Holy shit. You articulated yourself well but learn how to use paragraphs my man! That shit is eye poison ahaha.
@Chico_brah Yeah still have issues with that, I'm trying to remember to do that but I've been slacking.
by this logic it's justified that men don't have parental rights, because they didn't sacrifice via pregnancy and birth
@mistixs By your reasoning they would then not have to pay child support. But of course that's not the case is it? Also they really don't have parental rights, or reproductive rights now do they? And they are forced by law if the woman wishes it, to pay child support but they are not allowed to see the child unless the mother allows it so again, not unlike the selective services and the "rights"(are they really rights if you have to pay for them?) are just like that, you know where the responsibility falls on the man and the privilege squarely falls on the woman. But then you know that because we have had this discussion more times then I can count, you believe women should be allowed to do what they want when they want while men pay the price for it and get nothing not even the slightest bit of respect for what they do and sacrifice.
no, theyd have to pay child support if the woman wanted them to. even though they had no say in the matter.why? for the same reason that it'd apparently be "fair" if women lost the right to vote since theyre not drafted. women would still have to pay taxes and follow laws, which they had no say in
@mistixs What are you talking about? That is what I said that men pay child support irregardless of their feelings about the pregnancy, they have to contribute by law even though a woman can walk away a man cannot (because if a man walked away society would crumble). As for your other statement, that makes no sense. First and foremost your complaint is that women should have the right to vote but also to not be drafted because its unfair, but forcing those same rules on a man isn't unfair because why again? Vagina? That's a stupid argument, either both are held to the same standard or no one is held to any standard. Right now what your arguing, as you always do, is that women should be able to do what ever they want, have all the rights, all the privileges and absolutely none of the responsibilities, meanwhile you are arguing that men should have all the responsibilities, all the duties but none of the rights and none of the privilege. That's how privileged you and women are.
I agree that men should be able to relinquish parental responsibilities.What I'm saying is that if we go by what YOU are saying - that it'd be fair to if women lost the right to vote since theyre not drafted. women would still have to pay taxes and follow laws, which they had no say in - then YOU would also have to admit that it's fair that men lost the right to parental choice, since they don't experience pregnancy and birth, so they would still have to pay taxes & follow responsibilities that they had no say in creating.
@mistixs No I am saying that the women who scream that they are oppressed (like you) should either be expected to pay the same price (i. e. the true equality they claim to want) for their rights that men do OR they should relinquish their rights that are for men tied to that obligation. However sure, let women relinquish their rights to voting (and everything else I mentioned) if they don't go to war and let men lose their rights to their children if they are not willing to participate in raising them, that seems perfectly reasonable to me. But that's not what is happening is it? Currently women get all those rights with none of the responsibilities when it comes to voting/loans/license etc. while they get all the privileges of child rearing (being with their kids and getting paid for it through welfare and child support) while men get all the responsibilities (paying the taxes (they produce far more taxes then women do but women consume significantly more) child support)
@mistixs and none of the benefits (i. e. being allowed access to their children and be in their childs life). So its a moot point even if I had said what you claimed I said because that's not happening. Right now women have all the rights and all the privilege and men are second class citizens and have all the responsibilities and none of the privileges. So again, why make the claim? Also what would you say then about the draft? What would be fair and reasonable to you? Personally I think that if some one is demanding equality of genders in all ways as you and every other feminist says then you should be forced to eat your words and actually get the very thing you claim to want (because again, as I have pointed out numerous times, you don't actually want equality or equity, you want privilege and no responsibility).
"let men lose their rights to their children if they are not willing to participate in raising them"No, not simply that.In this case, even if they ARE willing to participate in raising them, the woman would be able to choose what he has to do, even though he has no say in the matter.Just like how, if women lose the right to vote, women will have to follow laws even though they have no say in the matter.
@mistixs Ass backwards. That is not what was stated and you know that so why pretend otherwise? I stated if she is unwilling to participate as men are forced to then she, like the men, should lose her rights. That's called equality, remember that the thing that you claim your for but not really because its really inconvient for you? I mean that's like saying he should have to do what a woman says even though he isn't allowed to participate in the childs life, which is how things are now (funny you would use that as your example of unfairness when its literally what is happening, its not hypothetical its fact). So yeah, completely ignoring my comments as usual so that you can try and argue why women should be able to do what they want and have all the rights and privilege while men get treated like second class citizens with no rights and all the responsibilities. Can we skip this, you do this so often its gotten quite old, either stick to what is said or don't comment.
"That is not what was stated"Except it literally was, and I quote myself:"if we go by what YOU are saying - that it'd be fair to if women lost the right to vote since theyre not drafted. women would still have to pay taxes and follow laws, which they had no say in - then YOU would also have to admit that it's fair that men lost the right to parental choice, since they don't experience pregnancy and birth, so they would still have to pay & follow responsibilities that they had no say in""theyd have to pay child support if the woman wanted them to. even though they had no say in the matter. why? for the same reason that it'd apparently be "fair" if women lost the right to vote since theyre not drafted. women would still have to pay taxes and follow laws, which they had no say in"
@mistixs So your counter argument is to take my statement out of context? I wasn't reffering to what you said but what I said. You misquoted me and twisted my words and I told you that is not what I said. If you are going to make an argument do it fairly or not at all because otherwise your just wasting my time. What you said is not logical why would women get to have all the rights and then men have none of them? My argument was if women do not wish to have the same responsibiilites as men they should not get the same rights as men. You then argued that men shouldn't have access to their children but should be allowed to make the man pay child support. I explained that this was irrational that if you argued that under my reasoning that if a man was unwilling to participate in his childs life he should not have access to them then yes that would make sense but that was not what you where arguing, again you argued that men should have the responsibility
@mistixs and women should have all the privilege which again is not logical. That was not what was argued, if it was I would have said women should have to go to war while men should not but men should have the right to vote and women shouldn't. This is what you where arguing not me so that was what my "that's not what was stated" remark was about, you ignoring everything I said and cominign up with some fantasy argument that made no logical sense.
@mistixs So again, claiming that since they have to pay taxes, which they pay a negative amount any way (men pay 200x more then women and women use the majority of it while men do not) is not an argument because again, if a man does not agree to be drafted he is forced to do just that, pay taxes and obey laws he has no say in. Meanwhile a woman pays taxes obeys laws (that are provably more leniant towards her then they are for men) while getting all the privileges of voting and taking out grants/loans from the government without having to be drafted. So your argument is literally its unfair to women because then they wouldn't get to have more privileges then men. Again, thats a pretty terrible argument.
Perform the same standards? I don't know about war, I just watched "saving private Ryan" and I think everyone is able to shoot, run and take cover... in combat it is rare to fight with no weapon against someone, and in that case... there are huge men and pretty small ones, they don't stand a chance either but they are sent anyway
Women in general have less upper-body strength than men. If a woman needs to carry a wounded 200+ lb comrade out of a battle zone or ends up in hand-to-hand combat, chances are, to put it bluntly, she's screwed. Combat includes much more than running and shooting; don't assume you know what it's like because you watched a movie.
I don't, that is why I am asking, but is not fair for men to have the burden of war while we don't
Women can help a war in many ways besides combat. I'll repeat; if a woman can meet the physical standards required for everyone else in combat roles, I have nothing against her serving. On the other hand, if a man cannot meet those same physical standards, he should not be put into a combat role. My main point is that we can't lower our standards to be fair; that will do nothing but harm
For some numbers, the typical combat load of a US soldier or Marine is often well over 100lbs. That amount of weight already causes a huge number of injuries (typically back, knees, neck, etc.) in male soldiers, and the male body is already built to withstand that more than the female body is.
Ok, you made your point, but if a woman meet the requierements (not lowered in the sake of "equality") shout she be forced into combat like men?
Since the average woman will not meet these standards, and it is impractical to search for those who do to force them into service, I'm going to say no as far as combat roles go. However, in a time of war, I believe they should be required to help in some way, whether it's a desk job, repair work, manufacturing, etc. All citizens should do their part.
That is extremely unfair with men physically able but willing to serve in any other way, because they are going to be forced into combat don't you think? If you want to be practical, force every god damn person in a gym and every athlete, because they are all above the average men... don't you think?
I meant men and women, because female athletes are physically able to be soldiers (I think... )
War isn't fair; I'm going to leave it at that. Drafts are random, and you have to prove that you are unfit for combat if you want to get out of it. If you draft women, you might get a few stronger-than-average athletes, but the vast majority will be average, college-aged girls who won't last five minutes in combat. You're 22; think of all of your female friends and classmates that are your age, and imagine sending them to a war zone. That's who you're sending if you draft women, and younger girls as well. War is Hell; it's not a place for ladies. There are better places they can help, where they'll make more of an impact, can actually keep up, and won't get killed.
Do you vote?
@Mysterioustruth Not yet. I will be 18 next year. But I definitely WILL vote.
@LatinTango0614 good then you should be drafted. You can't have privileges without responsibilities. You want the privileges you have to have the responsibilities too!
@Mysterioustruth Why should I be drafted? Because I am a woman and you want to throw me into war because I believe that women and men are not equal and that we were created differently? Women are not built for war. We can't beat guys in hand to hand combat (At least not most girls) and we can't carry heavy machine guns. We don't have the same endurance that men have. Now I realize that some women are an exception but those are the ones who are willing to serve. Like I said please don't be offended or angry at my opinion. Opinions are like belly buttons and everyone has one. My opinion is no better than yours.
Opinion is an opinion sure! But if someone told you the earth was flat, yeah sure it's an opinion but it's ridiculous. You have privileges, now you need to bear the responsibilities that come with it. When feminists were talking, we weren't hearing women like you. Where were you? Now it's official! Plus if you were a real non-hypocritical person you wouldn't vote. You'd have said I don't want to go to war so I won't vote. But you said you wanted to vote. So bring your tittes to war.
@Mysterioustruth It's my right as an American citizen to vote. Plenty of men choose not to enlist and vote, why am I any different? Because I have boobs? What year is this? Look. I have a full time job, that in itself is giving back to my country. That is my responsibility. I'm not like the blue haired feminists that sit on their couches and scream I HATE MEN as they wait for their next welfare check. I give back to my community. I do volunteer work. I give to the homeless. But that's not good enough. Because I am a woman, you want me to go out on the battlefield and get myself killed because I can't fight men. Thanks man. I appreciate it.
Are you stupid? You're saying "why am I any different because I have boobs?" Aren't you the same clown saying that women and men are different and that women shouldn't be drafted? Are you trying to play the equality double game on me? I'm telling you that privileges come with responsibilities. You don't get to cherry pic bitch. 2018 comming 1rst jan. If you're in the USA you'll have to register for the draft anyway. Do that and shut the fuck up.
@Mysterioustruth Wow you are rude. How come a man who has never served can vote and you don't blink an eye but because I am a woman who has never served you say I shouldn't vote? Have you served? Do you vote? I already told you I have responsibilities. Mine just doesn't include fighting. Because I am UNABLE to fight! If I was able to I would probably enlist on my own!The name calling is also uncalled for. You call me stupid yet I have a 4.0 GPA. Try and show a little respect for people.
I didn't call you stupid, I ask you if you were. Having a 4.0 GBA doesn't make intelligent. Education and intelligence are two different things.
Intelligence Is being able to comprehend things very simply. You seem to lack logic. I didn't say women should only vote when they fight wars. I was talking about then registering for the draft. Are you retarded? if you don't want to register for the draft don't vote, it's as simple as that. Men don't even have the choice.
@Mysterioustruth I am really sorry if my comment upset you. I didn't want to get into an argument. But it has been exceedingly rude of you to insult my intelligence, and my opinion. I do not want to be drafted, as I would be killed almost instantly. Is that so horrible? That I don't want to die? And here you are saying that I'm practically worthless. You don't even know me and yet you judge me. I simply believe that women were not made for war. That's why they have boxing, and then women's boxing. Because we are different and a woman can not defeat a man most of the time. I'm quite done talking with you.
I only judge you by your words. I asked you a question you answer and that was it. It okay if you don't wanna die, by you better respect men who have no choice but to.
@Mysterioustruth When did I insinuate that I didn't respect men? I respect everyone. Even you when you were calling me hurtful things. I absolutely love to meet people who have served. They are such awesome people. They have every ounce of respect I can muster.You can't judge me as a person based off of a few comments on one subject. That is completely unfair. I refuse to judge you as a person based off of your comments. I'm sure you are a very nice person despite you saying cruel things. Seriously though. I'm going to bed.
I can judge based off a few words if they reveal things about you. I never said that you don't respect men but I said you better. Goodnight!
Oh and if my partner was forced to go war... I would HATE my country.
I like my country for being liberal.
I think drafts are bad, but it's not much of a choice sometimes since a draft would happen if you are loosing a war that matters importantly, such as a Russian war and America is not going to be liberal with Trump Canada is liberal and it's shit not that Liberal people are shit though
They are humans too, so you think it is fair for them to be forced to go through that while we can stay safe at home? I am a peacekeeper, I hope our leaders avoid war at all costs, but if the time comes, do you think we must be excused because we are girls?
Nobody is for forceful submission. It's hard for us now to imagine a time with no choices, but that's essentially what occurred in the past. I think it's unwise for women to be drafted because our men count on us to carry their legacies through our families. You and your partner can't both jump out of the boat to save your child, otherwise your child dies alone on the boat.
It is not about wisdom, it's about fairness, because, wouldn't it be better if the weaker one jumps?
I'm sorry but life isn't fair. I used to hate that saying but as you get older it's less about the things you want and more about the suffering that you can't stop. Men and women suffer alike but not the same way. It is uniquely our burden to carry a child, it is the reason why they require us more during their first few years biologically (breast feeding). So it is uniquely our burden to have seen our men die in combat just as it is uniquely their burden to have experienced it first hand.
Time for equality. Women should be doing their share of the dying. "our men count on us to carry their legacies through our families"LOL. Yeah, you mean he's counting on her to carry on someone else's legacy, through the kid she conceived when she cheated on him.No, it's high time women got their asses to the front and earned the rights and privileges they've had for millennia. Maybe then they'll actually start being grateful for everything men have done for them.And maybe, when those flag-draped boxes start coming home with cupcakes in them instead of just expendable men, the political class will think twice about flexing our military muscle at every two-bit, tinpot dictator that comes along. MAYBE we'll only get involved in wars where the threat is to the US, not the profit/loss statements of the banksters.Maybe.
I haven't seen "Hacksaw Ridge", but I have seen "The Pacific" and I'd think that could just as easily replace "Hacksaw Ridge" in your post. Holy shit... I can't watch most of it without being angered and disgusted by how expendable men are considered by society and women. You've got thousands of men being killed and maimed in the most horrific ways possible, meanwhile "their" girl is back home spreading for someone else. Fuck that. Fuck it in its face.
@OjosOscuros2 So, equality when it's convenient for you but not when things get ugly. Nice...Some women are real hypocrites.
@backdoorman Some? No, sir. ALL.It's a FEATURE, not a bug.
@Barrabus_the_Free Nah, I disagree. I do think there is a lot of hypocrisy among women when it comes to gender related issues, but I also know a lot of women who are very down to earth and not hypocritical. But Ms OjosOscuros2 is certainly not one of them.
You really are a coward, you know that? You can talk about the pain of loss and w/e but the reality is you're just afraid to get out there and get your hands dirty. There's a such thing as combat snipers, combat medics, guerrilla fighters, plenty of ways for you to fight. But no you rather just hide at home, because you feel the need to "Carry on his legacy". Please you're the kind of woman who would shame a man into fighting in a war and then immediately go and hook up with someone else. Because surely somewhere in the depths of your heart, you're the kind of woman who believes all men are expendable aren't you?
Woah all these crazy men came out of the woodworks at once, how strange 🤔. See what you started OP. You folks have some nerve assuming things about me without knowing me. First of all, I don't believe men and women are the same nor should they be treated the same. Y'all are seriously twisted mentally and I'm sorry that a feminist woman hurt you so much to the point where you take it out on an innocent online stranger. Keep on trolling though, you'll probably never get what you want in life with that attitude. Meanwhile real men are fighting battles and owning up to their mistakes. ✌🏽
@backdoorman no I don't care for nor demand equality. You must have me confused for your entitled mother or sister.
Well at least it's nice to know you're ok with being a weakling.
@Malik00 I actually just answered one of your questions about being straight forward where you said you don't come off as rude. I said I don't mind at all when men are honest because that's what made me trust my husband. But anyway, if this is really how you talk to women then yes this is huge turn off. Absolutely disrespectful. Your concept of a coward is trying to compare me to the same standards as men but I don't want to be a man. Men are built stronger than women. It's written everywhere that women are the weaker sex. I accept that, because that is reality. Women have their own strengths by being more feminine and taking care of the household and child rearing. I don't know if you've met any widows by the way, my mother in law is, and she is no coward sir.
If what all these men said to you is crazy? You're sick and women like you should be thrown out of civilization. Why? Because this is a man's world and after all we've accomplished, for you to open your filthy mouth calling them crazy, you're an ungrateful cunt who doesn't deserve to live. You should be dead in the place of all the men who died for us. With all the smart thing they said you couldn't come up with something smart to save yourself. Instead you're calling these men crazy.
@mysterioustruth you sound like you'll fit right in with ISIS...
If you're really ok with that, then that's on you. Personally I could never respect a woman who feels she needs to be protected. Just because you are a woman does not make you weak, and the sooner you realize this the better off you will be.
@Malik00 I don't need to be protected because I don't make stupid choices. I'm pretty confident in my own strengths. That's why an honest man doesn't bother me.
Tch... maybe this is why i always preferred girls with tomboyish personalities.
@OjosOscuros2 with that big mouth of yours, you deserve to be in the front line.
@Mysterioustruth Just stop it... you're not helping
@mysterioustruth yeah you'd make a great commander. Good luck with ISIS.
@Malik00 it's okay, I'm having fun defending myself
@Malik00 Why are turning on me, what your problem? You want beef with me?
Well women from January 1rst 2018 will have to register for the draft. I'll be the commander you'll be on the front line hahaha.
@Malik00 Men like you think you'll get laid by defending women but you're the last thing women want.
@Mysterioustruth I just can't stand when fools prove others right. Why don't you calm down and think things through as opposed to just lashing out in a blind resentful rage?
@Mysterioustruth Defending her? I couldn't disagree more with her. but your childish tantrums isn't helping.
@Malik00 Are you stupid? You're calling this a blind resentful rage. I wrote a whole paragraph explaining facts, all I said was cunts like her deserve to be in the frontline. What are you trying to do here? You're trying to act smart? You're an idiot, and men like you are the reason feminists have gone thus far. You better shut the fuck up before I make.
@Mysterioustruth You make what bitch? What the hell is a tiny little shell of a man like you gonna do to me?
@Malik00 You're a clown who thinks he's gonna get laid by turning on another guy. Stupid clown. What I hate more than feminism is men like you.
@Malik00 You're a stupid bitch acting all tough on the internet in real life your just a little bitch.
@Mysterioustruth... you honestly think im a white knight... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!Oh my god if you weren't so much of a joke, I would honestly feel sorry for you.You know what fine, I gave you fair warning and you turned me away. Don't come crying to me when you become a total laughing stock. Frankly I'm not even telling you to be respectful, but at least try to get an I. Q that's within the triple digits so i can actually have an interesting conversation.
@OjosOscuros2 Why'd you follow me hoe?
😂. Okay guys this is utter chaos. @mysterioustruth i didn't mean to, my finger slipped while I was scrolling through your hateful answers. Just needed to see further proof that you belong in ISIS.
@OjosOscuros2 You're retarded.
@mysterioustruth nah, i don't dare stoop to your level... the way you talk I'm positive you weren't raised by a real woman so I can't blame you really
I don't respect anybody who don't have respect for me. I respect people regardless of there gender. However I don't respect bitches like you. Unfollow me now dumb bitch.
@mysterioustruth I'm sure you like to think that but I can see all your comments and I beg to differ. Besides I never insulted you personally when it was you who decided to attack me 🤔 so that right there is proof of your lies. I will not unfollow you until you apologize and ask nicely. If you cannot do that then I challenge you to simply block me. I don't care enough about you to learn how to unfollow.
Insulting those men was like an insult to me since they had real facts talking about how men die in wars and you called them crazy men. That's a huge disrespect to all men. I'm simply putting you in your lane. To unfollow all you do is press the same button you press to follow me. As for blocking, I leave that for women.
@mysterioustruth I'm sorry but what facts where those again? I must have overlooked them in the middle of the guys accusing me of being an adulterer, a coward, and a hypocrite. Names and assumptions I assume a man like yourself wouldn't take too kind to. Exhibit A: your reaction with @Malik00 above. Let me rephrase what I really meant " I don't care enough about you to actually give you the pleasure of having me unfollow you."
I don't have time for brainless women like you Goodnight!
@mysterioustruth says a man, no a child, who has no rebuttal when he can't admit he's wrong. I really hope I struck a nerve with that one. Bye Felicia 👋🏽
It's way worse than hacksaw ridge, i know people who have slept among rotting bodies for weeks, at times some soldiers lost it and just walked into oncoming fire but not a single woman in those units ever lost it and there were lots of women.
@TonnyStryder that never happened in America. And one could argue that perhaps the men took it so much harder after seeing women go through that. I mean no offense, but America has a better army for a reason. It was made up of all men.
While that may be true about American soldiers, they are also some of the softest soldiers out there, without technology they would lose most wars, Vietnam 67, Somalia 94, takes very little to traumatize US troops. And the other thing It's hard not to take anything hard when everyone who had family knew they were almost certainly dead, they killed them by bashing their heads in with hoes while asking the remainders where their family member was. Everyone was carrying baggage and stress, they ate wild animals, then drought hit and they ate the bones, then the skin, no US soldier would stay sane under such conditions, a seal team once had to call in help because they got stuck in mud in a marsh in south America. Research does show that women have more patience so that could be why.
@TonnyStryder yes that's true, we do have a lot of technology and it's hard not to suck when you pump as much money and resources as we do. And I do agree that women tend to have more patience, which I see as a strength and why they are more useful as nurses and other support roles for males in the military. I can see it come in handy on the battlefield but you have to ask yourself if that is a quality worth sacrificing for other more important qualities that men are naturally better than us. Like others have said, there are rigorous testing that women cannot naturally pass in order to be as effective in combat as men. I'm not basing my opinions on emotions, unlike women who like to complain about not being included in something. I'm basing it on facts, research, and listening to men who've actually served. Anyway, the draft was only needed when the government wanted more manpower in the front lines. It's probably not necessary at this point so there is no use crying about it.
@TonnyStryder thank you for being respectful by the way...
Mind if i ask you a question, and with any hope this will shine some light on my view points.So you and your boyfriend are going about minding your own business having fun, when suddenly you're attacked, and the attacker means to kill both of you. The boyfriend holds him off telling you to run, now here's the problem. The man has a gun in his hands and is slowly overpowering your boyfriend. However you notice that in the confusion, the guys gun is exposed and he is in no position to get it while wrestling with your boyfriend. For whatever reason he didn't think to pull it out at the start, likely to get the jump on you without drawing too much attention.So what do you do?
@Malik00 If this happens just as you describe then it would be would be more realistic for me to take the gun at that time and point it towards the dude, which will hopefully make him release my husband. But having had no training with a gun I wouldn't shoot it because I'd be scared to shoot my husband accidentally with it. If just pointing it doesn't work then I would probably try hitting him with it. But again, this is all if this happens as you described. Coincidentally, we had a situation while on vacation where two men approached us, seemingly making friendly conversation. My husband kept on walking and I was stunned at how rude he was being. He said they had a switchblade and they were out to rob us, not be friendly. So that right there tells you I don't notice things very well and don't have an immediate instinct for danger like he does. Two very important qualities that I assume are vital for combat.
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because of 'Murica
your clearly brainwashed and biased ; check the pershmerga kurds on the syrian iraqui war against ISIS ; their women fight and do great ; radical muslims actually fear beeing killed by a woman cause it means they won't go to heaven... those women have won plenty of fights and its not surprising that they are the faction that had the most success on the terrain till now... just saying
@SENSEI I've actually been in the Marine Corps. Don't you think real life training experience is a little more credible than something you read on the internet? Just saying.
Seriously if I were to ever get drafted into battle I feel sorry for the poor bastards that would have to have my back and then carry my body because I wouldn't last one day.
Lol right though? Some guy told me I shouldn't vote unless I've been in war. I have 0 muscle. It would take one punch to kill me probably 😂
@LatinTango0614 And has the guy that said that ever been to war? My guess is no.
I never said don't vote if you've never been to war, I said you shouldn't vote if you don't want to register for the draft.
@LatinTango0614 you were complaining about feminists well, feminists have gotten you the right to vote which is a previlege. It's unfair to not want to be drafted which is a responsibility but want the privileges. That's what I'm saying. If can't understand that, you're no better than a dog.
I will also do so, even if I'm not required, it is just stupid to compel people to do die for something they don't think is worth...
If you don't think your country is worth dying for, why would you risk dying trying to defeat the government so you can continue to live there without any obligation, rather than moving somewhere else? It doesn't make any sense, and it's an insult to everyone who has ever served our country in the military, willingly or not.
@анучикибрики There's a difference between fighting for your liberty and your very life, and fighting to enrich the banksters and political class.Rebelling against a draft is the former. Getting sent to die in some desert shithole, in a war that nobody wants, is the latter.I'm a veteran, and there's no way in fuck I'd wear this cuntry's uniform again. IDGAF about the circumstances. But if they try to force me to, they'd discover right quick that I haven't let my skills get completely rusty.
@Barrabus_the_Free I do agree with you to a certain extent. I was imagining a situation where a draft was necessary to actually defend our country and our liberty; I don't think anyone should be forced to go fight and take over countries in the Middle East so we can get rich of their oil. In a tyrannical state, where we have already lost all freedom, then I agree that it would be about time for a rebellion; however, we should defend our freedom while we still have it.
great comment lol, exactly my thoughts when i saw the question sir
True about the first part, but have you actually thought that there are 3 times more women in this earth than men? Not saying men should have an out, but since women want to be equal to everything with men, let them so.
Not just women who are willing, all women! Don't twist things up.
@Mysterioustruth you stop twisting my words
Does it take too much to fire a gun and keep on with the pace of the combat unit? I don't think so...
And that is not all it takes to serve in the military. A soldier has to have considerable strength and endurance beyond what most people appreciate. The US even did studies comparing the effectiveness of gender-mixed units and all-male units, and the gender-mixed units were less effective and slower by almost every metric they tested. Women also sustained injuries at a higher rate due to the immense stress it places on the body.
It's not just firing a weapon. There's the matter of carrying your body weight or more in weapon, body armor, helmet, gear, ruck, ammo, water, chow, and 'extra' shit (comm wire, medical supplies, tools like battering ram or bolt cutters, belted machinegun ammo, mortar rounds, etc). Keeping the pace alone is too much for most women. We were on a field op once, down by Camp Las Flores on Camp Pendelton (between Las Flores and Las Pulgas, IIRC). We saw some POGs doing a unit run. Their little unit was stretched out about a mile or so. So, us being grunts, we naturally started talking all kinds of shit. Calling them pussies, weak little bitches, telling them not to leave members of their unit behind, all the good stuff. When they got closer, we saw that the group was about half female. And ONE female was keeping up with her unit. The rest were part of the line that was strung out for a mile. On a nice, easy, short run.
Yes and I'm happy about that.
I don't think that is true unless we have ww3
@Danher525 Its a mandatory thing. Just as men have to sign up for the draft once they hit 18. So soon will women.
oh, sorry I misread your comment thought you meant there will be a war in 2018
@Danher525 Lmao, with things going as they are. Who knows. There might be.
we'll have to wait and see :D
With that mentality it also the same in giving women what they missed out on, which is a lot of an advantage over men.
@Mickey712 English, cupcake! Do you speak it?s2.quickmeme.com/.../...f952461ad6ab2e41992576.jpg
Did you attend biology "Barranus the Free"
@Hidden_P Wow. You are funny. Like, really, really funny. Like Amy Schumer funny. Oh wait...We can't let a little thing like biology stand in the way of equality. You wanted it, I say we give it to you. Nice and hard. Every last little bit. We should give you so much equality you'll be BEGGING to go back to the time when women had privileges but no responsibilities other than "Don't be a bitch and don't cheat" (and yet they still managed to cheat every chance they got).
Also can I ask who the fuck hurt you because you seem to have a negative vibe when talking about women...
Please don't compare me to that disgrace.I believe women should fight, however, by "evening the odds" and sending all women to war and leaving the men to knit and sew the uniforms there is the little problem of what happens if they all die.As much as you might like banging dudes, women play a crucial role in something you've come across - PREGNANCY. It's when a man and a woman have a special cuddle and a baby is born. It's something only born men and women can do naturally together. Smashing a booty won't help.Less men is needed because more men results in inbreeding. All men results in gay sex and no children.Glad I could help educate you this evening.
@Hidden_P No shit. I know you think your ability to smugly talk down to someone might make you look superior, but it doesn't. There are more than enough people in the world. So some of the incubators get killed... so what? Like there aren't 3.5 billion of them right now, eh? What's a loss of ten or fifteen thousand?I won't compare you to Schumer if you'll act like an adult for a few minutes, rather than a spoiled, entitled cupcake. Maybe see the point that I'm using sarcasm and irony to make (or attempting to, rather, since it seems you're missing it). Do you want equality, or do you want special privileges? You can't have it both ways. The leftists and feminazis (but I repeat myself) are seeing to that. I'm actually against women in combat. Not just combat, but in the military AT ALL. I've seen firsthand the problems they cause, and how they degrade unit readiness. But the feminazis pushed for it, so now you've got it.You want equality, let's go with ACTUAL equality.
@Mickey712 Don't say 'women'? What. The. Actual. Fuck.What would you prefer? Twats? Cunts? Gashes? Split-tails? Tuna tunnels? Twatmonsters?
Twatmonsters? lol I need to leave the room before I wake my husband up.
Didn't mean to get personal lol you just really know how to flip my shit. Not a good quality.
@Mickey712 Good thing I'm not debating then, just getting the cupcakes riled up.
Honestly fuck off
I never spoke smugly to you. I talked to you like an idiot because you are acting like one. You aren't coming across sarcastic, you are coming across moronic. I'm acting like an adult, you are the one being almighty."What's ten or fifteen thousand?" Try being a parent, or a sibling and one of those being one of them. It's fucking horrible.Where did I mention my personal view? I only shared the biological view (which is the original reason women weren't sent to war). Secondly if you are so against it, why in your original statement did you say "at least 75% of draftees" should be women? See how you are coming across moronic?
You know exactly what you're doing
@Mickey712 Yes. I'm having fun, getting the cupcakes all a-lather. Would you like your goat back?
What the fuck does that even mean.. Might erupt
@Mickey712 You've never heard the saying someone "got your goat"?
No why do you keep calling me a damn cupcake what does that refer to
@Mickey712 LOL. It's a term of endearment. Like honey, sweetie, etc. I use it sarcastically. It goes over a lot better to say "cupcakes" than to say cunts, bitches, twatmonsters, etc.
Being almost 10 years older than Mickey I've never heard of being called "cupcake" other than a relationship battle of bullshit names of "honey, sweetie, pastry, cupcake, pork pie" etc. Not a generic term. Never have I heard of someone "getting my goat". Then again I'm not from the ghetto, Twatmuffin.
You're not too pleasant yourself...🖕🖕
Mickey... I'm on your side..:.
@Hidden_P don't fucking talk to me
more women have died in childbirth than men in war historically news.harvard.edu/.../so that would only be equality if men were to make up the next millions of childbirth deaths. don't say its impossible: www.yahoo.com/.../...n-wombs-1302360099545142.html
"not enough men giving birth to their country!!!"
lol i love how he couldnt manage to come up with an adequate answer to this
i mean, of course we should have men make up the next millions of childbirth deaths. just like it's now technologically possible for women to go to war, it's now technologically possible for men to give birth. jand of course, as you yourself said,"We can't let a little thing like biology stand in the way of equality. '
why woudl you be pissed if only men are drafted?
Because that's not equality?
Personally, I don't understand that reasoning, but ok. It would be dumb of them not to include women
Fuck that.Equality. They wanted it, they get it. Men have done more than enough dying for the banksters. It's time the women carried their fair share of the load.
@Barrabus_the_Free but that would mean a weaker unit. that doesn't help any...
Give them their own units, composed entirely of female draftees.
There are some women that don't have enough rights as men though
@KNDA17 who? Bitches from other countries that don't matter to this country? From what I see women here are privelaged in every way.
I would agree on putting women on the front lines and other things, but why wouldn't many already be? Because they weren't seen as smart as men, etc. men would usually think "she has no idea on what she's talking about" like for example, cars. Now not every man is like this, and not every women has equal rights like latinas, they learn less then white women as well, for a apparent reason. :/
@KNDA17 that's not it... Y'all bitches don't get that society protects you and its been that way since feminism was established so you can thank feminists for being treated that way and not men. I think women are stupid for not seeing it like that because all you guys want to do is blame people for your problems instead of blaming yourself for your mistakes
For what mistakes exactly? Everyone makes mistakes and some part of society does protect feminists, but there's a part that's hasn't before day 1. Just how you're calling them "bitches". Not all feminists are bitches you know, it's like saying all men are horny bastards.
@KNDA17 all men are horney bastards you think a man can go long without wanting sex at all? All your mistakes... And yes they are bitches because you women are already over privelaged as it goes... You women can get in an argument with a man, beat the shit out of him until he defends himself and pushes you off him, and call the cops on him for pushing you even though you would deserve to pushed and the man would go to jail and you women get away Scott free while the man faces domestic violence crimes... You don't think this shit is true? And this is just one example you guys got millions of things going for you while us men have to scrounge and suffer for what? Mistakes that some butthurt men did along time ago... Tha fuck ever
I totally agree with you on this point, but I'm just saying that African American, Hispanic, etc women aren't as privileged and yeah women who do that should be called that, but you know some feminists actually would want to respect men and be responsible for their decisions. And yeah I know that every man is going to think about it, but I'm talking about the ones that make it physical, which is not what all men would do
@KNDA17 women are privileged in almost any sense possible. You dont have to sign up for a draft to vote, you dont have to sign up for a draft to get a loan for college. you can just say ''im a women'' and they wouldn't force you to write your name on a draft that may go into effect one day. Also, you are not the ones who are being circumcised at birth, you are not the one who has no homeless shelter or domestic abuse programs, you are not the one who is a veteran who came home and is forced to be homeless because his country does not care about him. You should count your blessings.
@KNDA17 people are stuck where they are because of their own work ethic... Society has classes for a reason to keep people where they are at... Lol Wayne is black. Alesha keys is black. Jenefer Lopez is Hispanic they all made millions its all work ethic and not giving up I'm half black and my moms black but I make currently 60k a year but started by living in a car... It all work ethic and I'm not done yet until I'm making 13m+ a year
Problematic how? Care to elaborate?
@GingerGuy Read my post here. I am too lazy to copy&paste it now.www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q1807659-women-no-longer-banned-from-any-combat-role-in-the-us-military-agree
the women in the Israeli army beg to differ xD
@BertMacklinFBI I really don't care what they have to say. Fact is that men are more capable and have a higher performance ceiling and that women are a potential distraction and additional risk. Israel surely has its reasons to also hire women (probably because they need additional manpower in their army), but that doesn't make it the most efficient choice.
doesn't matter what they have to say, they're just fucking hot s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/.../...173a7d8969.jpg
Legally in America girls don't get drafted, only men must die for our country and we can enjoy the freedom earned from their deaths :D
Oh sorry. I live in the U. S. and yeah here the draft now applies to both men and women.
No it doesn't, I live in Belgium but I watched closely as that proposal was dropped by the congress or something like that... (I'm no politician)
We should impose quotas just like we have for other jobs so women can have equality.
@Mysterioustruth I don't believe in quotas
Yeah but you benefit from it. Where you protesting when women were having special quotas on jobs?
@Mysterioustruth what year did that start?
It's been here for maybe a couple of years but where you protesting? That's not the only benefit though.
@Mysterioustruth Well I was probably just a kid then.
We should have quotas just like we do for certain jobs to allow women therein.
@Mysterioustruth The thing is we don't want to put women in jobs they're not physically up for. So a quota's no good if most women can't meet the physical standards.
Quotas mean, they disregard men because they have a penis. So we can disregard men and add more weaker women. We can also have women do other things.