That's been the attitude for a while, unfortunately it's not a matter of them speaking they deliberately set out to assault people usually by ganging up on them, nobody is stopping them from marching or protesting but they turn up at other groups rallys or protests to do violence usually the police let them do what They want. They don't want a conversation they want to silence free speech so only they have the right to speak.They are comparable to Nazi brownshirts and Fascist blackshirts assaulting their political opponents, burning down businesses, shutting down free speech, scapegoating specific races and groups, protesting democracy and rioting against the results of democratic elections.
Oh, agreed. As soon as they stop being peaceful, the police have my permission to step in and put a stop to it. Part of the problem is that they *want* a confrontation. When stickman or someone else gives them an audience they do what they came to do - cause a disruption or violence.I wish the police didn't just stand aside when these protests get ugly. I know that a lot of mayors in Calif cities tell the police to just step aside and let the liberal kids do as they please. That's wrong on all levels.
Stickman is just a response. As they found out on Sunday assaulting people isn't as fun when your intended victim fights back.https://i.imgur.com/uaQSQtP.gifAntifa show up to disrupt any event from guest lecturers to Anti war protests to republican conventions the more they are tolerated the worse they get, appeasement makes them braver and more violent.
You are totally and completely misinformed about which side is starting the violence, and yes, it does matter.
@Bananaman177 If you're referring to me, I didn't say that one side always starts it. According to the videos, it could be either. Both points of view line up in helmets expecting trouble when they go to what should be a peaceful demonstration. It's all stupid. Antifa shows up to disrupt other people's rallies, and when Antifa stages one, other people show up to make sure there's trouble.Please, elaborate on what you said if I still seem misinformed.
The Patriots were wearing helmets because Antifa throw rocks and carry weapons. Bringing protection is something that the've learned the hard way through a year of peaceful protests and gatherings and vicious attacks resulting in head injuries. The Patriots are prepared but Antifa are looking for a fight. Pacifism doesn't work if the other guy wants to do violence on you.
I'm afraid it's pretty clear that one side always DOES start it, and that side is always the left, the liberals, the commies, antifa, anti-Trump, whatever you want to call them, they're the side that always come looking to provoke violence and cause chaos and disrupt free speech they disagree with. People on the right/conservatives/Trump supporters/whatever always come ready to finish the fight, never to start it. But we all know that our opposition WILL try to start it, they WILL leave their points and their arguments at home, they WILL bring weapons and bully tactics instead, because they are mental toddlers, and emotional thinkers, and they can't be reasoned out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. And you can say, "oh, I'm sure you're biased, I'm sure you want to paint your side as good and the other side as bad, really both sides are the same..."Go to one of these rallies and see for yourself which side is the violent, howling mob.
Helmets and shields and armor are purely defensive, and among offensive weapons, the long stick is widely considered mostly a defensive weapon, used for fighting off multiple attackers, keeping people at range, and for blocking incoming strikes. Now you take a look at the left, they always bring the rocks and bottles and knives and weighted gloves and things of that nature, purely offensive weapons, and usually used from a distance so they can give somebody a concussion and then run away giggling about it and not have to worry about retaliation or getting caught. They also like to fight in large human walls, so a whole bunch of them can all crash into a smaller group of people, bowl them over, trample them, kick and stomp on them, and then all disperse and melt back into the crowd before a counterattack can be organized. Very popular tactic, they read about all these tricks in their communist revolutionary manuals. Little juvenile delinquents who don't even care about politics.
@Bananaman177 that's exactly it though superior tactics won the day at Berkley. www.returnofkings.com/.../5-more-ancient-tactics-for-modern-combat
Love Return of Kings.
@Bananaman177 I got the impression as well, that it was always the Antifa people who come to start fights. To the credit of the pro-Trump supporters they've gotten smart and at least come prepared to defend themselves rather then just stop rallying (Antifa wants the pro-government supporters to stop talking). I'd still prefer that the police took care of the unlawful acts so that we didn't have street brawls between vigilantes.I'm not a Mother Jones reader normally but as a result of responding here, someone emailed me this link. I found it an interesting read. An MJ reporter went undercover at one of these clashes and the description of what happened is really clear and disturbing.www.motherjones.com/.../far-right-white-supremacists-berkeley-protests-antifa-trump
Calling Trumpvsupporters "pro-government" is quite a stretch, when we elected him specifically to dismantle the two-party dictatorship.The GOP fought tooth and nail to give the nomination to Jeb and then Rubio and then Cruz, anybody but Trump. They fight harder against Trump than the Democrats do. And that's not a joke, look at the Colorado Republican Primary. We never voted, there was no vote, but they used some new by-law to give all our delegates to Cruz. They cancelled the vote, but not the vote counting.
Fake news. Another false flag operation by antifa.
Guys like base stick man are doing what they do because the police aren't doing their job. We've had over a year of people being assaulted and political rallies broken up while the police did nothing. If the police do nothing then people have no choice but self defence.
.. and society takes another step towards social unrest.If the police is not doing their job the solution is not, and never will be to take matters into your own hands in these cases. All you are doing is making things worse. If you want an example of something that actually works and has proven that it works you should look towards the civil rights movements back in the 1950's. People dont remember the vigilantes for a reason but they DO remember unity and pacifism. That is how you get something done.
Or look back to Germany and italy in 20's $30's where national socialists and fascists were allowed to beat people up in the street, riot against democratic elections, assault political rivals, storm their opponents rallies, burn down businesses, use propaganda to slander their opponents and bully local governments. Tolerance of these Antifa facisists have only made them stronger and bolder, unless ordinary people stand up to them they will get worse.
... You do realize that it was actually the people who were the fascists back there and that was a splendid case of vigilante justice right?
Self defence and freedom from assault is a basic human right.
And your point is?
My point is appeasing human rights violators doesn't work out well.
So your solution is to not address the problem and to actively make it worse? What is that supposed to accomplish? Some feelings of satisfaction derived from vengeance perhaps?
We maintain the moral and legal high-ground. This does not mean pulling our punches, or bending over whenever somebody whines about hurt feelings – but it does mean that we eschew the barbaric tactics which our leftist enemies embrace. This is the fight for civilization, and if we stoop to our enemy’s level then even if the battle is won, the war will be lost. Let them be the initiators, let them be the vandals; if you simply stand your ground, and maintain a confident composure, it is all but guaranteed that they will lash out.Remember: these are the infantilized refuse of a collapsing civilization. There’s no need for you to initiate anything; the mere fact that you’re carrying yourself with confidence and giving voice to ‘hate facts’ will be more than enough to throw them into a frenzy.Pacifism only works when everyone is a pacifist.
So your defense for why you want to ruin your own country is that you got the "moral and legal high ground". I got to ask this.. are you insane? Also pacifism always works, its just a matter of how much you are willing to pay for it.
It worked at autwitz
It is imperative that we take back our civilization from the subversive elements that would destroy it, and that we stand prepared to defend our rights, but we must also remember the responsibilities that go along with those rights. Your responsibility to administer first aid to all of the fallen once the melee is past. Your responsibility not to maim or kill when subduing will suffice. And your responsibility to stand for something higher than ‘Might Makes Right’.Go out there courageously, and go out there righteously, men of the West. Stay calm, collected, and cool, and stay faithful to your brothers in arms. The times they are a-changing.
So what? You want to turn your country into Syria or want Natzi Germany to turn into Syria.. because this is how you turn into Syria.
Antifa hasn't the stomach for the fight
When reading things like this I really wish I was an alien looking down on Earth so I could go "Fucking idiots" and fly off to a more civilized part of the galaxy.
America is not Sweeden yethttps://youtu.be/XcjcpKY0hpo
True. Its a long way up until you can touch the shoelaces of Sweden.az616578.vo.msecnd.net/.../...al.imgopt1000x70.jpg
Whenever that kid starts gang raping women let me know
You mean like these guys?s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/.../...93a8a7ada6.jpgOr perhaps these?www.ips-dc.org/.../Prison-Picture-815x610.jpgOr perhaps Him?www.someonesbones.com/.../Trump1-1.jpg
You mean heroes who protect their country from terrorists and gang rapists. Very few on the ground in sweeden-is-stan
At this point I got to assume that you have no idea how big of an issue sexual harassment and rape is inside the US army. Its not really a virtuous group of morally incorruptible heroes.. In fact I can probably dig up statistics that shows rape inside the US army being much much higher then immigrants in Sweden.
There are no real immigrant statistics in Sweden.
I am assuming you are talking about how the Swedish government does not compile statistics based on your immigration status? Aside from that being highly misleading it also makes absolutely no sense since you can (and others have) compile your own if you want to.
Just a quick question. Do you know the difference between a rape statistic and a rape survey is?
Depends on who is doing them
No it does not. They are completely different in fundamental ways. You have absolutely no idea do you?
Yes it does
I see. Well I guess this ends our conversation because I dont see any more value in talking to someone that is so grossly uninformed as you are. Also for your information:A statistic is made up of known data and does not necessarily represent the whole of reality.A survey is a collection of random data with which you can estimate the whole of the unknown reality.As such statistics can be extremely biased depending on how much data they gather and what factors might prevent certain data from being gathered while Surveys makes relatively to extremely accurate predictions to things we can't even see based on the size of the survey.An example: Rape statistics only record those that are directly identified and does not include those that are never reported while Surveys can make accurate estimates of exactly how many people has been raped without ever asking everyone.
Political bias affects statistics. To show whatever those that commissioned it wants to show.
Oh my god you are an idiot aren't you? Statistics is a branch of mathematics.. Its a science. The one who wants to make it political is YOU.
The science is fine, it's the human element that's the problem. You can't successfully account for unique individuals.
If you can calculate the number of stars in the universe when you can only see approximately 10% of it you can count a few "unique" humans.
The stars in the sky are predictable humans are not. Science is logical humans are not.
The stars in the sky is far less predictable then humans and we actually know fairly little about them... as opposed to humans which we have abundance of examples of all around us for studying.
far more predictable*Anyway I am done with you. Have a good day.. I guess.
The stars in the sky are constant. The same stars will be in the same sky tommorow long after you die.
Some of Antifa do maybe but many want just an excuse to hurt others.
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All i know is that they behave like nazi stormtroopers, use facisist tactics and dresss in black just like facists
Okay. For starters, you need to learn your history. Secondly, define "fascist tactics". And thirdly, you -really- need to learn your history.How can someone so militant about fascism know so little about it? Next I'll bet you'll say Hitler was a socialist.
@K_See Hitler definitively was a socialist. Anti-free speech, expropriation of private property, collectivist speech, taking away people's weapons so they can't form an armed uprising, cult of the leader, manipulation of the masses, hunting adversaries, state intervention in economy leading to corporatism... This is incompatible with the right-wing at every level, so unless you want to tell me Hitler and nazism are part of a 3rd way that doesn't fit the definition of left and right, or that Hitler was some kind of dictatorial centrist, presuming you can and will explain why he fits any of those definitions, yeah, Hitler's ideology still closely reminds socialism. Difference is, nazis are generally more honest. They dont pretend to be loving and compassionate when they want to steal or kill someone.
@RedHood7 yeah it's in the name "National Socialism"
Some people insist on denying the socialism part. I understand why but I dont see the point. The regular socialists already killed much more than nazis and are much worse. The antifa are nothing but crying babies who never learned not to receuve a NO as answer and now are the dictator prototypes of this generation. You know what's funny? The right treats the left as stupid, the left treats the right as monsters. It's time we stop pretending the left isn't a problem. It is the single biggest problem in the planet. The US has enormous potential for fighting back but somehow never does. It is good to see people waking up, but that ain't gonna cut it.
@RedHood7 the leftists need to be smashed in the streets. Most are privledged white looking to rebel and for a trill.
People have the right to defend themselves especially if the police will only stand by.
Against the government yes otherwise you're supposed to run from trouble as well as you can. Only when you are cornered is self defense legal. At least in my country bit i would imagine america has something of the sort.
We have stand your ground. Running away means getting chased and beaten, that's what's been happening all year.
yes bu thats also what is legal if you dont have pepper spray or very lenient self defense laws
Sounds like the laws of your country favor the attacker not the victim. For the last year people have avoided confronting Antifa but it's only made them braver and more violent.
Maybe, but the attacker will still be prosecuted. Self-defense is allowed but the judge chooses wether the amount of force was justified.
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