you are too young and stupid to know the intricacies and measures that are needed to invade with ground troops, its also a political battlefield and the west cannot just do as it pleases without considering how it will affect the region long term and how it affects other countries in the region and their interests. Of course ISIS should be eliminated but if it where so simply as to use ground troops it would have been done already, then of course there are hidden agendas behind the war that slows every step down, but my point is a young girl who isn't even part of the army and doesn't have forced conscription really shouldn't talk about war and infantry and what they should or shouldn't do.
@justkidding93 thanks for calling me stupid and also saying young people don't understand anything. Very generalizing&mature of you.I actually know quite a bit about the army since I've been taught that at school and have met and spoke with several veterans. I'm sure it works differently everywhere but in my country the only reason we're not sending troops is literally the weak ass politics. I seriously doubt syrian people would mind army guys protecting them and their homes, or what is left of them, instead of being bombed because there are isis people in their village.
I am from syria and as you can see I speak English so do you want to hear me out or what?
@justkidding93 See, I hate when someone uses their age to back up their argument. its pathetic. "youre too young so that means you're stupid and dont understand anything, i say this because a 16 year old knows more than i do and this wounds my ego."
@Namay I would love to hear any opinion you have on the subject or any comment you have on what I said.
the thing that I feel sad about is that people act as if they know my religion but in reality they know the religion of the people in the TV my religion is in the quran not on TV it is just like saying you are a doctor but all you have done is just watching greys anatomy !!!
@Namay I agree. Islam is more often than not presented wrong on tv etc. I'm glad some people know more but it's sad to see when they don't.
I don't know if you believe in the Afterlife but the thing is our god has said that he will NOT accept any other religion so we have to spread this massage to all humans because we LOVE then not because we hate them and the have the freedom of choice !!
all of that is in the quran and no body is reading it and then they say terrorists !
"Every day, every week, every month of the last year has been about fucking bombing and ISIS. There's the racist commenters, the reportages and the victim counts... all because it's in western countries."So in short you really don't care about anyone, because you require others to care about a certain group and merely because they don't you don't show care for them by yourself. But on top of that you're choosing not to care about western countries, because there aren't enough people in your eyes giving a shit about other countries.
@Namay i dunno which kind of islam you believe in, but spreading the quran is not always part of islam. Anyways this was not really about religion.
there is only onemedia and tv have divided then but it is only one and I believe in iteveryday I hear a bad news that is directly connected to this thema
@Namay no.. you have different kinds of islam within islam such as derwishes
belive me the god and the prophet said not that there are different kinds of islam and it is the same by the Christians people have done that not the god
@galvendore see i dont care if you hate it or whatever you feel about it. Im smarter than her as well as smarter than you regardless of age, but i just mentioned her age because its expected to say such stupid things at her age. I certainly know more about the subject and about things in general than she does and the same goes for you, the only one here who got butthurt was you over my previous response.
i seriously doubt most syrians want American or western troops in their country when they know that the reason they are there are mostly because of shady politics and greed for oil and selling weapons, and in the cases where footsoldiers have been involved many cases of collateral damage against syrian civilians has taken place, similar to when they used drones. If there is anything to be done its to stop the weapon and oil deals with countries such as saudi arabia but that isn't happening anytime soon, and foot soldiers trying to "wipe out" ISIS isn't going to stop terrorist attacks in the west, more likely this will just lead to the creation of another terror organization to take its place.
@justkidding93 I don't think you realise how war people feel. I've spoken to refugees. They've told me how things were in Syria. They've also told me that every day, they'd pray for help. They'd pray for someone to end the shots, bombing and constant fear and feeling unsafe. I don't think anyone living in constant fear would care about WHY someone's helping, they care THAT they are helping.
um yeah the reason why people are pissed is these guests come in and kill their host. obviously if you invite a person to your house and they attack you with a knife you are going to be pissed. what can you or should you do about what goes on in that person's neighborhood? is it your responsibility? is it your fault you got stabbed in your own home? yes because you never should have trusted that person in the first place.
can you read?
I've spoken to refuges as well, many of them come to sweden, probably more than most other countries. And nope, most of them do not like the way the west are dealing with this. I probably have a better understanding of how majority of them feel compared to you, especially since i hang out with people my age and older who have more experience and this includes many people who are refuges and many recently arrived.
justkidding93 man they (western people) idolise there army and think they solve problems believe it or not but the main reason that puts syria in this situation is the American war on iraq
@COCOCHANEL how about i don't understand your shitty ass metaphor?
@justkidding93 w h a t? Goddamn you're such a stereotypical guy. Stop trying to place yourself above me and get off your high horse. @Namay Duh, but the iraq war wasn't about peace. It was about oil and capitalism.
belive it was about giving the country to iran so iran would do what ever she wants because iraq was the only wall in front of her
I swear I have a headache since yesterday because of the discussion with one of the "people" on this post and I couldn't study neither yesterday nor today because of the headache
how can i make it clearer? should i have used jellybeans in place of people?
jellybeans instead of humans !tnx human !
stfu, im not trying, i AM above you, its a fact. get over it.
@Namay i know bro, but these dumb bitches are to stupid to understand that.
@COCOCHANEL English is not my native language. When you use some weird metaphor to explain things to me i do not always understand. You not being willing to make it clear means you don't care, so nor should I.@justkidding93 no one is above anyone. I'm done here.
i am above you its, fact. And men are above women, also a fact.
every gender has his own adv and disadv
@Namay I sexually identify as Ron Swanson. There are no disadvantages.
Sorry to hear that.
does the IRA still exist even
The IRA doesn't attack Americans and they are known to especially be careful of children. It was not IRA
There are small numbers of them left. But the point is that whoever did it clearly wanted to copycat the IRA. This is Manchester in the UK, the whole audience was British. I doubt the attackers give a sweet flying fuck about Ariana, they wanted to strike fear into the British population. I don't know who it was. But I have an idea it was someone copying the old Hyde square type attacks
Nah it was Muslims I'm sure of it
@TuMeManques correct, the IRA actually tipped off the cops a few hours for every bomb they planted.
The bomber is named Salman Abedi, pretty sure he's not a member of IRA lolll
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Gets that way when you have 7.4B humans that generally suck anyway, some more than others. And some dummy awhile back told me the earth could support 20B lol.
Crusades were launched as a result of muslim armies attacking Europe... they love to forget that.
that sucks man, you know what i did when i got fed up with that shit? i went back to the mother country. you should do the same. oh wait is the UK your homeland?
@COCOCHANEL UK is my homeland. Although my mother is not from here, she's from Malta, came here when she was 5 and, well, grandfather is from Italy and grandmother is from Ireland.
Because "diversity is our strength". Or somesuch rot.
@Barrabus_the_Free So sad we think "diversity" is worth all these lives :(
"We" don't. The leftards and the vote-buying politicos do.
@Barrabus_the_Free Exactly! This is what happens when a segment of society makes buzzwords and catch phrases more important than common sense and public safety.
Wonder what the motive was?
It was a suicide bomber.
Nobody knows the motive yet. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just some depressed person thinking if he was gonna go, he was gonna take people with him. (Or her, whatever)But i have no idea and neither does the news on telly.
Considering the size of those concerts its amazing not more people got hurt. If the bomber had gotten INSIDE the auditorium it would have been much worse.
i do know there are elections getting ready to happen there plus brexit. I don't really want to think it's actually a personal attack against Ariana and her fand
I dont think it is. I think they chose the concert because it was a large gathering of people with a heap of publicity. It was the best way to get maximum victims and maximum media coverage.
i mean yes we do hear a lot of crazed stalkers and fand but i think this is more political than anything
What is a nail bomb exactly?
@uisuww28272 its a bomb , when exploded sends out shrapnel in all directions.Its designed to create maximum trauma.
What is a nail bomb?
@dudegreat I just explained that. Do you not know what reading replies is either?
No, I didn't click the "show all" comments option
No one said it was Islamic terrorism lololol
PC and Europe's ignorance of Islam is destroying them.
No one knows if the terrorist is an Islamic extremist yet.
@PrincessBunBuns Place your bets, dear.
Oh yeah, I'm 90%sure it is though XD
Even if people would vote for the far right, do you really think such terrorism can be stopped? Far right parties CANNOT deport all muslims and pretty much can't block all Islamic migration. They usually can create more terrorism, since what they are essentially showing, if they govern, that it is okay to demonise a substantial part of the country. Those Muslims will feel even more disenfranchised and will be easier to manipulate by terrorists. Far right parties won't even stop terrorism, there is no government on earth that could stop an attack like in Nice or Berlin.
@qdoek They certainly can stem the flow of further migrants, and deport the ones filling jails...
Just say "terrorism". No need to say "Islamic terrorism". Not all terrorist are muslim. And no, im not muslim. Did they say it was an Islamic attack? Geez
It's not even confirmed a terrorist attack yet, nevermind an Islamic terrorist attack. Lmao.Nothing about being PC either. Islamic extremist terrorists are a problem but at this point you're not even talking facts.
@DevikaButts95 ISIL claimed credit for it hours ago.
@TheSpartan They'll obviously claim everything they can, wait for the actual results
@qdoek it was obviously an Islamic terror attack.
@TheSpartan Probably but them claiming it is not actual evidence
@TheSpartan I don't even believe you when you say they claimed it, even though it would make logical sense for them to claim it regardless.I'm going to wait for the actual story.
Which correction, might still be islamic terrorists anyways but still gunna wait for the full story to come out.
@PrincessBunBuns that's the main conclusion thus far...
@sandybandy that's what the authorities are leaning towards. I'll apologize if I'm wrong.
It is terrorism, that part has been confirmed. Many other religions or races can become terrorists. There is no reason to literally assume someone is Muslim just because, oh, bombs. There are multiple reasons for mass murders; including even for shits and giggles (Suicide bomber).
Well a good start will be when Americans stop supplying the main sponsor of terrorism, Saudi Arabia, with weapons. Until then, Americans should keep their hypocritical comments about how bad Islamic terrorism is, when Americans themselves are giving them the weapons.
@amalia23 I'm entitled to my opinion. And I'm against the US giving weapons to anyone fyi
The fact still remains that just a few days ago your beloved president happily agreed to supply more weapons to Saudi Arabia, weapons that will be given to ISIS and Al Qaeda members. And what will they be doing with the weapons? What they've been doing so far... suicide bombings, decapitating, and anything else you can think of.
@amalia23 so are you saying this terrorist attack was justified?
Nice straw-man, smart one. @TuMeManques
@amalia23 How does selling tanks and jet fighters to the royal Saudi Government turn into home made terror bombs? The former are used to deterIran, not turned into home made bombs.
@Curmedgeon Thanks for bringing the tanks up, if you look up those beautifully made American tanks you'll see them being flaunted by ISIS members themselves. 😂 And those famous American jetfighters are the ones killing your American soldiers and several innocent people, that and your beautiful tanks 😜.
@amalia23 Uh no, they are not M1 Abrams or M60 Pattons, they are Soviet surplus T-62, T-72, and T-80 tanks, picked up from the stockpiles Saddam left behind. What American weapons thye did manage to obtain came from overrunning post-Saddam Iraq forces. Try again, please. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_equipment_of_ISIL
More here:www.businessinsider.com/.../As much as I don't trust the Saudis, it is the captured stockpiles of Iraq, not Saudi Arabia, that are used by ISIS / ISIL.
@Curmudgeon How convinient, an American founded source, which purpose is to take america off the radar and point the finger towards another direction. That's like Al Jazeera making a news report defending suicide bombers and blaming it on the Indians. Stop being so naive and brainwashed.ISIS was nothing, just another group of rebels in the middle east. It wasn't until America decided to intervene in Iraq which ended up destabilizing everything, and helped ISIS grow, and if that weren't enough America keeps funding Isis by supplying weapons with the excuse that those weapons were intended for the "Kurds" but just so happen to land in ISIS territory right? Hmm, sounds way too familiar, sounds like operation fast and furious where America provided weapons to cartels in Mexico, once again with the excuse that it wasn't for them. BS. Again America funding terrorism. Just like Trumps recent arms deal with the Al Saud family is no exception, where it's obvious what they want those weapons fo
Saudi Arabia doesn't give two shits about America, the Al Saud family just wants to take control, but they can't do that without a mass production of weaponry, that's where the U. S comes in. And in exchange the U. S keeps stashing those oil reserves earnings, Americas economy is primarily based on earnings from the oil industry, the oil industry is dominated by the Middle East. That being said, the U. S will continue to destabilize the Middle East for it's own selfish convenience. This recent meeting between Trump and King Salman was the perfect example, money in exchange for goods, goods that kill. Kill people such as those in 9/11 or ongoing wars where your American soldiers are getting killed, and the irony here is that theyre getting killed with American weaponry. You are all chess pieces to a game where the average American citizen won't win, because you're being used and control by a political system that quite frankly doesn't care for you.
@amalia23 Sigh. The weapons captured and destroyed are what they are. And they came from Iraq, not Saudi Arabia.
@amalia23 "Americas economy is primarily based on earnings from the oil industry, ". That would be news to all the computer and telecommunications people working here. That said, oil is one underpinning, among many, of EVERY economy today.
"ISIS was nothing, just another group of rebels in the middle east. It wasn't until America decided to intervene in Iraq which ended up destabilizing everything, and helped ISIS grow, "Actually, it was the Obamunist pulling out, not the Bush intervention, which allowed ISIS to fill the vacuum. You can argue the Bush intevention was unwise, sure, but it was Obama's magical thinking that he could press a magical "reset" button on US foreign policy and just pull out that led to ISIS. "Hmm, sounds way too familiar, sounds like operation fast and furious where America provided weapons to cartels in Mexico, once again with the excuse that it wasn't for them. BS."As for that "fast and furious" farce, that was the Obamunists creating violence and blaming it on American private gun owners. Truly disgusting, and if the whole story about the last eight years ever comes out, but hey, what am I saying, the sycophant media sucked up the last eight years and is still at it.
No, the weapons that helped/continues to help ISIS spread came from America :), and if it weren't for that and U. S intervention in Iraq, Isis wouldn't even be a problem right now worldwide. Even your current president admitted to that ;) As far as other funders go, Saudi Arabia supports terrorist groups, along with America Jordan Turkey and other Gulf Arab countries. But Saudi Arabia has an agenda of it's own, and it's not just fighting Iran or Shi'a in general. The Al Saud family wants to control, and the only way to do that is by destroying but they can't do that on their own, so they have America supplying them, and in exchange Saudi gives America what America is hungry for...$$$. Saudi Arabia doesn't give two shits about the U. S or it's neighbors, Saudi Arabia cares for it's own interests. Just like America, minus Saudi isn't doing it for the money. American politics are a joke, feed the people one thing and make them believe, but you go and kiss ass of those you despise.
Obama Obama Obama... who cares about Obama, he's not president anymore. Trump is doing the exact same thing he claimed to dislike about Obama and Hilary, but he's doing it now. By interving, funding weaponry, and accepting funding by a country he claimed tobhate the most throughout his entire presidential campaign.
Politics aside, even I found Trump's behavior very hypocritical. How are you going to criticize a country for "sexist" "backwards" "terrorists; masterminds behind 9/11" and criticize Islam, when Saudi Arabia is home to Islam but still accept their money? Lmfao
@PrincessBunBuns ''No one said it was Islamic terrorism lololol''... we all know it is so your lololol is just stupid.
@qa12017 Do you have a solution to offer?
@OlderAndWiser... but of course, stay the fuck out of the Middle East and other countries 😊 That way those "refugees" won't be forced to leave their homes.
@qa12017 Muslims are killing other Muslims in those countries. Do you really think the US and other countries pulling completely out will stop the violence?
@TuMeManques America should stop funding those organizations. Simple.
@qa12017 I agree with you on that 100%
@qa12017 but that alone will not stop this religious warfare
Islam should simply be treated like communism was; that would greatly-reduce the threat.
@qa12017 And the extremists will stop killing innocent people? Do we have the terrorists promise on that? Don't they want to kill us because we are non-believers and not simply because we have intervened?
@OlderAndWiser of course, you know how they are so nice to the news for not supplying them with weapons?
*jews... curse You auto correct
Oh shit, I didn't realize how redpilled you are.
@TheSpartan I'm not sure if that's a compliment or an insult lol
It's a compliment lolI can't believe you brought up the Jews. You're 10 times more aware than most people.
@TheSpartan oh haha well thank you my dear 😄
I honestly can't even sleep over this. I'm so upset. I'm trying to distract myself but I keep thinking of it.
Ariana is now in the hospital because she's traumatized. I'm a mess.
Difference between Hitler and muslims is that their killings are for their "religion". Its in their religion to kill others in the name of their "god". Hitler wasn't doing it for anymore reason than he was one terrible person who brainwashed his people. Isis is not even closely related to hitler. They are terrible terrible people who kill anything or anyone who isn't shit like them. To stop people you have to go to war, and in war there are casualties. Stop being a pussy.
The death toll has been updated to twenty two.
EXACTLY!!! I've been telling people for so long that Muslims will destroy Europe like they did India. And NO VAST MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS ARE NOT GOOD PEOPLE, they just make you believe it...
My new response
she's still a person. you don't want anyone to be a casualty but sadly people do harm othr people. Like her, hate her, detest her she's still a person
but they treat her as more important
well of course her safety is important too.
i mean yes you get people who care more about the star than the others but still people ask about her too. so I posted the update to let everyone know she wasn't a casualty.
Muslims can also be white do you know that? Arabs fucking look white. If you want to ban Muslims ban Muslims but don't think that Muslims have a particular color
It really won't end up a city divided. That mentality is absolutely awful. You can already see the opposite is happening with how many people have volunteered to help with blood donations, transport etc. We weren't divided when other horrors have happened here and this won't divide us either.
@Blonde401 Some people are yes... but many will have a increase in their so called ''racist'' thoughts. Just because some nice people are going out and doing stuff... it doesn't mean it won't be divided... I'm not saying for sure it will be... but you will have to wait and see.
@TheUsername27 there will be a few awful people who use this as an excuse to be racist but it won't 'divide' the city.
I've lived in Manchester, it's an absolute shithole, full of libtards like blonde who would rather bury their heads in the sand, and that's why this will continue to happen again and again, and all they'll do is post bullshit about solidarity and unity and praying, just like they do every time.
@englisc London fell when a Muslim became mayor look how he tried to play down the attack there a few months ago... the UK had near enough lost its capital and it's happening in all major cities
Yeah, he even said that terror attacks are part of living in a big city and that we basically need to get used to it - never mind the fact that much larger cities like Tokyo don't have the same problems because they aren't obsessed with the bullshit multicultural agenda or bending over backwards to accommodate people from completely incompatible cultures. But the lefties love that guy.
@englisc Tokyo don't have that problem because they don't allow them in... and neither does Hungary
japanese aren't stupid that's why
@englisc look at all the racist scum on this thread who won't even admit their racist. Pathetic really.
@Blonde401: You're more worried coming off as "Racist" than protecting your own space and country.
@Blonde401 What's pathetic is that people care more about being politically correct and not hurting people's feelings than they do actually preventing theor own children from being killed. I'm hearing a lot of talk about strength from people who will do nothing but light candles, cry and virtue signal on facebook while calling those who want to prevent this shit racist. I was called racist for predicting this. I don't care if that's what people think I am, I just wish I wasn't in a country full of cowards.
@Blonde401 ''a few awful people''... a large amount think like this. That immigration from middle eastern countries should be stopped. suspected terrorists should be removed from the country without hesitation. But people won't say anything in person because they risk losing their job etc. There is nothing racist about wanting to do something about this issue... you can't just single it off as a freak accident and wave your cultural enrichment flags.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy you need to stop harassing me. End of story pal.
@englisc I don't give a shit about being politically correct. Because I'm not racist means I have a certain set of views in your eyes? Yeah ok. It's like beating your head against a brick wall arguing with racist people. Pointless.
@Blonde401 No one here including myself said anything racist...
@Blonde401 You are a real snow flake if you think that. Get a grip and grow up. Perhaps stop listening to buzzfeed so much while your at it?
@TheUsername27 😂😂 yeah keep using buzz word insults because you have absolutely nothing to say.
@Blonde401 i mean i'm not saying you as an individual are responsible but i was kinda counting on you people to take care the homeland of my paternal ancestors because at one time i considered moving there but it looks like barely anyone gives a fuck about preserving British culture and it really is a shame. i really don't know why you don't care about protecting yourselves.
@COCOCHANEL you can't be serious... British culture is still alive and well. If you don't live here you don't know what it's like. That mindset is very racist. It was alright for the British empire to go and invade and ravage the world and live where they liked but we can't have anyone else live here? Hypocrisy at its finest. Especially when you are the offspring of immigrants.
@Blonde401 i do not live there but i do have friends there with whom i speak with daily and i know some things. it is YOUR opinion that British culture is alive and well. other British may or may not feel that way but just because someone says that British culture is not alive and well does not mean that that person is racist. for one thing people have different standards.when did i say anything about saying what the British empire did was ok? when did i say not to let anyone in? who is the offspring of immigrants?
@COCOCHANEL "homeland of my paternal ancestors". Means you're not a native. Therefore you're the offspring of immigrants. What you said is hypocrisy. Also if you've never lived here then how would you know? And if other immigrants are the problem what makes you think you would be a solution?
@Blonde401 British culture isn't alive and well, it's not well at all. You're in denial - unlike @COCOCHANEL I live here and I know what it's like. This is precisely the point I'm trying to make. Here we have a Japanese girl, living in Japan, where they don't experience the terrorism we experience because they care more about preserving their culture and looking after their own people than they do about being called racist and bending over backwards to pander to foreign people, from completely incompatible culture who despise everything about them. Our people, including you, are the exact opposite. Your only argument against it is "that's racist" and "the British invaded other places so we should just accept these people into our country to be fair". When that "fairness" comes at the expense of your children's safety, that's just pure stupidity. But you just keep on praying and chatting bollocks about solidarity, pretending everythings okay til next time, and the next, and the next
@englisc and yet you have a British flag as your dp. In the EDL are you? Children's safety. Yet you don't care about British people blowing up other people's kids in other countries do you? Cause they're not white. Get lost, I am done lowering myself to you.
@Blonde401 no i never said i was a native but half of my ancestry is from there and i care. thanks for excluding me. i think what you just said to me shows your hypocrisy. please do not put words in my mouth again. i believe i said to protect and by that i meant screening immigrants carefully and making and enforcing laws to prevent this kind of thing from happening. for one i would not be a burden on the state and i would respect the culture and customs of the natives even though you KINDLY pointed out that i am an outsider and yes it feels SO nice to be excluded where ever you go in the world just because you are mixed race thanks for that. anyways i do feel that the guest should respect the host and not cause them trouble. i mean i understand that they might be angry and feel that retaliation is the answer but you know what? that's fucked up.
@Blonde401 I have an English flag because I'm English. While I hate the way the country is going I still have pride in being English and I wish our people would stop being so weak and supporting things that endanger our children, that's what makes me so angry about the situation. I'm not a member of the EDL, never have been. I do disagree with all of these bullshit wars over in the Middle East, I think it's fucked up what they're doing over there.
@COCOCHANEL where did I exclude you? Where did I say that? I said it's hypocrisy for you to want to exclude others and think yourself better than anyone else. I am not about excluding anyone. I'm pointing out that your argument is very the pot calling the kettle black. I know loads of immigrants. My mother is one! I'm not about excluding anyone but then don't be like that yourself about others just because you don't happen to like their race or religion.
@englisc then why are you surprised that it's happening here too? It's fucking wrong, yes. But there's little kids being gassed or bombed or sold to be sex slaves to ISIS members. Little kids man. I can see how people get disinfranchised and frankly fucked off with the west. It doesn't excuse their behaviour. But you're angry out kids got blown up. That's how they feel too. Most people just want a better life for themselves. That's all. And they're happy to work for it. The current state of the world won't be fixed soon but hating other people based on their creed or religion is fucking wrong, end of story.
And we're there taking oil and doing other shit and starting wars. And then we're shocked when these people want to come and hurt us? Really? I'm no longer shocked. It's abhorrent but it doesn't surprise me.
@Blonde401 first of all, it's a bit crazy to call me a child of immigrants when i said i have never been there but was hoping to visit. how can i be an immigrant if i'm not in the country? then i said my homeland of my paternal ancestors. for all you know my father has a British passport and i can get one for myself. can we please not make assumptions. i also did not say i'm better than anyone but it's obvious that you guys are getting attacked by people of other cultures and this is not the first time. my goodness. i said to preserve your culture and protect yourselves. in japan, korea and other Asian countries this is normal and everyone including young people want to preserve the culture even though we aren't being attacked.
@Blonde401 I just think that your view is very naive. It seems to be the case that people think that if we treat others fairly, they'll treat us fairly. That's not how the world works. To me it's very simple - inviting people who hate the West to come and live here is bad for the safety of my children, no matter what their reason is for coming here.
@COCOCHANEL your words: paternal ancestors. That makes YOU a product of immigrants. Your paternal ancestors were immigrants. That means your family once immigrated to that country. Not sure what's so difficult about that to understand? It has zero to do with being British. You're not British yourself but your family were immigrants to, I presume the country you now reside in. Then you yourself may want to be a immigrant yourself? Where's the confusion here? I didn't make any assumptions, I'm going off the information YOU gave me.
@englisc we're not inviting people who hate the west here. There are people within this country who have lived here a while or their whole lives who then become disinfranchised because of the racism and negative attitudes. I'm not naive at all. People need to stop assuming their country is innocent of injustices because they aren't. The West does as much bombing and taking lives as the enemy does, children die all over the world because of our bombs.
@Blonde401 you completely misunderstood the meaning of the term paternal ancestors in this case. paternal ancestors can mean grandparents or anywhere down the line and it can mean that they never left their homeland. for example it can mean that only my grandfather left his homeland and he may or may not have returned to his homeland. think about the other relatives who stayed. and no your assumption is wrong, my paternal ancestors did not immigrate to the country i reside in. i am a citizen here because this is my mother's homeland. i am not an immigrant.
@Blonde401 They also have completely incompatible cultures to ours which also makes them hate the West. And as you mentioned yes all of that goes on in the Middle East - are you saying that our children should pay the price for that?
@COCOCHANEL but you're a child from a line of people who were once immigrants. Or how else did you end up living in a country where your entire lineage is not from?
@englisc nowhere did I say ANYONE'S children should pay the price. Quote me where I said that. I never said that. Nobodies children should be dying. That's been my whole point all along.
@Blonde401 But then you attack anybody who is against bringing over people who want to kill our children because you care more about not being racist than anything else. You care more about being fair to people who want to kill your people. You criticize people from countries like Japan who don't think the same way and don't have their children killed because they have their heads screwed on, but hey at least while your people are being killed they're not being called racist right?
@Blonde401 i am honestly confused about what you are confused about. let me put it another way. my father's family is from y. i still have distant relatives there. my mother is from x. i live in x. when a person refers to the homeland of their paternal ancestors it does not mean that you should immediately classify them as a child of immigrants. i really don't know where you are getting the ”entire lineage” part from. when did i say i ended up living in a country where my lineage is not from? i said i am living in the country that my maternal lineage is from. this is getting very strange. i made it very clear without giving the minute details and you don't seem to get it.
@COCOCHANEL you don't class them as that but you are not from where you're from originally. Your family were immigrants at some point... your fathers lineage is not that which is where you are currently living. Not that hard to grasp. And you moving would make you an immigrant. So why do you have such an issue with immigrants?
@Blonde401 i am where my maternal ancestors are from. i am a citizen here, not an immigrant. i am not where my paternal ancestors are from. i am biracial. not that hard to grasp, right? my original comment said nothing about immigrants at all. you brought up immigrants and INSIST on labelling me as one so that you can call me a hypocrite. you keep bringing up topics that i never touched on. i think you should read my original comment to you,
@COCOCHANEL Never visit Europe it's got a sickness and it isn't going to be cured anytime soon stay safe in your own country... What's happened with Europe and Britain is we have been cuckholdwd into submission- the colour of our skin has brainwashed us to feel guilt for things that didn't happen in our lifetime Where are you from? I bet your proud of your history and your skin colour and your country? We've been told we can't be proud to be white we can't be proud to be British it's racist we aren't even allowed to fly our flags because somebody will think it's offensive... that's Britain a country that gave so much to the world been told it's not enough we must pay for what the colonisers done
They are saying possible Suicide Bomber or Nail Bomb
".. young girls who have died..."So you give no fucks about any young boys that have died.Nice. Nothing quite like a self-hating man.Stay classy.
@Barrabus_the_Free young boys?At an Ariana Grande Concert?
@Waffles731 Shit man, I don't know. I don't even know what an Ariana Whateverthefuck even IS. But I think it's safe to assume there's at least a couple boys/young men there, watching over their sisters if nothing else.
it's true there were lot's of young people presumably at this concert of, both genders. But lets try to be respectful and civil here
@Barrabus_the_Free Well, in case you didn't know, Ariana Grande is very popular amongst GIRLS. With boys, not so much. But I don't doubt that there were young boys and also at the event too. It's all very sad.
@Barrabus_the_Free ' I don't even know what an Ariana Whateverthefuck even IS'I envy you
*also adults at the event
Muslims/terrorists have only one Nationality i. e. Islam.
It will never be beat because Europe is full of cowards who will do nothing but post pictures of flags on their profiles while talking about solidarity and praying and "terrorism has no religion", just like they do every single time.
Muslims have been inbreeding for generations, so that's a major issue here. Half of worlds Muslims are inbredfellowshipoftheminds.com/.../According to Nicolai Sennels, a Danish psychologist who has done extensive research into Muslim inbreeding, close to half of all Muslims in the world are inbred:70% of Pakistanis are inbred.67% of Saudi Arabians are inbred.64% of those living in Jordan and Kuwait are inbred.63% of Sudanese are inbred.60% of Iraqis are inbred.54% of Muslims in the United Arab Emirates and Qatar are inbred.25-30% of those in Turkey are inbred.In England, at least 55% of Pakistani immigrants are married to their first cousins.In Denmark the number of inbred Pakistani immigrants is around 40%.
@G-Daz: Cousins are not near kin.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy no they marry their first cousins, a girl also marries her maternal uncle. A lot of Muslims are born with birth defects and cognitive disabilities due to inbreeding.
@dudegreat: Uncles and aunts are near kin. But first cousins aren't. Cousins relationship literally has the same chance of a child being born with defects as to others that aren't related at all. Look it up on Google.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy Cousins are first degree relatives. That is why marriage among relatives is banned in most cultures cause tehy are still first degree relatives.
Really? Don't you think it could have been the same if it was a Celine Dion, Elton John or Aerosmith concert?
No, because they all hired better security. A lot Muslims like aerosmith also
just like im sure there are a lot of Islamic girls and teens who like Ariana Grande too. Just like there are Christians who like Katy Perry , ACDC, and KISS
last time I checked there aren't a bunch of Christian terrorist around the world blowing shit up.
terrorists don't only use bombs you know nor always go after masses. Ever heard of the Ku Klux Klan?
The ku Klux Klan isn't even a threat anymore, You are comparing a terrorist group with world reach, to a bunch of assholes who got beat up by skinny whiney college kids? Ms13 would have been a better comparison.
you think it is funny? calling the religion of more than 1 billion people a religion of terror?
congratulations. you have been brainwashed
So all the terrorist attacks around the world blowing shit up while claiming it was Islam means nothing? So all the beheading, stonings, burnings, child rape, slavery, which are all accepted in sharia law, from the haddiths in the Quran are just coincides?
I forgot about just killings gays or forcing them to get sex changes.
I will give you two citations from the quran1 And if anyone of the Mushrikun (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allah (the Quran), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not.2 Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity.
the thing is most probably you hear what people says in TV and then you repeat?you say that this is a religion of terror and I am 90% sure that you have not read the quran? right?
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"
we can throw quotes from the book all day, but last time I checked there are still more terrorist actions coming out of people who believe that than the other faiths so your point of peaceful verses is moot, when people are burned alive for just the rumor of tearing up the book.
do you know the hole story of your citation? I said I am a muslim and I want to follow my religion so why did not I killed anyone? man in my country we live together?ok what should I do? do I follow what my citation says or yours? I read or hear quran everyday so I know this book more than you
correction... the whole story
Will you condemn hamas?
and for you information there NO CONTRADICTIONS in the quran so if you saw two parts contradict each other then be sure that you need tafseer book ( interpretation ) for it to be clear
if they are fighting against people who roped there land or killed innocent people then no
I never said there contradictions on the contrary I think they are following it to the letter
a question if I am saying that people should read the quran and I know this book and I have read your citation many times and thought about itand I am trying to tell that this religion is not a religion of terror ... so I am a fool? because I am saying that this religion is a religion of peace but its book that I know contains those citations of yours !!!it is not like what you understand go and read it alone and try to forget everything about news and politics and people's opinions !! and then think about it !!I know it will take a lot of time
Will you condemn the Hamas? Or publicly condemn the acts of terrorism in the name of Islam, or the beheadings, acid attacks, child rapes, gays being thrown off buildings, stonings, committed in the name of Allah?
you are saying hamas hamas do you what the other part have done you are just watching one part !that is brainwashing !
it is just like talking with the cnn or something like this !many people know only one part and this is it if there is a problem between you brothers do you hear from one of them or from both !! put some logic for gods sake
I don't watch just CNN or American news. I see that you keep avoiding the question and will not condemn the actions done in the name of your religion so that means you support it. End of story now shut the fuck up. Oh and when I say publicly I mean say it in front of people and your family members, say your real name online and on top of all your social media accounts. You won't because you support it.
for other people go read the book before you say it is bad "if you have common sense"
You support terrorist acts committed in the name of islam, you support beheadings, stonings, child rape, gay killings, and killing Jews in the name of Islam? Since you do not condemn any of these acts publicly you and your religion are shit.
and it would be better if I would be killed? ( I don't know why I am talking to you by the way)
for other people it seems that this guy do not understand English because it seems that he did read the citation that I have posted ! lol
I don't condone murder and don't support any attacks done in the name of my religion. However you still avoid the question because you support it, I would question if you would kill me if given a chance for drawing Muhammed sucking the cock of Jesus.
I really can't describe my feeling after reading you last comment man those are prophets ( mohammad or jesus ) how can you talk like that !!do you know what I don't want to know you wether you draw such a thing or not say that to the god at the day of judgment and don't say that you didn't know !
pls don't continue... thanks in advance
Well that's between me and his and your interjection is not necessary however the murder of Charlie hebdo from Islamic terrorist shows drawings are worth murder.
That was unnecessarily rude and tactless to say. Ariana is just as traumatized and hurt as any of the other concert goers and families/friends affected. She didn't deserve to have this happen at her show.
@lumos You for real? So whose show would you have preferred teenagers to be blown apart at? Ffs... who cares about Ariansaybe it will make her choose her words more carefully next time with her let them all in attitude..
I agree with you on the religion part, terrorism has no race, religion or culture. We should all stand up against it.
When was the last time there was a suicide bomber who wasn't part of a certain religion?Everything other than it being from an islamic background would be a surprise.
@Brokenheartedx I meant that saying you don't give a shit about Ariana was rude and disrespectful. She is also a victim in all of this. Why tf are you assuming I even wanted anyone to blow up? That's disgusting. This should NOT have happened at all, to anyone, at any show. Period.
@lumos An 8 year old girl has been confirmed as second victims so no I don't give a Fk about grande
@Brokenheartedx how exactly does that take away from the fact that she was also there and is equally traumatized by what happened as everyone else? You don't think she feels sorrow and guilt for the fact that some of her fans/possibly some parents of her fans died? Regardless of what you think of her or her music, she did not deserve to have this happen to her, at her show, to her fans. She is also a victim in this and is also absolutely traumatized and floored by what happened. So she especially doesn't deserve to have people like you say "I don't give a shit about Grande" etc. You can honestly keep that to yourself and try to see the bigger picture here.
@dudegreat Ignorant and narrow minded people like you shouldn't be given such platforms to blurt out the nonsense they believe in. Your speech does not suit your age, go read a book or something to enlighten yourself
Speak to a real Muslim and they feel the same way you and I feel about terrorist and terrorism, I have many Muslim friends and when you speak to them about such terrorist attacks you will come to realise that Muslims condemn such acts and it's even prohibited in their Holy Book
It's not about how many Muslims you live with my friend it's about how well educated you are not to stereotype😂😂😂
Your believe on Islam being the religion of terrorism is like me assuming that you American because you are stereotypical and dumb. See it doesn't work like that, you can't paint everyone with the same brush
I'm sure your "definitely far more educated" than I am, the way you express your opinion says a lot, well done pal
They say don't argue with an idiot or they'll drag you to their level and beat you, I guess this is where our chat ends. by the way you'll be "far more educated" than me when you have a degree in Computer Engineering😎
If you were "far more educated" than I am you would've know that Islam isn't a culture and that Muslims cannot go back to their own countries because Islam is a religion and anyone can be a Muslim including your own fellow citizens
Wait what? I'm must force my what?"stupid fucked up self hating mentality"? Are you okay upstairs. Seriously I'm done here.
You don't know what you saying and please don't talk about democracy because everything you wrote in response to this question opposed democracy in every possible manner
No need to be foul-mouthed place, this is what happens when you claim you "far more educated" then someone you don't even know. If you man enough state your highest academic achievement
I'm not on your assistance mate, you should try reading my comments maybe you'll learn how to express yourself with out being offensive or stereotypical
@lumos really? ariana is equally as traumatized as the physically injured out there where the bombs exploded? she was the one being protected, safe and out of harm's way.
@COCOCHANEL but how was she supposed to know in the moment that she was protected? There could have been more bombings or more attempts at an attack. In the moment they didn't know what was going to happen, or if she specifically was the target. Being in a situation like that is traumatizing, regardless of how much security you have around you and regardless of how safe you really are. She was still right there when it happened.
Really? What about The Klan, The IRA, the Spanish Inquisition? those were terrors done in the name of religion that was not islam
I am a muslim do you have a question?
Lmao Yeah, you do...
well sry pls don't mind my comment do what you want hate who you want and love what you want and don't say I didn't know at the day of judgment
@smahala1991, do you have any modern examples? Let's say just in the last year. What the hell does the Spanish Inquisition, something that happened hundreds of years ago, have to do with the fact that an estimated 13 percent of a disgusting cult worldwide KILLS INNOCENT PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY DISAGREE WITH THEM. That comes out to roughly 208,000,000 people. That's the equivalent of 67 percent of the United States population, or roughly 70 times more than the US military. When was the last time you heard about the KKK taking over a country and beheading people who did not support them? Or Mormons? Or the IRA? I can tell you the last time a Muslim went and blew the shit out of a bunch of people TARGETING CHILDREN and slew them by the dozens. It was last night.
The guy waz talking about extremists the KKK are Christian extremists, the IRA was Catholic extremists same with the inquisition
The KKK may happen to be Christian, but their white supremacists. Little bit of a difference. IRA happens to be Catholic, but they want an independent Ireland from Great Britain. The Spanish Inquisition was catholic spaniards. Thus the name. Again, name something modern that has this scale of hate and death. I'll wait.
Muslims are far less dangerous than white American gun owners lmao
@jonny5213 what about school shooters
@smahala1991 bc they did it for allah or their religion right? lol I bet they're also all part of the same cult too right? Get out of here with that lol
white American gun owners? look at crime statistics of the highest legal gun ownership counties, crime there is lowest in the nation. on the other hand strict gun control places like Chicago and LA have very high crime. Coincidence? But you're a liberal so facts dont matter only feelings.
Syria has more Moslems than other non-Mozzlem countries so obviously their is going to be more violence and bombing. Doesn't need someone to be Einstein to figure that out LOLLL
Pffftt your grammar is cheap.
Why did I just get 2 unlikes? 🤦♂️
Nobody cares about Syria, it's their own making. More Muslims = more blasts and violence
Check your fucking grammar again 🤦♂️
Well I hardly care about correcting my grammar, you got the message loud and clear, now go live in some sharia shithole
LOLLL didn't see you were 13, that explains your autism :D
Go do your homework kid, let adults handle these serious matters. You have no clue how the world works...
A Terrorist will always want to have the maximum fatalities in the blast so he would plant the bomb where it can casue most distruction.
She's a famous pop singer.musical-video.net/.../...-Grande-Santa-Tell-Me.jpgAs for the bombs, from what I can gather they used a pressure cooker filled with nails, screws, and bolts: aka nail bomb.
@ak666 Ah ok, that explains it. I quit listening to pop after it went to shit in the 90's and went to techno/electronica/trance. Nice bomb, apparently they know their improvised devices better there than the pair of dummies that did the Boston Marathon. The bomb itself from that only had 3 kills in the first 24 hours.
"I'd probably kill someone if I was forced to pay and suffer through one of her concerts." You need to work on your timing. You know that this is not the time to make jokes, right?
@OlderAndWiser No jokes here, not on purpose anyway.Either way I'm not going to say I'm surprised a terrorist attack happened in the UK again for like the 20th+ time.People should honestly be expecting them by now.
Yes, and isn't that a sad commentary on the current world climate?
Me too, if I actually feel physically sick.. I have been to 1D and Bieber concerts, and I can't believe anyone would DO that at such a happy place :O :O
@Girl7150 I went to Ari's concert in Stockholm. It really hit me today that it could just as well have happened there, that it could have happened to me, that I could have lost my life or witnessed others lose theirs. It's a scary thought and I can't even begin to understand how the victims' friends and families must feel, and the guilt and sorrow Ari must feel for the fact that it happened at her show and that the security failed to secure the area.
99 times out of 100, he's already dead
yeah I actually just heard it was a suicide bomber.
I honestly think Ariana Grande is a horrible person and Every one in the media is kissing her ass because she's a star.
i never said that, however im certainly smarter than majority of people on this site, i say that based on experience.
The cause is white guilt.
Probably a nail bomb, rest is speculation at the moment. He says it's white guilt because he's essentially saying all refugees or Muslims that come here are because white people feel guilty of stuff they did in the past, hence white guilt.
Oh. Ok! Do you also know how to do the update thingy on a question?
you cannot. Only the question asker can update the question. You can't also update your own post
Well if I ask a question (like on my profile), how do I update it on there?