Kotex is already horrible anyways lol.
@lyannamormont I've never used them and I don't think i ever will
I applaud your use of the boycott. I thought I was the only one who still does that.
You must have a lot of self-hate lolOn the other hand, you might be a catfish
Thanks for the MHO
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I loved "the 100" on netflix if you havnt seen it i recommend it.
@tezequal I'll give it a look! I'm always open to exploring new content.
Lol! Claims faux intellectual bullshit shows... then claims to watch grey’s anatomy 😂😂😂 that’s an oxymoron if I’ve ever heard 1
Lmao I know right? I don't pretend to understand. Greys Anatomy never presented itself as commentary or insightful story telling though. Black Mirror on the otherhand, is a perfect example of what I dislike about netflix.
Well, there’s a difference between shows and movies trying to be smart and shows and movies that are actually smart. Black mirror is a show that is actually smart. Not in the way that it “tries”, which you might find pretentious, but the way in which it’s actually told, which is generally well crafted. Unless you actually are just against smart and/or well crafted shows/movies. In that case, I can’t really help you liking bad tv shows
@Other_Tommy_Wiseau Black Mirror is only "smart," in the sense that it was written by a Brit. The core concept of Black Mirror is even flawed. Their goal is to take modern, every day technology, and then critique it by presenting a short story where the technology has a progressed to a ridiculous point. But it doesn't even do that realistically. It's not even satire, there's just no way most of those situations would actually happen, because the core issue of the technology usually isn't what Black Mirror claims. The best episode was the one in season 4 about social media ratings, but that was only good because it kept the woman's problem realistic; she was trying to get to a wedding, and move into a new apartment. Besides that episode, I haven't seen a single one that was any good.
No, it’s smart because the episodes are well written and cleverly directed. Trust me, I can tell good tv from bad tv. I’m kinda doubting you know what good story telling is. Black mirror isn’t presenting how technology will progress, but how we use technology in society. And I’d argue the point about not being accurate about society. 1 episode was about becoming famous and how you need to sell yourself, not your talents... the kardashians or most celebrities. The Waldo moment (considered the worst episode) happened 2x already, the ratings episode is how we view people on social media and is actually happening in China, I can keep going; the white bear episode is basically Facebook, YouTube and twitter comments come to life. The soldier 1 is about how we see morality and apply it as a justification... I feel like you missed a lot and take the show way too literally as what the future will look like and not what it’s actually saying about society.
@Other_Tommy_Wiseau I'm a filmmaker, I tell stories for a living. If you want to break down the show into the story telling mechanics, we can do that. Here's the basic issue I take with the story telling behind Black Mirror: it ignores the reality of how things are actually happen in the real world. It is based on an unrealistic scenario and then it tries to expound upon it. Take the premise behind White Bear, a comment section turned viral. The main character wakes up without their memory, to find themselves in a desolate post apocalyptic feeling neighborhood (beautiful camera work, by the way, truly top notch). She wanders around for a bit, before an inexplicable man, and a mod of people begin to chase her without explanation. She gets chased around for a bit, they throw in a few jump scares, and then things come to a head when it's revealed that she's just part of an amusement park attraction on a loop. WHAT? How is THAT good storytelling?
Even if we say that an amusement park attraction on loop is even remotely akin to the social media sphere, you still run into the basic problems that this woman had no idea why she was being hunted, or why everyone was running around with their camera phones out. It doesn't make sense, and not even from a literal standpoint, that doesn't make sense from a story telling standpoint. Your analogy has to be rooted in some sense of reality, and Black Mirror just doesn't do that.
I will grant you that the Waldo Moment was slightly better, and I really did like the Social Media Ratings episode, but by and large the show is a snooze fest.
It’s scifi... I mean, it’s pike questioning dragons in game of thrones or light savers in star wars. At some point, your suspension of disbelief has to apply, or thinking Logan isn’t that good cause a dude can’t actually have 24” blades coming out of his knuckles 😂 As for storytelling, it’s sayibg how society tries to punish and shame people publicly. On top of it, it’s basically worldstar... Have you ever been on worldstar? if you haven’t, then you need to go for multiple reasons. As for her being drugged, again, the point isn’t the amusement part aspect of the real world application. That’s a fair real criticism on a literal sense, but misses the mark on interpretation. A representation of a replay button you see on a video where you can watch it over, and over, and over.
@Other_Tommy_Wiseau You're absolutely right! Disbelief does need to come in somewhere, but not in the core premise of a show where things are otherwise normal. I really love StarTrek and StarWars for the reason that everything within each episode explains everything else. So, the way I would have told that story, is by including her faux pas on the episode. She wakes up on a loop, maybe she has no memory, she goes to the drug store to by some aspirin, gets into a fight with the cashier. You could have her on an infinite loop for all I care, with that explanation. THEN people start harassing her. Even Wolverine has lore associated with his claws that make the rest of his world make sense.The episode where the Prime Minister gets blackmailed into screwing a pig on tv. That's another great example of a time where a simple plot device would have made a world of difference.
So, would you say that baby driver or inception are not a good movie, then (assuming you’ve seen them)? Well, that’s where I disagree. I think that’s bad storytelling. I’m not a huge fan of doing twists for the sake of it, but if you were to do it, you have to do it like white bear, and most black mirror episodes. The reason they work is because you’re in the perspective of the main character. What they see and know, you see and know, with hints throughout. If you explain it prior, that’s exposition, and that’s just bad and lazy writing and/or directing. The action and suspense should drive the story. Because it’s a loop and starts over, we know what would happen, and there’s no stakes or consequences, and would be a boring story. Or, if you do it, you have to pull off a hell of a story. A good example where that works for me would be boardwalk empire. But I guess, at this point, it’s simply a stylistic preference.
As for the prime minister episode, I kind of agree, but it worked because of the ending. The ending being that it’s a troll. He’s just doing it for the fuck of it. There’s no other reason than to cause chaos. And the separation of our imaginations vs reality. Like me saying, I think criminals should be executed, but then I see criminals actually being executed in real life and it’s not as great as in theory. Again, shit you see on the internet in comment sections where people take the most benign things to the extreme
@Other_Tommy_Wiseau I actually love both of those movies! Explaining everything in each episode is definitely more appropriate in a longer running story, where you can infer to other episodes. The best part of telling the story my way, particularly in White Bear's case, is that you can make the plot twist feel like a fully explained twist. For instance, the plot twist in White Bear was very obviously that this poor girl is being tortured on loop for other people's entertainment, but does that really describe the modern obsession with social media lynch mobbing? Not really, and that's why you can't end the story there. No one says they enjoy cyber bullying, but people still do it. I think that you still get to experience the main character's terror if you have your explanation at the end, and the best part: your viewers get to ask why.It may be entertaining to only know what the characters know, but to properly explain why this is really happening to them, you need more detail!
Well, again, ever go on worldstar? You literally see people yelling worldstar and videotaping fights. Or on the comments section saying people should be tortured or whatever. So, I’d say yes... you can’t end the story just as a loop because you have to explain why it’s a loop and why people are filming in the 1st place and what she had to do for her to get that type of treatment. Just saying she deserves it or not explaining it wouldn’t make sense and explaining it on the front end wouldn’t serve the story because it doesn’t lead to progression or reason to care or sympathize with her throughout the story. On the backend, you realize what you think is someone being tortured is someone who is getting their “just desserts”. It’s the audience’s perception being manipulated. It’s the same way Sherlock stories are/were constructed.It is detailed... on the backend. That’s the point. It gives enough clues to not pull shit completely out of it’s but, but enough to keep the audience guessing
Dear White People (the show not the film) is the most triggering thing ever. The original and was removed by Netflix. It's extremely generalising and racist
I have gone on wordstar, many times! Lol I can see this isn't going anywhere, but you are still a pleasure to speak with. Thank you for a spirited debate.
Lmao I have to ask: why does this annoy you?
I don't know...
I feel like a pressure cooker would be a useful thing to have around. To each his own though, right?
Are you living in the 90s?
Indeed, these annoy me too
@shephardjhon, are you intimating that those fashion trends are somehow behind us? I still see sagging pants and wonky ball caps everywhere. Sunglasses indoors less, but still more than I should, in my opinion.
I see more ball caps than Muslim veils or hats. Trump has been making ads for ball capsimg.huffingtonpost.com/.../...2900002700f276ce.jpg
@Chaz269 Never seen the sideways or backwards cap or indoor sunglasses in Michigan. I saw sagging pants on one guy once or twice. Maybe its a west coast thing.
I live in Kalamazoo. Again, I see it all the time.
I have family in the Upper Peninsula, and I definitely don't see it there as often. But I have still seen it as far north as Ontonagon, and as far west as Besmer.
@shephardjhon, please be in Kalamazoo. Come to McGonigle's Irish Pub on East Main right now and I'll show you 2 guys with their hats turned backwards and 1 guy wearing sunglasses indoors. I'll even buy you a beer or a bloody mary before I sing, "Neener, neener, neener!"
Or shoot me your digits and I'll send you pics. If you're not seeing it, you've got blinders on.
If you are giving that much details, I believe you and now I kind of understand Western Michigan University's reputation. I read somewhere the teachers show up to class drunk. I am in Ypsilanti (Eastern Michigan).
Yes! Thank you so much
I haven't heard anything more racist than this today. Thanks.
I don't need to. If you choose to be racist and think weed is only consumed by African-Americans, it is fine by me. Being uneducated or closed-minded or racist is your own problem. Not mine.
My favourite snack 😋
Tbh I find it weird and dangerous
Me too 😂