Ugh Ignore this. Was meant to reply a comment but didn't pay attention.
... How is that even relevant in any way shape or form even if we ignore the blatant propaganda in it?
Again, were we not talking about feminism and the Hijab and not the bullshit propaganda behind the supposed rape epidemic in Sweden?
You can keep going if you like. Its not like trying to distract from the subject will help you.
You are doing a worse job than Fox News did with with the accusation that Trump tried to fire Comey.
https://youtu.be/1VSHKjjbrfIWhat about these curfews on Swedish women?
You mean that thing that was neither a curfew and that the police said people said people misread into and that they did not mean that at all?
Sure it didn't. You don't care about Sweddisj women because your not the one getting raped.
Fascinating but how is this related to the Hijab and feminism?
@Soterisi agree with u for everything you said except for the part where you said it may be a means to oppress people. i feel like you should recive mho cuz of ur answer but the asker lady doesn't think so... so nvmMrs. Asker LadyHow in the world does the hijab and feminism have anything to do with women being raped in sweden?
@Safa_Malfoy Dont expect too much. This is a troll that has posted a lot of inflammatory questions for no real good reason. The most you get out of this one is cookie cutter responses and video links.. apparently...
@Soteris lol okay
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I think you need to read more. The hijab is a way of controlling women and has been for a long time. I personally find that it can be beautiful and show innocence but I can't deny the oppression behind it. In the 50's you could see women in bikini in KSA and Iran but that would be impossible now. This is not only middle east. Most poor countries or countries with dictators have women under oppression. I've seen it first hand.
I have lived there, and while some women want to remove their hijab but can’t do it because of how the society might treat her no one is forcing anyone to do anything, and the vast majority of Muslim women are happy with their hijab, the idea that women in the Middle East are liberating themselves by taking off their hijab is ridiculous and it’s equally ridiculous to say that western Muslim women (the ones hanging on to their hijabs) are voluntarily being oppressed, why should you or I tell a women what piece of clothing is freeing and what is not. It’s not religion that’s preventing them from taking off their hijab it’s tradition, and tradition will never be compulsory.
Give this man MHO! Finally someone with common sense.
And yet aljajeera says otherwise
Thank you @9teen
@Asker if you are one of the people who blindly believe what they see on aljazeera or any other media outlet without investigating yourself, then you are part of the problem.
Says the guy that spent time in the middle East that they want you to see
I don’t know whats that supposed to mean, but either way stop judging people and their ideologies from the comfort of your home, unless you’ve witnessed it firsthand you have no basis to debate the subject.
It means you missed the stonings
What stoning? If I hadn’t seen it while living there myself, how can you be so sure it exists? Unlike you I have done my research and stoning only existed in the old age, and it’s was the punishment for adultery. Whether adultery deserves this punishment is not our point here.Bottom line is if you’re not going to debate your own thoughts rather than what the media says don’t bother replying.
All those women rights workers in the middle East must be lying becsuse you didn't see it
Wait, your reply to me contradicts itself? You are literally agreeing with what I'm saying when you say that they can't remove because of how society will treat them. That doesn't leave much choice. I know women that have been severely punished for just small things like that. So your argument that they are not forced is simply not true. Women can wear it if they want that's not the issue. The issue is the pressure to wear it, with in some countries risking grave punishments if not complying. The women in East that protest, protest for the right too choose, they protest for freedom not about the stupid hijab. Not sure how that is ridiculous. The way they do it maybe seems weird for us but removing their hijab in public can come with a big punishment. These protests are in Iran which has a law that women must wear hijab. So it's a big deal to remove it in public.
@simon in no arab country is there a law that women must cover. Iran isn't an arab country nor does it follow the same religion (it follows a sect). In KSA most women are covered because traditions expects them to do so. It's not the law nor the religion forces. Not all Saudi women cover their faces as well like the media portrays. Fact is many dont. If you've been or knew arab people you wouldve known that there are a lot of arab women who dont cover themselves up and those who do, do it because they want to not because they're 'oppressed'. The middle east is really big, it's not only ksa and iran. There are generally no cases where women get bad treatment just because they dont cover up especially with the law involved. In fact it's forbidden to treat women bad according to their laws. Sadly just like anywhere in the world it still happens behind closed doors and vice versa ( general abuse).
I'm not sure whether it's a law in Iran but I totally agree with you if it is the case It's a stupid law but what could I else expect from a country who follows a backwards sect? They've ridiculous rules.
Iran is a Muslim country the dispute between shia and sunni is ridiculous. Hopefully with time the past will not make you enemies anymore. You should stick together as Muslims. It's not much different from the different groups among jews or Christians.KSA has other problems with women though but I think they are slowly going the right direction. I'm not judging middle eastern countries or its people. Many countries that are poor or ruled by dictators have old laws or very conservative traditions and culture. It's mostly about education and allowing a country to evolve. These things will die out.
To say there are no problems would be a lie. Every country has problems but for many middle eastern/Asian countries besides other problems is the way women are treated or what role they currently have. It's just the truth. My country has other problems and we just in the past 50 years managed to make it much more free for women. It will happen in the rest of the world too, those countries have often just been unfortunate of being in conflict a lot or been under control of other countries. They just need time.
Haha you mean shiism and sunnism? The difference between those two are so big, you could call shiism a new religion. They aren't 'muslims' as in muslims. They're different, they're shiïts. There are many contradictions between shiism and sunnism. Sunnism is know as the real islam and is followed by a big majority. Shiism is a sect which is followed mainly by Persians. They literally ridicule the prophet and see his cousin as a god. Look I'm not saying you're totally wrong. I'm saying theyre not as oppressed as you think they are. For most women a hijab is a choice not something they must wear.It's not the truth. Of course countries still have their own problems but we were talking about the law. Women are generally treated well to the point they're just called princess but I understand if you have another view since the media has a big influence on forming people's opinions.
I'm not denying that there are households who treat women bad (just like everywhere) but then again this has nothing to do with the law but with personal problems.Ksa is indeed moving into the right direction. That women weren't allowed to drive had to do with their tradition and their old people. It indeed changes with the time. On the other hand saudi women could afford way more than a regular western woman can and their families spoil them since birth. They don't have to pay any bills and could keep their money for themself.
I'm talking about middle east as a whole and a lot of Asian countries. I don't follow media so much. I've seen bride kidnapping first hand which resulted in her being raped and forced to marry. She is the best friend of someone really close to me and I was visiting during that time.The culture has just not had time to evolve and conflict, corruption and other things makes it go slower.I know sunni and shia has differences but that is bound to happen in any religion. Some think one way or another. You still worship the same God. Not to offend you but I couldn't care much about the different prophets. Humans lie and deceive. If I would believe in something it wouldn't be the words of a man. That will probably offend you but my point is that maybe realize that you both in the end want the same and ultimately believe in the same thing. You believe in Allah, personally I'd think Allah is the most important.
I never claimed I do and I disagree with you. Allah means God by the way. It's just the arabic word for it and Christianity and Judaism is certainly not like sunnism just like shiism ain't like it. I also know people who are from a certain race who experienced something bad within their race, should I assume the whole race is like that? It doesn't make sense.Anyway good day mate. ( I have no interest in continuing haha as I know people only see things from their own perspective and would do anything to defend it, even when the other proves right and actually experiences it. I don't like to waste too much time on it. Don't bother to reply as I won't read nor answer.)
@9teen I couldn’t have said it any better, thank you.@simonqq Islamic sectors are irrelevant to this topic, really the idea is that it’s not what the media portrays it to be, people are happy and they’re practicing their god given right to wear whatever they want, you don’t believe me go see for yourself, I’m sure your intentions are good and you’d hate to see people being oppressed but your activism is actually harmful to the fabric of society without a deeper understanding of the subject.Have a good day everybody.
ayyyeeeeeeeeee @Jack-Shepard !!!you go mate!!!
Lol, a bit late to the party.