@Goddess_Gag18 HAHA and MHO? Nothing else?
He said it was specifically to not lose our democracy. He's not saying it for the sake of just making him look bad. He just thinks Trump is going to take away our democracy. You can disagree with him on that point, but you have to understand the context. Your comment implies that you think it was simply to discredit Trump and that's just not true. It's not what he said, at all.
@MovingOnAgain So please explain to me, how you see it? Was I just over-reacting?
My previous comment didn't explain to you how I see it?I agree with your point, it's better that the economy doesn't crash. Our difference lies in our understanding of the reason Maher said what he did. Maher does NOT want the economy to crash JUST to discredit Trump. If that were the case, I could understand your initial reaction. But you're making Maher out to be worse than what he already is. Maher wants the economy to crash so that we won't ultimately lose our democracy under Trump. And although that's still a bad way of Maher seeing it, I don't see reason to overreact to that line of reasoning. We can disagree with it, but I don't see much need to overreact.Does this make sense? He essentially wants the economy to crash so that people still have some power over government and elections because he believes Trump would remove us of that power. That's the best way I can think of to say it.
@MovingOnAgain No, it didn't explain it, at all! This Pretentious Bastard, said "the bottom has to fall out, and I am hoping for it!!' and 'please bring on the recession-sorry if that hurts people"REALLY!! He is ENCOURAGING and openly saying he WANTS the economy to crash!!Only a rich, pretentious arrogant FCK, like Bill Maher would say that, because he couldn't care less about the AVERAGE American, those STRUGGLING to get by, on minimum wage, working several jobs!!What does this rich Prick care if there is a recession, again, and millions lose their jobs!!How can you just see this as 'context' or some kind of 'dark' comedic rhetoric? He is a total PRICK, and SOULLESS saying that!! He won't suffer, but millions would!
You still don't really seem to understand the point I'm trying to make. Alright, I think I found a better way to illustrate my point. To Bill Maher, there are two choices: Economy crashes or we lose our democracy under Trump. Which is worse? Economy crashes or no democracy?Let me say it this way to better articulate my point. To Bill Maher, we have 2 choices moving forward:1) We lose our democracy under Donald Trump2) The economy crashes and people will realize that Trump is the blame.Both of these scenarios have a consequence towards the American people that you respect. We will either lose our democracy or the economy will crash. In BOTH scenarios, Americans will suffer INCLUDING Bill Maher. Maher simply means that he believes that losing our democracy is a greater tragedy than the economy crashing, so he prefers the economy to crash. He even says "I'm sorry if people suffer", as if to say it is not his intention. It's really not as bad as you make it out to be. Make sense? :/
Whoops, sorry for repetition on my last comment.
@MovingOnAgain DUh!! I got that suggestion, but it is irrelevant, and not exclusionary!! Just because Trump stays in office, DOES NOT, IN ANY WAY MEAN OUR DEMOCRACY will be lost?That is like saying unless apples become oranges, the sky will turn Purple!! It is utter fallacy!!!How can you ague, in ANY LOGICAL, MEANINGFUL WAY, with ANY SUPPORT AT ALL, that Trump staying in office will lead to the downfall of our 'Democracy'?I agree that he has an Agenda, and he has not shared details of that! I agree, he seems to have made several bad decisions, but what if you just wait, and what if these seemingly crazy things, coalesce and turn out to benefit the US, and Global trade?Sometimes the status quo needs to be upset, and over-turned, to find a new, better way!You are supporting something that is not even a Logical Argument!! I think that if the Economy fails, so does our Democracy!! What FOOL would encourage the crash of the economy? Think it through!! Ours affects the WORLD!!
Dude, I said before that I agree with you, I never supported Bill Maher lol. All I'm saying is that you overreacted. Your initial comment said:- "ANTI-AMERICAN ASSHOLE"- "WHAT A TOTAL, HORRIBLE ASSHOLE!!!"- "POMPUS FUCKING D-BAG"All of this seems to suggest that you believe he DESIRES to hurt people. But that is not at all the case. He would be hurting people unintentionally, not on purpose. He isn't an asshole, he's simply making an uneducated decision. An asshole wouldn't care for the American people, but he never gives reason for us to believe that he doesn't care for them. We assume that. He apologized if an economic class WOULD hurt people. That's not asshole-ish. His entire point is simply uneducated, not asshole-ish. Hence, I believe you overreacted with your first comment. He was wrong in what he said, but you seemed to have gone a bit into the deep end yourself because none of the words you said, initially, reflect what he said in the video.
off* the deep end.
And you called him a PRICK and SOULLESS.
@MovingOnAgain I don't feel like I over-reacted, at all!! Such little things cause HUGE CRASHES on the stock market! Someone like Bill, saying this, can start a chain of events that leads to another MAJOR RECESSION!! I am not attacking you, personally, but disagreeing with how you seem to see this as a simple 'no big deal' thing, when such little things can start a cascade of fear, in the stock market, and actually cause the fall, that Bill suggests!!'Dude!! I have NOTHING against you, personally, and I can totally imagine us debating, over a good dark ale, at a Pub, much like some of the Founders did, 250 years ago!
Oh, of course an economic crash is a big deal. I wouldn't blame you for overreacting about the economic crash, I just question overreacting about the part that he's an asshole because I didn't see him acting as one in the video, that's all.
@MovingOnAgain Nothing against you, personally, OK? Never personal, when I post things like this. We can be totally cool, just disagreeing.Personally, I find Bill a little different in his opinions than I like, too often, and seldom watch him. If I did 'Over-react' it was jumping on the wagon, of hating on him!! from our discourse, I assume you interpreted that.
He's a comedian who said an off the cuff remarks on his show. It's hyperbolic humor. If you press him on it, he won't double down on it
@Armourdillo Ahh, I see. Boy he sure did ruffle feathers!
It's kind of funny seeing conservatives get offended in the same manner they accuse 'liberals" of being offended
@Armourdillo Yea. My feathers got ruffled!
If the economy flourishes (for the average person too) and trump gets kicked out I'm sure Bill would prefer that. His statement has context. The way the economy is growing, it's a bubble. Production isn't up, numbers are up because of stock trading. The rich are playing their stock games, and it's not sustainable, it's setting the stage for a second recession, but when the market is up, people seem to feel it's good for everyone not just the rich, so he said "I hope the bottom goes out" it seems that's when trump supporters will see it was all a big joke because they can't see it now. When the stock indexes go up, that isn't helping us, it's helping the traders
Let me rewrite that last part. When the stock indexes gonup it doesn't help the small business owner or the coal miner, or the Walmart employee, it helps the wall street traders.
@Armourdillo And that's very true. It's the working class that keep getting poorer as thats been happening since the dawn of time.
@Armourdillo yet unemployment is down and wages are rising. The firm i work for is stingy AF, but not only did the tax bill give me $500 more a year, the firm gave me a raise a few months after.
The tax bill doesn't go into effect until next year. But cutting taxes for the rich and deregulation of banks and stock trading has always led to economic growth bubbles followed by a depression or recession.
Are many middle class people benefitting? Sure, but that 500$ the government saved you from taxes, it's nice, but in 10 years the cuts will be reversed while big buinsesses keep theirs. Keep in mind the largest spending bill was passed right after the largest tax cut was passed. Short term solutions won't solve that
I hear ya.. I do well for myself and own a few properties here and there.. and don't care much for our POTUS... but this is a horrible thing to hope for... I guess he's a rich, famous white man so it does not make him no difference.. he'll be ok.. and yes I said white.. cause that makes a difference.. black and rich does not mean shit lol. Sorry just being honest.
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Stocks doing well means buisnesses do well, not nessesarily the average employees.
Disney is doing AMAZING but they have employees living on starvation wages. The economy tells part of the story. Millions of people are in student debt, people can't retire, but buisnesses are doing well for themselves, and the peosple rich enough to play stocks.
Well yeah if you give billions of dollars in tax write offs that's going to be good for business. It's horrible for the dollar and inflation.Trump wasn't in charge of that by the way. The republican senators were. Trump was the one talking about taxing the rich more during the campaign and draining the swamp. Weird we don't hear about that anymore. 😕
Yea tbh some of candidate Trump's idea we're great, senate term limits, expanded Medicaid, cheaper and better health care for all. Sounded impossible, guess it was.
He's broken a ton of promises he's made and he's doubled down on all the things he's promised that would appeal to his core fan base. I don't see him getting elected again unless democrats don't turn out to vote. Which seems near impossible to me after what he's already done.He's an absolutely terrible leader. I have no idea how he managed to be successful in large scale real estate.The dude is unwilling to even be briefed when he knows pretty much nothing about foreign policy at all. He's not willing to do much work at all. He likes playing king.
Yea, it's truly sad. The saddest part is how his base threw out all their standards for what a leader is.
What's sad is all the leaders on the republican side who aren't necessarily part of his base will defend everything he does even though they know its either a lie or morally corrupt. They have no problems sleeping at night even though the person in head of the country is absolutely devoid of any morals and is a textbook narcissist.
@Armourdillo the republican party was the noble loser party anyways. He was a far better choice than kasich or rubio or bush.
In my opinion, the other person trump was better than was ted Cruz. The others have dignity and wouldn't launch us into a 24/7 news cycle with circus politics that divde us as a nation.
One thing I agree with trump on is when he said "how can we have a leader who's being investigated by the FBI"
More jobs than people.
@Armourdillo as i said, the party of noble losers. You're right, kasich or rubio or bush would not have ruffled their bow ties as they helped the usa become mexico north.
@Armourdillo the russia gate is funny. The dnc paid for a fictional dossier to serve as an excuse to investigate trump until they hopefully find anything illegal. "We'll just investigate for years and hopefully find some crime." because they know if they just investigated bush or obama or clinton long enough something would come up--so they assume trump is as dirty as them and if they hound it long enough they will find something to justify the hunt. 😂
@RationalMale Are you ignorant? He's being investigated by the FBI the head of the FBI is republican.
@Caaarl he's being investigated by robert mueller, who was director of the fbi under bush and obama. Not to mention the investigation started under obama--and the fbi even leaked a report to the media, then lied and used the media report as false evidence for their investigation. They're literally juat digging for anything, hoping they can find some reason, any reason, to basically undo the election.
@RationalMale So what if he was head of the FBI under Obama. The FBI isn't the same as the rest of the government they're supposed they're not the ones who involve themselves in politics. They're just trying to get the information on illegal activity. Mueller did some thing that hurt the democratic party badly. They started to bring up the investingation on Hillary right in the middle of the election. He did what he felt was right reguardless of what was happening.To say that the investingation has no merit when Trump had close ties to Russian oligarchs during the campaign is absolutely ridiculous. His son brought them over and said he'd like if the Russians shared dirt on Hillary.
@RationalMale Trump tried to halt the investigation on by firing the head of the FBI.Let's say that there is nothing wrong and Trump is completely clean. If he let the investigation go through then that would prove it. They are pulling the wool over your eyes. It's not a witch hunt they have legitimate reasons to believe that an investigation should take place. Do you know how many members of his campaign had ties to Russia? Way too many.
Trump is trying to discredit the campaign to manipulate the public into believing he's clean.
@Caaarl comey was a corrupt clinton lackey, of course trump fired him. And no politician dirty or clean would be fine with being investigated--you get trial by media and people assume you're guilty
Fair, but so are Republicans... Sean hannity blasted Obama for being an elitist cuz he asked for Djon mustard on a burger (look it it up it's real) but they celebrate Trump who spends a significant amount Of tax money to go to mar-a-lago to play golf on his personal courses. Trump isn't exactly the average Joe.
@Armourdillo I agree on Hannity. I stopped watching him, cuz he won't say a single bad word about Trump
But seriously, that's pretty extreme...
It's all the same Kool aid, drink up
I also think that whether the thought leaders say they disagree with him or not their primary concern would be to rid the presidency of trump and that if crashing the economy would do it they would oblige.
Thought leaders of the leftists.
"thought leaders" He's a comedian.
@Armourdillo You need to bone up on your English comprehension
@Armourdillo him being a comedian isn’t an excuse.
Technically he’s not just a comedian. He’s a former comedian turned partisan political pundit that uses his rather large pulpit to trumpet his message and ideas. I happen to think Maher is one of the conservatives best weapons because of the things he says which are a mix of jest and seriousness. Much in the same way Pelosi and Bill Clinton are.
That's just hyperbolic. But if putting Bill Maher on the same level as actual leaders helps your case, go for it. I'm confused, on your point though, if they're helping conservatives why are you complaining and not cheering them on?
I guess we have a difference of opinions, I watch his show and take it with a grain of salt, he says stupid shit off the cuff, kind of like Trump. But one guy is President and the other hosts a TV show.
@Armourdillo lol. Ok. I suggested that you work on your English comprehension.. you didn’t so I’ll explain it to you.I never referred to Maher as a thought leader. I said that the thought leaders seem to think like him.Further, Maher has a large platform. You seem to think small of him and many people do but that isn’t the same as recognizing that he has a platform and that he uses it to say ridiculous things not in the context of being a comedian but being a pundit because he puts together panels of many types to discuss the issues of the day. How s words are being weaponized against the liberal agenda. Just like the words of actual party leaders who say similarly ridiculous things. Some examples would be Bill Clinton, Hillary, Nancy Pelosi Keith Ellison, any number of leftist pundits at major publications. Anytime you get any highly visible face saying ridiculous things it simply reinforces the out of touch nature of the political left and it will be weaponized to reinforce
That makes sense, so should we take Alex Jones as serious thought leader of the right? I get your point, being a public figure gives you a bigger platform to voice your ideas which reach certain parts of the base. So should we put Alex Jones under the same category that we are putting Maher under?
If you're offended at what Bill Maher says or feel his off the cuff remarks help conservatives, I'm curious as to what you think of Alex Jones.
@Armourdillo sure be my guest. I really don’t care what you do.
What do you think about Alex Jones? I'm just asking, because I feel he's in a similar position to Bill Maher but as a conservative thought leader not liberal.
@Armourdillo feel free to explain the differences between Alex jones and Bill MaherFirst they are roughly equally looney. Though I’d give the edge to Alex.But the differences... one has a small contingent of followers online. You know where brilliant minds converge. And the other has a national show on hbo where he has millions of viewers and regularly has prominent figures of the left on his show. So feel free to try to use Alex Jones however you want. No one really cares.
That's my point lol, why are we as society legitmizing bill Maher as a political pundit and thought leader but not Alex Jones?
It just seems like you disagree with Maher, and when he says something stupid you can use it to write off ALL "liberals" as the same. Chalking up every human as a liberal or conservative doesn't so anyone any favors.
Alex Jones may have less fans, but by no means does he have a small following. Jones'' fans are marginally more polarized and dangerous. There was a significant amount who took his Sandy Hook conspiracy to heart and harassed the families of victims. I haven't really heard of people harassing others in the name of bill Maher.
@Armourdillo I don't know why don’t you ask the liberals? You’ve honed in on exactly why his words can be weaponized. Because he is legitimized by the left. While the right largely mocks his retardedness. I don’t watch him and I’m openly critical of him. I’m not legitimizing him by pointing out how his words are perceived and will be used against the left. It is because the left legitimizes his platform that makes it possible.So if you as a liberal don’t like it then deal with it among the like minded.
Define liberal and conservative then, because I don't think either group is a hive mind that all blindly belive in the same things. It's much more complicated than that
I consider myself more "liberal" than conservative because I feel the government should play a role in promoting the general welfare of the public. That being said, because I identify as a "liberal" does this mean to you that I embody everything Bill Maher or Nancy Pelosi says?
@Armourdillo I agree with that. There are degrees, however. Do you see Alex jones with a weekly show on a major cable and online distribution channel and millions watching every week? Do you see Alex jones getting regular coverage and endorsement in the form of interviews and panelists from mainstream lconservatives? No, in fact Alex jones gets regularly derided in the mainstream right (and rightfully so). I largely believe there is a core center of democrats and republicans that are actually very very reasonable and willing to work together and compromise. I also believe that the liberal left is doing a very good job of splitting the Democratic Party into various pieces that puts at risk a meaningful coalition in the moderate segment of the party that can appeal to both dems and Republicans. People like Bill Maher aggravate that split. Where they should have an easy run because of trump they are having challenges.
And further. I don’t think that the entirety of democrats think like Bill Maher or Nancy Pelosi. That is precisely why I think their comments are damaging. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think less of democrats. I would be willing to vote for the right centrist dem but my entire point here is that there are no centrist dems in the leadership on the left. When Nancy Pelosi is considered centrist you have a very far left party.
Tbh I don't think most people who consider themselves Democrats are love with Pelosi. You're right though, establishment Democrats don't respresent "liberal" ideas well.
Are in love*
Pretty good here.
All Canadians hope for this?
Actually, the Canadian economy depends solely upon the United States. Imports and exports. It would bring Canada down too
Trump is determined to bring our economy down anyway.
@adamjanovic it’s called fair trade. Only an extremist mental case would want to see people suffer for their own ego.
How can you agree with a Seditionist ASSBAG, that is essentially calling for the destruction of the US Economy, SIMPLY to satisfy his petty need to displace a President with an agenda that is not open, and apparent, but may result in a prosperity, for Trade, among nations, on a level table, without bias.Crash the US Economy, and Canada follows.. . Then the world. . .
I think the 'Jury is still out' on that!! He has some 'Business' sense, that maybe a lot don't understand!!Also, MANY of the trade agreements made by past administrations put the US at a disadvantage!! What if he is using his 'business sense' and maybe he is RIGHT, getting out of these bad treaties from past Administrations?I willing to let him PROVE IT!! What is so wrong with a strong AMERICA, and employment, and our own industry, manufacturing, here, and not over seas?