Yeah!You should have on-the-spot executions for speeding, next!
@goaded Wait. What?
The punishment doesn't fit the crime. It should.
@goaded I don't follow...
You drive over the speed limit and get caught; you expect a ticket and a fine.You enter the country illegally, to be able to ask for asylum, you expect to be heard and possibly, even probably, sent out of the country.You do not expect your car to be destroyed.You do not expect your child to be ripped from your arms.
@goaded I don't think we destroy their cars. And if you know this is going on and come in ILLEGALY anyways then why do they expect to be treated well? Ask at the BORDER. Not once you've broken US law. That really doesn't make sense.Knocking on the door is far less dangerous than breaking and entering and expecting not to be shot. I mean seriously.
You seem to think that destroying someone's car is worse than taking away their child.Maybe they expect to be treated well because that's what's promised the the government?www.uscis.gov/.../affirmative-asylum-process"To apply for asylum in the U. S., you must be physically present in the U. S. or seeking entry into the U. S. at a port of entry."www.uscis.gov/.../obtaining-asylum-united-states"Affirmative asylum applicants are rarely detained by U. S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). You may live in the United States while your application is pending before USCIS. If you are found ineligible, you can remain in the United States while your application is pending with the Immigration Judge. Most asylum applicants are not authorized to work."
@goaded Okay. So then what's the big deal? What's going on? Are they coming in illegaly or does the law allow for that? Make up your mind.
What was going on was that people were coming the country in good faith, and finding themselves separated from their children and locked up. Now they just get locked up with their children.
@goaded Okay... How did they come in? Legally or illegally?Illegally. So being locked up and sent back out should'nt come as a surprise.
"being locked up and sent back out" wan't a surprise, having their children taken away from them was.
@goaded Trump signed the form. That's not happening anymore! Why are you so mad?And BESIDES. If you break into someone's house with your CHILD. And the person finds you. I don't think their main concern will be keeping you and your child together while they kick you the hell out. They're main concern probably won't be your or their safety either. So best to just damn KNOCK on the DOOR like you're supposed to. Instead of breaking the law.
Why am I so mad? Because it ever happened!If I asked why you were so mad after I stopped punching you in the face, what would you say, you idiot?
@goaded I would say why were you punching me in the face when I didn't do anything against you?Thing is that this is different because THEY are in the wrong. Not Trump.It would be like ME asking YOU why are you mad after I tied your hands together to keep you from punching me. After I also untied them so they aren't tied anymore. See the difference and why this confuses me?
Omg thank you, you are one of the few I see actually get it.
@miiki No one here says that girl was taken by Trump. Most comments here actually say that they're aware she wasn't taken from her parents. The point is that they're separating families. Why? What did the kids even do?
thank god there are people on here that know the truth
@MovingOnAgain I didn't say that anyone was taken Trump. Where did you get this from? They're separating them because the parents decided to make a decision that would ultimately put themselves and their children in danger. The parents are the ones to truly blame, if anything. And now their kids have to pay for their decision.
@miiki Exactly, now the kids have to pay for the parents decision... does that not seem wrong to you? Is this what we settled with, taking away someone else's children? You can be against illegal immigration, but this has less to do with illegal immigration and more to do with TAKING CHILDREN FROM THEIR ENTIRE FAMILY, NOT JUST THEIR PARENTS. What do the kids have to do with this? Why is this a policy?
When I mentioned that the girl wasn't actually taken from her family, I was responding to Natalie. The rest was to you. She had said, "That girl wasn’t actually taken from her family." No one believed she was.
Regardless of it seeming "wrong" so is the fact of crossing illegally. If there was no illegal crossing, then there would not be anything to worry about. There are always going to be repercussions. It's been a policy for a while, why now make a big deal about it. Why just now get all mad. It's sad to see people get separated, but when they decided to come illegally, it was expected.
@miiki Yes, crossing illegally is bad, but a punishment must equate to the criminal act. If you took steal candy from a store, you deserve punishment, just not the death penalty. And yet, for so many parents, losing a child is EVEN WORSE than capital punishment. I do not argue that there should be punishment towards people who come here illegally, I get that. But the children are victims. They have nothing to do with this. NOTHING. And yet, they are taking THEM. If this happened before, I would be just as mortified. However, when this started doesn't matter. I don't care if Trump started it, Obama started it, or whoever, IT MUST STOP.
He isn’t as bad? That’s why he threw paper towels at Puerto Rico, why he is drilling oil where it shouldn’t go, ripping families apart, supporting white supremacism, wanting to make the rich pay less taxes so that the poor have to pay more, speaking about women in unprofessional terms... because he’s “not as bad as everyone makes him seem?” Oh my goodness, you are very ignorant!!!
Oh yeah and encouraging the killing of elephants for their tusks and causing so many more animals to be endangered... because he’s “not as bad as everyone makes him seem” Hahahaha that’s a good one
@hsshannah96 you’re still butthurt that he won. Get over it
I'm sorry to say, but if the only thing you have to say is that she's butthurt for him having won, then you've lost all credibility. Nothing substantial in that comment, it's simply an assumption.
P. S.: I don't think I've ever heard someone tell someone else "Get over it" with someone actually getting over it. It's probably the most pointless saying in the English language. I mean this as a form of criticism and not insult, but I would recommend you practice not saying these things as they serve no point. It's simply used to spur on an argument and make you look good, but brings nothing positive to the table.
@MovingOnAgain I agree with you, I just said that because I don’t think it’s worth it to continue explaining everything
Lmao, I was saying the exact opposite. It is comical, but Obama had made America go into a downfall, and with promises never fulfilled. Trump actually did what he said, and had worked to keep us safe from foreign threats. Our recent conference with Kim Jong Un should suffice. I'm also thankful your leaving soon. 💕
No problem hun ☺️
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I read the child was not even separated from her/his parents. :)) makes me laugh at the propaganda. fake news at its best. We will use this random child crying and say children are being separated from families to manipulate people into hating Trump. It will turn out the child in question was just a random child crying, but we will divert anyway and say "it must have happened somewhere, we don't care, Trump sucks, America rules, run and scream for your lives, burn this shit down ". These are the interest groups in the background trying to sink the ship if they cannot run it. Look at Europe countries like Hungary, Czech Republic, Poland, now Romania. Transparency for the news outlets. Everyone presenting information (given it can create emotions, it can create hatred, it can manipulate) should provide a statement of where they get their money from. Just like politicians. This way the reader knows if that news outlet or publication might have an agenda.
You would think I'd have learned that B parentheses and 3 parentheses translated to emojis. I have not. Disregard. The satisfied eyes closed smiley is unintentional.
As is the sunglasses one.
That particular child wasn't taken, but thousands of others were; do you think they were happier?The red is standard for Time magazine, they often get accused of using the M as devil's horns on people.I haven't seen data on whether 1 works; I've seen "most" people with a GPS tracker turn up, but it could be 50.1%, I haven't seen headlines like "nearly half of asylum seekers don't attend their hearings", and I suspect that if those numbers were out there, they'd be broadcast loud and clear.None of your four options seems to be split the families up...If they could point at real numbers, that haven't been inflated by some other policy decision of theirs, I might be convinced of the latest policy, but, like you, never of the Sessions' one.
No one said that girl was taken from her parents. No one here even thinks that :|
MovingOnAgain, No, most people will assume the girl was taken away from her parents contrary to what it actually is. The whole point of the magazine cover was to make people think she's was crying after being taken away. In the end, she was just thirsty and hungry.
Well, that is to say most people in the left.
@JustALonelySoul I have no doubt some people will think that across the globe, all I'm saying is that NO ONE HERE said that she was taken from her family. But hell, I'll extend an olive branch. Even IF EVERYONE here thought she was taken from her family, that doesn't change the fact that they are taking kids from their families. Because honestly, if the only thing you are thinking about is "Time Magazine is lying about that PARTICULAR girl being taken away from her family" rather than "children are being taken away from their families", then I believe you are missing the entire point of the magazine cover.Why would the point of the cover be about one girl, when they've taken over 2000 children? The point of the cover is that she REPRESENTS the 2000 children, not that she's one of them. And yet, all you guys see is "She wasn't taken, fake news!" Yeah, she wasn't... 2000 others were. That's the point.
The way I see it, if you want to enter the U. S, just be a legal citizen. That solves all your issues. It might be hard at times, but we need to document people and protect national security. I think entering illegally should be have some punishment, though it should be a case by case basis of course.After Trumps new executive order, kids are no longer being separated, I'm sure the rest will be reunited as long as they didn't commit worse crimes. I'm sympathise with the families and wish them the best, I hope they learn to come here legally instead, where they can proceed to develop a happy and fruitful life for themselves.
@JustALonelySoul With that, I can 100% agree. It's just a really fucked up position for a lot of those families. I can totally understand that they have to arrive here legally, but a lot of them also have no money to their name and simply want to escape an either war-torn country or a country who's government has failed them, in which they're barely making it by each day. To become a citizen in this country, it takes more than 6 months and at times over some years. It's understandable why some families can't wait that long to protect their families. How far would you go for your loved ones? But I get it, there also needs to be consequences to enter illegally. It just sucks that both sides of the aisle would suffer for reasons that can be empathized with. It feels like a lose/lose situation for both the country and the immigrants.
@JustALonelySoul Are you serious? You don't want any tourists?
I agree, it's messed up and I truly do feel sorry for them. If they can prove, under certain conditions, that they are eligible for asylum they can do that and become a refugee. They may not become a citizen, but while they are here they could possibly apply for it.
I didn't say anything about tourists, that's a whole other thing. If they are tourists, they aren't illegal, just visitors that could also apply for citizenship.
@JustALonelySoul Unfortunately, it's more difficult then that to some people. I remember reading an article about a woman trying to get away from her country, as she was being chased by some mob or gang (can't remember the smaller details too well). I think she was even raped by the group. She was hoping to find safety in the U. S., but she needed to show evidence of her being in danger... But she didn't have evidence. She was ultimately turned down. 3 months later or so, she was found dead.That pisses me off. I can only imagine when her life is in danger and she's as traumatized as she was, she did everything she could to find a way to enter into the U. S. She was standing on our front doorstep. And we could have saved an innocent life. And again, I get it, we can't allow everyone to stay without verification, but that's not tolerable. And I feel like taking kids only adds on to the misery of this world. They are as innocent as that woman.
I'm all for minor (and I really mean minor) adjustments to the current law in helping some people enter with more ease who can't afford it, maybe further investigation could have helped the poor woman. However we can't alter law to the extent it creates horrific incidents on our side.
@JustALonelySoul I believe it will only create horrific incidents if we don't take into account all possibilities. I'm not saying minor adjustments are bad, it may very well be all that's necessary... but I don't feel comfortable with sticking to the current system with minor tweaks if the very foundation of a system can be proven to have it's own fair share of flaws. I'm for making minor tweaks, but if very little changes, start back from the ground up.
I believe the system needs to stay in place as it's probably the most effective way of protecting the country, any large scale changes could very well mean the end of our protection and be a major threat to many, many more lives than just that woman.
@JustALonelySoul It appears we agree to disagree, but this was a lot more civil than the regular online discussion, so kudos to us lol.
@MovingOnAgain Look at the comments two up from here... Nobody? ... You gonna stand by that statement and look even more retarded?
@D_Bone_Steak Stand by that statement? I said we agreed to disagree. So no, I didn't stand by his statement. And regardless, even if I did, there's no reason to insult anyone, man.
@MovingOnAgain I only said you look retarded... I guess I should of phrased it more like, "you know how better informed individuals perceive of you right?" I'm sorry but there's just too many parrots repeating Democratic owned television media and thinking they must be right... they heard it on T. V. after all... lolz. It makes me want to hand out some red pills... the frustration with propaganda actually working on so many is what makes me rude. ... and for that... sorry dude.
@D_Bone_Steak Legit, I have no idea what you are even trying to say by the first sentence. Everything else, I think you misunderstood. You assumed I was listening to Democratic television, when I dislike both Democrat and Republican propaganda. They both have their share of lies. Both sides are essentially the same shit, different smell. Don't bring republicans or democrats or anything of the sort into the conversation. This isn't a Democrats vs Republican issue. All I'm saying is that taking children away from parents is bad. That's it. That's literally it. How is that Democratic propaganda?
@MovingOnAgain How you ask... This is something that was started by Clinton, continued through Bush and Obama's terms and then it gets brought up and painted as if Trump is the reason it was going down to begin with, conveniently, right before the midterms. Now we have groups of people that call themselves the 'Democratic Socialists' disrupting a Mexican meal in a restaurant just like they do at a Jordan Peterson event (they too were also spouting misinformation as they screeched. That's how it's a bipartisan thing.I too am not part of the Democrat/Republican camps... it's all bullshit. Trump is actually a Democrat that knew he'd never get a chance to run on the side he was financially donating to for so long... he switch and made it. A lot of the people that call themselves Democrat at one point are not even the problem... it's the far left causing all the noise. You know the Socialist/communist left where race, sexuality, gender, and so on replaced the lower class/upper class hate.
@MovingOnAgain What's getting my goat is how all this fake news are being so successful at blinding the general public of the truths and painting it all anti-POTUS in a desperate bid to flood the states with people that will vote for the socialist ideals. It's as if the only people really informed about current politics are balls deep into the internet. Television is cancer and most of the papers are as well... And Soros probably donates to them.
@D_Bone_Steak You started your entire reasoning as if you were going to answer my question, but you didn't. This is what I said, "All I'm saying is that taking children away from parents is bad. That's it. That's literally it. How is that Democratic propaganda?" And you said: Clinton started this and it went through Bush, then Obama and brought up as if Trump did it to begin with.Your argument is a different topic entirely. It's regarding the idea that Clinton is the one who started separating children. If that's the case, that's fucked up, too! But I'm not blaming Trump for any of this. And yet, you imply that that's what I think by saying that I followed through such Democratic propaganda. I will repeat what I said before: All I'm saying is that separating kids from families is bad. That's it. THAT'S IT. I'm not delivering a blow to Clinton, I'm not delivering a blow to Trump, I don't give a shit whether the left or right started it, it's got to stop. That's IT.
@MovingOnAgain Ah yeah, your right. You're reasonable enough to see how I made that mistake and took the question in a different way... so I won't go into it. Yeah I agree, separating them is fucked up, but there is reasons they do it. A lot of human traffickers liked to bring kids that are not even theirs across (increases their chances of being allowed), so they separate them and try to discern if they're even their kids. I lived in L. A. before and man it sucks to see these people come over with kids and then they just drop them in the streets... no parents and homeless. A street gang is their best choice at that point and the cycle continues. So yeah it sucks I don't like it either, but they don't spend $35,000 per child of tax payer money for no reason during that screening process. Hope I was more on point to answering your question this time.
@D_Bone_Steak If this is the case, I would hope they speak more about this online. All I hear from both sides is that "Trump started this", "Clinton started this", "If conservatives are pro-life, how can they let this happen", "Most democrats don't have children so they can't have an opinion on it" "Well the bible says it's good to follow the law and this is the law, so it's good"... it's all just a whole bunch of fingers being pointed at one another's parties and shit defense. This is the first time I hear about it possibly being for human trafficking, so that definitely, at the very least, adds some reasoning to the separation of kids. Nonetheless, I would imagine the great majority of those kids came with their real parents and I'm hearing Nielson say that the plan is finding a good orphanage for these kids... I'm all for punishing illegal immigrants, but I am not for finding orphanages for the kids that did nothing wrong. Give them back to the family, they are innocent in this.
@MovingOnAgain Yeah, I wished the news would just give plain news like the old days, but they're not bought an paid for by parties and thus are bipartisan af. Watch the second video I posted on my comment and he goes through all the details, thought it is a bit slow and his Romanian accent takes some getting used to.
* "not... bought" or "not, bought"
@MovingOnAgain Watch the 3rd video I just posted as well.
@D_Bone_Steak Wait a minute. You said: "This is something that was started by Clinton, continued through Bush and Obama's terms and then it gets brought up and painted as if Trump is the reason it was going down to begin with"The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996, Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act of 1997, or "The Mexican Exclusionary Act of 1996" legislation was passed by the 104th congress, when both chambers had Republican majorities for the first time since the 1950s.Clinton signed it into law, as a small part of an appropriations bill, and didn't implement it like this. Neither did GW Bush or Obama. Come back when you can tell me how many children were taken from the parents under the law over the 20 years of not-Trump.Until then, this is all Republican, and 99% Trump.
@goaded Dude are you serious... all the videos the media use to show how bad it is... IS FROM THE OMAMA PERIOD!!! You're spewing hoarse shit right now and it's very provable. Plus you're obviously bipartisan af here and attempting to place the burden of proof on me to toil me into submission digging up the counter evidence. I'm not republican or democrat and don't care which party was at fault... so take both your parties and accept their faults. But it's all Trump... great, we know what angle you're playing it then. The one president that's actually changing it... it's all him. But you'll still hate him. Fine... you command me to come back when I can tell you how many children were taken from parents before trump, despite it BEING THE SAME RATE SINCE CLINTON!!! ... but you want an exact number or else you don't believe anything.... fuck you, you come up with that number smart guy.
@D_Bone_Steak I don't suppose you have proof that the videos are from the Obama period, either. If it's easily provable, prove it!It is not the same rate, at all. If it were, there would have been about a quarter of a million children in camps over the last 20 years.Previous presidents did not implement a zero tolerance policy and arrest everybody who came into the country illegally. Not even Bush.
@goaded I have no way to know if the videos I saw are the same you did... and it turns out the Obama administration did not count the number of families separated from their children (convenient)... just thank the POTUS that is putting an end to it (in a hilarious fashion, if they sign papers to just be deported and so on). Yes, zero tolerance is recent. It's a way of enforcing the idea of legal entry only. You do know why they separate the children from their (supposed) parents right? When I was a kid in L. A., I'd see a lot of those kids dropped in the streets, no family, no home, don't even speak English. "Mom" wasn't really his Mother, but that kid sure helped in getting her into the country! At least they screen them a bit better now... live and learn. ... but what's your point? They are breaking the law, so why should I care? The girl in the picture was basically kidnapped by the mother and she left behind all her other kids with the Dad she didn't tell her plans to.
That particular child wasn't taken, but thousands of others were.
@goaded can you stop saying the same fucking thing on every post!!!
@kadegk24 As soon as people stop spouting the same fucking thing on every post!!!
@goaded yes they were and twouldnt you say they are safer now then before in the slums of Mexico... isn’t that why the parents choose to put their kids in there? You do realize the parents choose this... so obviously they are doing what’s best for their kids They have a choice not to cross... but they choose it because it’s the better option
@TripleAce No. Nobody is safer outside the reach of their family unless they're being abused by that family.
@goaded but the parents clearly rather have this option than not... so it must be the better option
It is propaganda because its only half of the truth. The whole truth is that Obama did similar things, but the media never put the pictures on the cover of magazines. You didn't care about "the bigger problem" that existed during the Obama era because the media kept you naive.
This process was started by Clinton, done during Bush, done during Obama, and it just now becomes a problem for some strange reason... and guess what, this president is actually doing something to change that problem. So if you're just being bipartisan here and trying to hate on the President... I'm guessing you get your news from television like the computer illiterate or as hearsay from television viewers.
@YourNextEX how do you know what I cared about when Obama was president? There you go making an those ASSumptions again.
So why didn't you care about it then?
@D_Bone_Steak you too with the ASSumptions. I care about the children. Don't talk to me about bipartisan bullshit or which president started what. These children and the horrific things that are happening to them are what I care about.
@MelaninDoll like I said, keep ignoring the bigger picture and even bigger problem. You don't know me, neither does he. So don't act like you know wtf I cared about when Obama was president.
@D_Bone_Steak why do you assume I didn't? Why do you assume that I'm not aware that all this shit just transfers from one president to the next no matter what party they represent?
That particular child wasn't taken, but thousands of others were.
@Guyana90 Exactly. No one here said that she was taken. The amount of support you have for this comment is worrying because you're all missing the point. It's as @goaded said, she wasn't taken, but over 2000 others were. She is supposed to represent the 2000 kids, she wasn't supposed to be assumed to be one of them. And if all you are seeing is "Time Magazine is lying about that girl being ONE of the children having been taken" rather than "children are being taken", then I would consider you take a step back and reflect on your comment and the reality of those 2000 kids.
Its not on point because to show the trith the image had to show all former presidents who created this law. Trump is just uphelding what is already there until better legislation can be done.
Oh come the fuck on! I will love to see you on the same type of situation and see who you gonna blame. Get outta here troll!
I'd blame the people who caused it, which would be the American governament as a whole having improper migration policies, but part of the blame would be on me for trying to enter the country illegally.
Guess who else also promised to come down hard on illegal immigrants in their campaign... Clinton, Bush, oh, and that's right, Obama also claimed to come down hard on illegal immigrants before he took office. But because we finally have a president who has actually stuck to the claims he made in his campaign, people are pissed. Lol. It's all kinda funny if you ask me.
I dont seriously care at this point in time who did what in th past. I mean does that make it any less wrong? I dont think so. Weak argument. The point is whats happening RiGHT NOW. I know you get the message and I just hope you see it as something wrong. Thats all. And thats the whole point of the image. Straight up your thinking man. by the way 45 sign something to take away the policy. Hope you are happy about that. I am. But until I dont see it happening 45 still trash in these matters.
Well let's think logically here. If you create a crime or disobey a law, you'd expect someone to be punished, yes? Illegal immigrants don't cone over here through the front gate or tell people they are here illegally, right? No, because they know it's ILLEGAL. They know getting deported is a likely cause. They aren't stupid. But they risk splitting up their family to do this illegal act. So when that does happen, do you think the kids are better going back with their parents to Mexico, or staying in America? What do you think the parents thought about when they made this decision?
And it's really annoying listening to you liberals whining about how Trump is bad because he's splitting up families. You don't blame cops for arresting people who have committed crimes. That splits up families as well. Each one is laying down the law, and each person who committed the crime knew there was risk. They made that choice. They knew the possibilities of their actions. Trump didn't just come up with this law. It's been around for a hell of a long time.
I think you are just talking from your white privilege throne. Look out the window and learn some compation and empathy. Even if made law or even a stupid policy (not a law) that doesn't mean is right. And you call me liberal as if that was an insult. Dude.
You should use your given privilege to do good instead of putting people down. Do you think crossing a dessert is like eating your Sunday ice scream? No. Perhaps there is so much more in an immigrants courage than could you will ever feel or understand. Immigrants "illegal" or not, go through hell with the idea to better up their lifes and their loved ones. Start wondering what and where would you be without your privilige. Or your families privilige or your frinds privilege. You should forget about politics and start thinking more human. That will probably make you feel sad, but at least you'll be feeding that cold heart a little empathy.
Liberal is not an insult, it's a way of understanding. And I get why you feel what you do. And I'm not saying you're wrong for having that opinion. However, I am far from a white privileged thrown. Lol. Like extremely far. But no, I won't have compassion or empathy for people who sleep in the bed they made. When I make dumb mistakes that get me into trouble, I blame no one bit myself. I knew the risk. I knew the consequences. I took that gamble. I failed. That's on me. Whether or not it's a dumb law or not, these same people knew the risk and the consequences. That is nobodies fault, but their own. If I had a neighbor who was harboring 13 illegal immigrants, will I call ICE? No. But if they end up getting caught, I'm not gunna defend them either.
Walking across a dessert? Did that in Afghanistan. And we didn't get ice cream. I've done a lot to protect and serve my country. There are no signs saying we don't welcome immigrants. But there are stipulations to become an American citizen. Follow the rules. That's why they come here. Because America has a structure system put in place. America was built on a foundation of laws. And since has made it a wonderful place to live. Which is why so many immigrants come to America. Most just do it legally.
When you have human lifes at risks I dont think that it should be so black and white. The fear to immigrants should sopt asap. Is ridonkulous. Also, walking the dessert fully equipped for the enviroment... please! and also trained to do so, on top of that paid to do so. .. is no comparison. These folks are fleeing terrible living situations. Wouldn't it be nice to just stay in the place you call home because you can survive in it? Some people just dont have the option you know. And they embraced with their hope and cross a continent to find a better life. Whatever better life USA can bring. The admisnitration is even calling on immigrant people who served in the military. I just dont see how there is any respect, or humanity in that type of shit, man.
They are getting rid of illegals, not immigrants in general. And believe me, it's impossible to be an illegal immigrant in the U. S. military. You know why? Because they help you become a citizen. And we were definitely not equipped for walking in a dessert. Pants (tucked in boots, a shirt under a jacket, and carrying a minimum of 45 extra pounds.) and there is no training for what that environment brings, but I get what you're saying. However, they still risk everything coming here illegally. Even the immigrants from the Middle East, come over and apply for citizenship. I'm not saying get rid of Mexicans in general or immigrants. But if you're gunna come here, obey the rules and apply for citizenship.
@jmorrow In your logic people who commit a crime should not be held responsible. Does that mean you would allow asylum in your own home for a woman with child who instead of immigration was a convicted thief who repeatedly robbed homes and treatened people with knives?The people you are defending are not the kind of people you should want in your country, sure they aren't as bad in my more extreme example but they are still extremely selfish and seeking to leech from society. If they want in and got something to contribute they can just apply for citizenship. Actual refugees can typically get asylum but what you are defending are people crossing the border sometimes with a bought or kidnapped child for the sole purpose of leeching on your society.If you dont do something about it you end up like Europe, crime and especially rape is skyrocketing here compared to what it used to be. Not because they give tempoary asylum but because they let all of them stay.
Accidentally clicked the reply button to the wrong person that reply was for up here not jmorrlw
Sawno... I think you're confused, buddy. I've been stating the whole time that someone who breaks the law, should meet the consequences. So I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about.
I just seen the mistake. Lol. I forgive you sawno. Lol
@sawno I dont want to hear anything from you... if you belive 'illegal immigrants" are what 45 said about immigrant. I worked with illegal immigrant and i most say that these were the sweetess people on earth and if I could've done something at the time to help them I would have. I offer my friendship and thays what I received. Nothing else but friendship. So get your ass out of you butt and come up with your own ideas.
I understand what you're getting at, but it says nothing about illegals being the reason. It claims immigrants, not illegal immigrants. Besides, California has become one of the least liked places to live outside of California. So it could just be California scaring off the immigrants. That was a joke, don't take it serious. I get what you're trying to prove, but I believe that article is media at it's best just over analyzing things again.
Meanwhile in my country: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sPPlc_L5iUHouses are being broken into by illegal migrants who refuse to leave, people are literally waking up with strangers in there house who start dominating them for the space while police refuses to do very little. Its the sort of mentality your encouraging.Mine is a lot more realistic where i take in those who have a need to stay until they find a place to life and refuse those just seeking easy migration into a country that would otherwise reject them for there crimes and misbehavior.
On the topic of the cover itself, that video they made an accurate version of the image which is the original topic at 1:22. Obviously child separation should be dealt with but it wasn't trumps fault to begin with. It makes me wonder, @up_here would you have posted the same if they accused obama of this? If not, why not? Why didn't you protest when obama was doing literally the same things? Didn't you know or didn't you care? And do you condem him for it to?
All I read from you is hate hate hate. Which is pathetic. Anyways i would've done it. Is wrong from any stand point dude. Trump just make it way more disgusting in nature. As his persona and what he represents over all is pure vomit. Also. Is not just about politics dude. Is about human lives. But you dont get that... so whatever.. your mind is filled with insecurities and fear. Transcend out of that and I'll listen.
Well it was the parents decision to cross tge boarder and break the law. The parents knew that something bad was gonna happen. Its the parents fault.
I’m not going to argue politics, this is just my opinion on this
Since you enjoy reading articles: www.pacificpundit.com/.../
What’s the truth?
The cover is completely out of context because we know the little girl pictured was NEVER separated from her family
Fake news at its best lies.. Time, to tell democrats best lies it should read..
I love how you actually believed it was the truth... how cute. Stop getting your info from the fake news media.
I don’t either. We should be rejoicing. Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Deport a man and you never have to feed him again.People should be blaming the parents who brought them here illegally instead of Trump, whose doing the right thing and getting these foreign nationals who’ve illegally entered our country out.I’d also like to add for those of you who think Trump is so bad, be thankful he’s president and not me. If I were president there’d all return to their countries of origin naked and without one single possession. Their clothing would be kept and used as rags to clean the floors after we finished deporting and possessions would be distributed amongst the American taxpayers as compensation for footing the bill for these law breakers in the first place.
Very well said, i want to slap the orang off him!
@Exterminatore wow that’s messed up!!!
@hsshannah96As I see it walking into my country as if you belong here, and using everything (roads, schools, EMS, welfare, food stamps, section 8 housing, and every other thing taxes pay for yet not contributing is messed.Calling those who’ve been who’ve been paying for them is messed up.If defraud the American tax payers by say a falsified unemployment claim I will be at the very least forced to pay it back, and fined.However if an illegal defrauds the American tax payer by receiving financial aid via welfare and food stamps for like 35 years... well no biggie right, nope. I don’t care if the state or federal governments allow it. They shouldn’t be here to begin with to even file the paperwork. The U. S. national debt is what? Whose going to pay for it? Sorry. These illegals broke the law. They have no money to give restitution. They can go back naked and we keep everything as payment. That’s not messed up. That’s fair.
@Exterminatore ya but on America's defence... they are leaders of the world yes...they kinda have to make exceptions to the rule I agree, its not a good situation but these people are basically dead if they stay in Mexico
@TripleAceI don’t agree. Even if they were basically dead upon return.. why is that our problem.How many millions have been somehow spent on these people? If I don’t pay my taxes I assure you I will eventually be jailed. But if your an illegal immigrant you can just waltz right in, make yourself at home and if anyone objects call them racists right? Nope sorry.And where are all the social justice warriors? I don’t pay taxes I go to jail. They don’t pay taxes and they get free tin foil blankets and a plane ride home. That doesn’t sound like equality to me. In fact that’s the definition of discrimination. But no protest there.Us being the leader is a mute point. If you make more than me are you obligated to share? We won’t be the world leader any more if we keep giving money we already don’t have to people who have no right to it.
@TripleAceAlso, we had a crappy situation here over 200 years ago. We fixed it. We didn’t go to say... Spain and say guess what? We live here now, get over it.They need to fix their country. Drug lords are running it. No biggie. They can just get out their assault rifles and... oh yeah. That’s right. They don’t have those. Wanna debate that issue too while we’re at it?
@Exterminatore ya but its because sharing the wealth for an extreme situation... like a lot of people are drawn to America... USA has allies all over the world...it functions under a certain standard and has moral authority they of course will have to find a way to resolve this situation the best they can... and if you were on the panel of justice... within government... I would assume you wouldn't turn them away completely think about it in that perspective...
@TripleAceI get it. Then come to America and be free. Just do it legally. Better yet. If all these people are in that dire need of asylum then.. Mexico 51 state. Since they’re so incompetent they can’t run their country or keep their people out of ours that we’ll run it. How bout that? Then they’ll be citizens and can pay taxes. No more deportations. No more drug lords. Everything would be fixed.And that’s Mexico. What about the illegals from Eastern Europe who overstay their visas? Let’s not for get them. Or the Asian illegals. Send them back too. I don’t care what color they are or came from they all need to get out.
@Exterminatore yes as a citizen I can understand the frustration but as a policy maker, that just isn't a viable option... We have to function under humanitarian, social order, basically setting an example to the whole world... because everyone is watching... and America's the biggest dog in the houseyou just can't... you have to remember these are real people in the middle of no where... a border , literally with kids trying desperately to leave... no food or shelter...It wouldn't be an American thing to do... considering for all it stands for
@TripleAceRegarding moral authority. Yep. Let’s do the moral thing and make them pay back what they’ve used unrightly and if they can’t then take what they have as payment. They didn’t mind taking from us, but so many people don’t look at that.They want to debate laws and this and that.It’s that simple. They took what they had no right to take. What now? It’s all fine and dandy? Bullshit. I want restitution. That’s fair. That’s equality and that’s justice.
@TripleAceOk then let’s look at it from a different angle.I steal $10,000 from you. Do I get to say I can’t pay you. Oh well it’s your problem? Nope. I get to fix the wrong I did regardless of negative effects to me. Guess I shouldn’t steal. There’s consequences for actions. The only just thing to do is whatever I must to return what I wrongfully took from you. That is fair and just. You can’t debate that.Same thing. You illegally entered my country. You used roads you didn’t pay for. Police you didn’t pay for in many cases welfare, food stamps you didn’t pay for, schools you didn’t pay for... and you’re not a citizen. That’s bad enough.Then when confronted is the response “I’m sorry” “I was wrong” I’ll leave immediately? No it’s finger pointing and calling all objectors racists.Around 05’ when I lived in LA there was a huge riot. These illegals were marching for about 3 days all over the area. Finally the big protest went down in LA. Know what they were chanting in Spanish?
@TripleAceThey were not asking... but DEMANDING free health care. Really? You waltz into my country and demand free things.What brazen arrogance. At that time millions of Americans didn’t even have healthcare. That is an astounding level of brazen arrogance. Deportation is not good enough. I want every cent returned to my country these people helped themselves to.
@TripleAceAlso everyone is watching? Yeah and? Are they American? No. Good then they can fuck off and mind their own business. I don’t give a fuck what they think. When the prime minister of Britton what’s to pay my way in the world I’ll happily listen, until then he can fuck off. We’ve bed. Too nice, too long. Time to act on our best interest. If people don’t like it the suck Uncle Sams red, white and blue cock.
@TripleAceThe American thing to do is act on America’s best interest.When Britain, France and anyone else who still owes us money from the first 2 world wars wants to pay up then maybe they can have a say otherwise ship the illegals there and them deal with them.
@TripleAceBut look. The bottom line here is I completely get where you’re coming from. I operate of principal. What I want to know is why liberals are more concerned with illegals and less concerned with their grandchildren’s grandchildren who will be paying the debt for them. Where’s the out rage about that? Where’s the outrage about slinging racist accusations after we’ve paid for these people for how long. Let’s get out the numbers. Let’s figure out what the cost is. Then let’s figure out the grand total that has been spent from the tin foil blankets to the free food stamps. Then let’s tell those who object they can pay the bill. The rest of us won’t. Let the social justice warriors pay the bill if they care more for foreign nationals. In fact deport them too.
@TripleAceAlso they came here with no food or shelter. What’s the problem? Anyway I’ve got to get back to enjoying images of something finally being done about this. It’s like Christmas in June. Catch ya later?
Except it's not
"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act"George Orwell
Make it Cancun. Nice long trek back to the border. Like a continental game of "Chutes And Ladders". :D
That particular child wasn't taken, but thousands of others were; do you think they were happier?
Ha never thought about it that way XD
Just understand The Reason For The Treason:www.facebook.com/.../?hc_location=ufi
Not even Trump is that cruel.
That miscoloring scheme is intentional and has been since 2000. See "red states" and "blue states"
For all those that give me a thumbs down... take the red pill or keep watching your fake news. https://youtu.be/aclwR-d4pT0
I think my opening argument from now on is going to be "do you know why they separate them?"... because it's fucking crickets after that.
Well it never seems to have been a problem when the same thing happened under obama's time
So why wasn't it a problem then? It's not good then, it's not good now. I heard they were unaccompanied minors in Obama's era
I wouldn't know. You tell me, but people seem to act as though this hasn't been a thing till trump was in the office which isn't true. Its not that because of that trump shouldn't act differently, but he is not solely to blame
I'm not picking any sides. I think both sides are not committed to solving the immigration issue as long as they feel some political points can be scored
If nothing else, Obama had an opposition while in office. Yet they didn't highlight the issue. Are they fine with it?
Who knows, maybe, maybe not, I feel these days the people don't matter much to politicians after the votes are in
I really didn't want to watch that slimy idiot, and 5s in, I'm already pissed off.Trump isn't solely responsible for separation of families at the border, he's "just" solely responsible for increasing the rate by orders of magnitude. Which means they've done it to over 2000 children in a couple of months (how many under Obama?).
@goaded He inforced the law. Read the constitution and get a clue
@kadegk24 Read the constitution? Maybe you should try that. It certainly says nothing about immigration policy.
@kadegk24 And why did no previous president enforce the law in the same way? And do you think he is still enforcing the law, now he's not ripping families apart?
@slatyb Actually, it does. Article I, Section 8: "The Congress shall have the power... to establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization..."So they made a bad law thinking they could pass the buck and no one would enforce it? Tough.
@Curmudgeon The constitution gives the Congress power to establish rules of naturalization. Show me the law that says that when a family arrives at our border seeking asylum that we should immediately separate the children from the parents and stick them in cages.
@slatyb That was policy from back in the Obama days, the Bush days, and the Clinton days, and even before that. And NOW the Dems are getting upset about it? Crocodile. Tears.
@Curmudgeon It was the law since the Republican majority in 1996, it was never policy to implement it in a way that took children away from their parents without another reason, until a couple of months ago.Clinton signed it into law, as a small part of an appropriations bill, and didn't implement it like this. Neither did GW Bush or Obama.Can you tell me how many children were taken from the parents under the law over the 20 years of not-Trump?Until then, this is all Republican, and 99% Trump. Saying the Democrats made the law is BS.
Here's some more about the lying liberal BS agenda vs the actual truth of Time's cover:https://youtu.be/pShzC3xe2Es
It's not a repeat of the well known fact that that particular child wasn't taken from her mother, is it? Because that's already been beaten to death here.How often did immigrant children get taken from their parents 1996 - 2016?
@goaded Their parents caused it themselves. They know what happens when they break the law, but since they are so stupid, they do it anyways. They should be taken away. At least then maybe they will be raised by someone that doesn't try to use them for a free ride/welfare/food stamps, because that is exactly what happens with illegals.
Illegal immigrants don't get any of those things.
@goaded In California they sure as hell do.
@Curmudgeon Not many get food stamps, for a start.www.nilc.org/.../...ty_food_stmps_CA_2006-1-11.pdfAnd those that do, deserve them, e. g.:"Victims of “trafficking in persons” (e. g. sex trade or exploitive work conditions) or their derivative beneficiaries (spouses and children of adult victims; spouses, parents, children and minor siblings of child victims) "
Seek asylum in Mexico, you don't need money
LOL where would you move to?
That particular child wasn't taken, but thousands of others were; do you think they were happier?
That particular child wasn't taken, but thousands of others were; do you think they were happier?