The bakers didn't bake gay wedding cakes, gets were still free to purchase other cakes.
Wanna explain the difference to me between a wedding cake and a gay wedding cake, BESIDES who is ordering it?
@ravedave one is for a gay wedding the other is not.
Yeah but you're acting as if there's some sort of different between the cakes. But there's not. It's the same cake.
@ravedave & Asker - My point was that any business does NOT have to serve you for any reason. I'm very conservative in my political views. Those specific business decisions have consequences that a business must deal with - including a loss of customers that may ultimately cost them the business itself.For example - Target openly changed their restroom policies to allow transgender people to use whatever restroom they choose. Target's sales have taken a tumble ever since.Starbucks kicked a black guy out of their store because was waiting to meet with a couple other people - just because he didn't buy anything from their store. Since then, Starbucks has lost a huge volume of business - they're about to close 150 stores across the US.Yeti cuts ties with the NRA, their sales take a dive also.Each of these decisions are met with consequences for them. That's what each business must decide - whether the consequences are worth the change they choose to implement.
Yeah I completely agree. The customers drive what policies companies put in place. Customers hold the power of regulation, because they control the demand in the market, I was just pointing out that OPs attempt at an explanation was silly, because there's no difference in the cake lmao
They are actually legally totally different. The baker didn't have to make the cake because elaborate wedding cakes are seen as artistic expressions protected by the first amendment. Refusing business to Miss Huckabee is not protected under any discrimination laws. If they didn't serve her because of her gender, for example, that'd be illegal.
There are laws against racism.
Racism is about discrimination, no one is stopping her from eating she just has to do it somewhere else.
This isn't about race anyway its about politics.If it were about race I would agree that it was a problem, but it isn't.
Back in 60s black people were denied the right to eat in certain restaurants, we called it racism.
Ok, no one is arguing with that, totally different thing though unless I have misunderstood something.As I understand it, this lady is a member of a political group and is being rejected on that basis, that is not racism.
Are you implying you can't say the n-word?
No. Because it's a bad word
Madam, you are living in a fantasy land.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knAqM2Gsfi4
Yeah. . if you want to say the word, say it. Just deal with the consequences of your actions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trBxPFLq__g
What was the clip for?
@RolandCuthbert for you.
For what?I never liked the Sopranos. I will never understand why people thought it was such a good series.
@RolandCuthbert but empire is great lol?
Don't like Empire either.Westworld!www.hbo.com/.../cq5dam.web.1200.675.jpeg
@RolandCuthbert I dont get that show lol
It became law that you cannot refuse a person on racial or religious grounds a long time ago. Those bakers couldn't bake a gay wedding cake because gay wedding cakes weren't on the cake menu, they could have ordered any other cake.
Mexican isn't a race, nor is Hispanic. Mexican is heritage. Hispanic is an ethnic group. They are considered Caucasian.The supreme Court ruled that the baker can refuse to make a wedding cake to a gay couple. Why can't a restaurant refuse to serve a habitual liar then?
@brianbuffalo14216 they weren't refusing to serve the gays just refusing to make a cake they do not make. You wouldn't ask Ford to make a corrola?
That's a stupid analogy.
@brianbuffalo14216 it's the exact same. The Christian bakers don't make gay wedding cakes just like Ford does not make corolas
Because a same sex wedding cake is identical to a traditional wedding cake.
It's not like they were asking for an ice cream cake
@brianbuffalo14216 a toyota corola is not much different to a Ford Contour they are both cars but does doesn't make corolas
Asker the cake had nothing to due with it being on the menu. Elaborate cakes are considered artistic expression and protected by the first amendment. For example, I can't force Justin Bieber to write a song for me. Music is considered free speech. Goodyear has to sell me tires though.
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*But just to be clear... I don't support anyone being thrown out of anywhere because of their beliefs - as long as they're not hurting anyone else with them...**She was thrown out because of whom she supports and the lies she spews - not the color of her skin and you know that... You're probably a troll... but I clarified this for you nonetheless. You're welcome. =)
It is fake news that restaurant isn't Mexican? Or are you just admitting you didn't know what you were talking about?
What racist rant has Trump ever made? It's not like he goes around referring to black men as super predators.
Asker: As I said, you must be a Trump supporter, as you don't even know what the word racist means. There is no sense in explaining, what a person is blind to. No one is as blind, as he who will not see.
How about Obama banning Muslims was that racist? Or bombing third world countries into shitholes?
I should add that it's not a Mexican restaurant and the owner who threw her out is a white woman who did so with no reference to race at any point.
They were given the choice of buy something or leave.
Racism toward white people is ok huh?
@Trollfather The owner was white, anyway. You don't understand how it works.https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/how_it_works.pngSimilarly, it's not racist to think OJ is a murderer, it is racist to think "blacks" are.
@Trollfather Dude, I am white
@goaded Girls do suck at math. Compare to how many mathematicians are male and how many are female.
@Trollfather I agree we do. We also make poor career choices favouring low paying jobs that are more fulfilling.
Sounds like segregation
No, it's "Do whatever you want with your private company".We live in a time when bigotry is generally not accepted, so if the public has a problem with it, the market will regulate itself as I said.If a company said they'd no longer be allowed black people, okay, that's up to them, but they're not going to survive as a business very long because MANY people will stop going there.
Yeah that's why we have laws to prevent it
Yeah, and I think said laws should be repealed. It's the business owners right to refuse who they want. If people have a problem with it, the business will fail.As I keep saying, allow the market to regulate itself.
I agree because I value a person's right to take the direction of their company the way they want over the right to have employment.
Exactly. It's your money, you started the business, and it should be yours to do with how you please. If you decide to discriminate, then he public will react accordingly, that's their problem.
I agree the market will react, but beyond that, I also think people should be able to hire people they want if they think it'll help them profit. If they want to only hire 5'6" people with red hair that play the violin, I think they should be able to do that. I do dislike that about this country, although I do understand there's an upside on giving people anti discrimination rights.
Nope, there are laws against the several of those.
@goaded I mean morally, not legally.
Do you have a moral right to break the law?
@goaded There are unjust and immoral laws in society both in the past and currently today. Governments are not arbiters of morality.
Maybe... you and a whole bunch of other liberals ought to go back and listen to what Trump ACTUALLY said. He said SOME of the illegal aliens crossing our border are rapists and murderers. Trump just had a meeting last Thursday with several hundred people whose family members were killed by illegal aliens. Trump is right - SOME of the people illegally entering the US ARE murderers and rapists. He NEVER said ALL of them are.You last statement is correct - businesses have the right to refuse service.
Yeah he never said that. It's bizarre you people live in your world of fake information. The fake media will feed you that garbage though.
I agree there is nothing funny about racism
they weren't refusing to serve the gays just refusing to make a cake they do not make. You wouldn't ask Ford to make a corrola?
Ford hsn't the right parts to build a Toyota
@jacquesvol it can manufacturer the parts. Remember Ford used to build Sherman tanks where it built the model t
And Remington switched from typewriters to guns to electric shavers. It's investing and diversifying production.A cake for gays demands no extra investment.
@jacquesvol it does as they lose their Christian clientell just as Ford would if it made another car design not their own.
Would they lose the customers who saw the cake at the wedding, or the ones who never saw it?
@goaded for supporters gay marriage, you wouldn't ask a Jewish baker to bake a happy birthday cake for Adolf Hitler would you?
Asker are you equating fundamentalist Christians with nazis?
@jacquesvol says the guy who equates Benjamin Netanyahu with Hitler.
That was NOT ME.
I want Netanyahu to make a Prius.
@Asker , in Europe Ford sells the Ka. It's made in Poland on the same production line as the FIAT 500.Ford Europe uses a PSA engine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Duratorq_engineAnd the small Mazda and the ford Fiesta come from the same plants
@jacquesvol FIAT Fix It Again Tony.
Mexicans refusing to serve a non Mexican woman.
That's effing racist
It was a particular woman, known for defending policies that are racist. Unless the owner was asking every white person to leave, it wasn't racist.
@goaded what policies are racist? Apart from Obama's policy of executing brown skinned us citizens without a trial?
How about the one where you take little children from brown people without even giving them a receipt?
@goaded that happens all the time to children who's parents are jailed for their crimes.