You shouldn't be allowed citizenship If you broke the law, nor shoupd you have a job or home. If your paying tax ICE should use those details to deport you.
You are obviously NOT a student of history, Then. also, not a student of immigration policy. If you're not allowed to work or have a place to live, what else CAN you be but a burden on society? Your plan creates a catch-22 no one can overcome. Epic fail.
You can't be a burden to soceity if soceity refuses to carry you as a burden and you won't come illegally if you can't get work or welfare hence why Canadians are not immigrating to Mexico.The catch 22 ends when an illegal is deported.
Ahh... Your remarks only apply to illegals. Under my proposal, there wouldn't BE any illegals. All immigrants would be de facto legal, unless and until they broke the same laws as native born.
See they aren't legal when they enter the country illegally.
Actually its a liberal mania, not a right winger conspiracy theory. Here in the European Union basically they try to give rights to illegals to fill up their voter base. Its a tactics applied by the leftist and they're also trying to use illegals in California and the other states to get more and more votes. Its not scaremongering, unfortunately its a fact. I've worked with one of my government's agency in this matter and when the right wingers says its a Soros and companion conspiracy to get illegal voters in to get new voters for the left, unfortunately its the truth. In my country we already have laws against these "civilian" NGO agencies that actually worked for leftist parties and orchestrated to get illegals in by any means necessary.
@Guardian412 "unfortunately it's a fact." Well... no, not really.www.snopes.com/.../
@Anon-ymous1 I don't care about liberal sites, like snopes. I've worked with some agencies on this matter, I also made investigations in this matters. Its better if you get used to the fact kid, that these are the facts. Only liberals try to hide it, using idiot websites like Snopes to lie about the obvious. Get some real life experience instead of checking questionable websites where similar idiot fanatics like you trying to lie about the lies your comrades are creating.
@Guardian412 Connecticut An "act concerning voting by resident alien property owners", "to allow alien property owners to vote at town meetings and referenda", was submitted to the Connecticut General Assembly in 2003District of ColumbiaAn "Equitable Voting Rights Amendment Act" was proposed, and rejected in commission, in 2004.MaineLD 1195, "An Act To Allow Noncitizen Residents To Vote in Municipal Elections", was submitted to the 124th Maine Legislature in 2009 and was voted down.Massachusetts Three municipal assemblies in the state of Massachusetts have introduced bills to confer foreigners the right to vote. The municipal assembly in the city of Newton introduced a bill to this effect in 2004, while Amherst and Cambridge did so in 1998. However, as of February 2008, the proposals had not been approved by the state's assembly.
Minnesota A "bill for an act relating to elections; proposing an amendment to the Minnesota Constitution, article VII, section 1; authorizing local units of government to permit permanent resident noncitizens to vote in local elections" was submitted on February 7, 2005 at the Minnesota House of Representatives.New York Bills were submitted at the New York City Council and at the New York State Assembly in 2003, 2005, 2006 and 2010.In New York City, non-citizens who have children in public schools could vote in school board elections until 2002. Since then there are no longer elected school boards.
And do you know how they want to solve this? By simply giving them residency or ID cards of deceased people, so they can vote pretty easily. Its a trick the leftists also wanted to use in the European Union. We know these tricks pretty well. As soon as they bring the foreigners in, the leftists has a large network that is arranged to give these people legal status the fastest possible way, even with fake papers. As I said, I've worked on these things for years. I know every dirty trick the leftists are using to bypass every laws, even the ones you have presented here. The essence is, if they get the aliens in, they have a voter base. Period.
@Guardian412 Oh my God. You're beyond saving. Please never reproduce.
@Anon-ymous1 Sorry, but I don't need to be saved from your lies, thank you very much. And if you don't have any real life experience, don't open your mouth.
@Guardian412 : Look, you may know more about the EU than I do, but you don't know more about America and California than I do. The law in California does not allow illegal immigrants, or non citizens, to vote. Anyone who is registered to vote, when signing up under this new law, will have their name sent to the California Secretary of State's Office, to have the person verified as a citizen. It's just lies, that illegals are being singed up en mass, to vote. Also, American states allow mail in ballots, where the person never even shows up at the poles. They certainly don't show any ID at all, for mail in ballots. The new California system, has more safeguards that do mail in ballots in other states.
@markscott. If you've seen one liberal, you've seen all of them as they're operating the very-very same all over the planet. Its a fanatic cult full of idiots and regardless what rules you have in California, they'll use NGOs to bypass that rule and give illegals a voting status. They're trying to do the very same now in my country, where we're shutting down all those NGOs that are basically in this human trafficking business, so now they're trying to form a political party to bypass this, and to have a chance to give legal status for the illegals. They'll do the very same in California.
@Guardian412 : Why don't you actually read the law, instead of pontificating on what you think it says. The laws specifically says, that those registered to vote under this new law, will have their names sent to the Secretary of State's Office, for verification, that they are a citizen.
@Guardian412 the federal government can't even be trusted not to give guns to mental patients how can they be trusted not to register illegals to vote.
@Guardian412 : That may have worked in Europe, but it hasn't worked here. America has had very little voter fraud. Very little, Yes, there have been right wing hate groups saying there is wide spread voter fraud by illegal aliens in America, but it is just that, a hate group spreading lies, to anger people. And there are apparently people on this site, who want to spread those same lies, to rile up anger and racial hatred. Americans need to take notice, that these people are trying to play us, and divide us.
@markscott Regardless they send their names to the SSO, IF the liberals are giving LEGAL status for all, it will worth nothing. Liberals will try to bypass this rule to give citizenship to every illegal that enter. As I said, they're trying to do the very same all over the EU. They're helping human trafficking and they're trying to bypass all the laws to give legal citizenship for everyone, so they can fill their voter base.
@Guardian412 : I see. Now that it's been established that what you are saying is a pile of garbage, you take another tack and try to rile up hatred and racial fear, by pontificating on what you suppose will happen, in a country you don't even live in. Are you a Russian mole or something? Are you paid by Putin, to rile up Americans, to boil up more racial hatred in America?
@markscott He probably is. Ignore him. He's beyond saving. He's probably a flat-Earther and an anti-vaxxer too man. Just let him go safely back to his mouth-breathing knuckle-dragging life.
@markscott. I'm not a Russian mole, just a guy who, unlike you, has real life experience in the actual matter, while your so called "experience" is ranging from watching CNN and MSNBC, and you buy all this "Russian interference" BS storyline, which is the latest liberal excuse for everything, not just in the U. S., but in the E. U. as well, while the Russians has basically zero connection to everything. If you believe that a few Facebook post made by some Russian can determine the outcome of your presidental election and make Hillary lose, maybe you should question the competence of Hillary instead of blaming others for your kind's continuous failure all over the planet.
@Anon-ymous1 Kid. You're completely brainwashed, a liberal who has zero real life experience in any matter, just repeat the same things what some fucked up idiot filled his mind. You should step out of your safe space and go between real people to see you've been lied to by your very own kind.
@Guardian412 Mm... no, I'm not a "liberal," or a "conservative," or a "moderate," or a "Centrist" or "leftist" or "right-winger" or any other idiotic label without substance. You're an idiot who thinks those labels make sense, and use them in order to make a breathtakingly complex world into simple, digestible bites. Such is the way of most lower intellects. My "kind" is humanity, and Americans, not "liberals," whatever the hell that even means.... You also don't know how old I am; I don't know how old you are. This is an anonymous Internet profile, and so is yours.Sport.
@Anon-ymous1 You're simply a breainwashed idiot who have zero experience and believe you know everything because you read the internet. Newsflash, reading the internet won't give you any real life experience, and many elements you read on the internet is a lie, crafted by idiots for idiots like you. Your kind is not American, because everything you've written and say is basically against American values. And you're a liberal, regardless how hard you try to deny it. Its in your style, your responses. You can't deny your true fucked up nature, regardless how hard you try. And FYI, I'm 37 years old with about 18 years of experience in the actual matter. What about you? You have how much of experience? 12 years of internet googling? 25 years of CNN watching? Come on, tell me.
@Guardian412 ... You're on the Internet. SO you're saying I shouldn't believe you either, if you don't like the Internet. Why are you on the Internet if you don't like it? I also noticed that you didn't actually address anything in my last comment; you're just repeating yourself from earlier talking points. I can only assume you're a Trumper (sorry), since he's really stupid and does the same thing-- lacking a prefrontal cortex and all, as he does, tragic thing-- and you are too. I've noticed the similarities between him and his followers.
Anyway, enjoy your... eighteen years of experience, or whatever, in "the matter," whatever the hell that means. I wish you well.
@Anon-ymous1 I'm not a Trumper as I don't live in the U. S. But I clearly recognize a braindead fanatic liberal when I see one, and you kid is one. You don't have any experience, you just repeat the same BS over and over again, and you believe you're some sort of highly intelligent guy, while presumably you're working in McDonalds and making French Fries with your "high" intelligence. The problem is that you don't have a fucking clue what is going on because you love to live in denial, as that's what your life all about, denying everything what you don't want to hear. Do you have a safe space, right snowflake? Well, enjoy you stay there and don't interfere into the world's business if you can't handle it, as you clearly can't.
@Guardian412 Yes I'm a general manager, at McDonald's, in fact. I'm hoping to start earning vacation time soon. How did you know? You're... wow that's amazing.
@Anon-ymous1 You're not a manager, just some low life bum. Its easy to recognize your kind. Hiding behind an anon account, preaching about things about you don't have a fucking clue, blaming someone for your own incompetence and bad life, and such. Tell me snowflake, how does it feel to be this miserable and useless?
@Guardian412 No you're right, I only wish I was a manager. And I actually don't even work at McDonald's. I hope to someday be able to work at a prestigious establishment like that... I actually work at Checker's. As a line cook. I do have such a bad life... I'm incompetent every day. I can't even tie my own shoes; I use Velcro still. The same shoes I wore in 1996 when I was thirty.
@Anon-ymous1 You're 25, so don't like if you would be 30.
@Guardian412 Was that supposed to be English? I have no idea what you just said.
@Guardian412 Reread that for me ace and tell me that it made sense. I think you left some words out.
@Anon-ymous1 And? Who cares? In the end you was able to understand it. But this is the typical leftist strategy. When you're cornered, you're trying to gain advantage by attacking the grammar of the other side. So predictable, but foremost unintelligent and childish. This is you. A predictable brain dead idiot.
@Guardian412 ... Well, I think there is rather a difference between saying someone's grammar is poor and, on the other hand, not being able to tell what they're saying because they're leaving words out. If you think they're the same, I think you're mistaken. But yes... you have me cornered. Somehow. About... what, again? What have I been cornered on? What were you even saying? Did you have a point of some kind? I'm kind of surprised you haven't brought up Marxism yet; usually you guys do that pretty early on, like in the first or second thing you say.
@Anon-ymous1 You're childish and you should grow up. You know what we're talking about, yet you'r asking, like if you wouldn't understand something. Don't worry, you don't have to play the dumb as you're dumb in general. And I don't have to bring up Marxism as your fucked up kind used to bring it up on its own, when they're cornered, just as you did now. I know you're a Marxist, so why should I state the obvious? I know that, you know that, so quit playing kid. You're not smart. Marxists are not smart in general. You believe in a fucked up ideal about you know nothing. Have you ever lived in Communism? I did as I was born into it. And I won't hail an ideology that is about killing millions. You do that, because you're a brainwashed idiot who knows nothing about Marxism, just read some nice books about it in your safe space.
@Guardian412 Oh I see. Well if you don't like the term Marxism what else would you like to talk about? You're right, I'm not smart, so perhaps you should go ahead and steer. So?
@Guardian412 Aww, come on man! We were having fun. Don't stop now. Tell me some more about how predictable I am.
@Anon-ymous1 Those who love Marxism are those who have never experienced communism in the first place, but read about it only in a book and they believe they're some sort of freedom fighter, while they're sitting in their safe space. You're a similar moron, kid, who believe you're some sort of revolutionary guy, while you're hiding in mommies basement. You're a real "hero". Do you know what the best is? You wouldn't survive in communism for two weeks, because your material would be shot on sight there. You're a true idiot who love something about you know nothing.
@Guardian412 That's great! What else?
@Guardian412 Dude where did you go? I want some more!
@Anon-ymous1 Why don't you get some friends and some life, because its crystal clear that you don't have any. Get them outside the internet, in real life. Speaking with people on the internet is just making you antisocial, which is also proved by your childish, unintelligent and mocking responses. You want some attention, because you have no one who cares about you. But bad news buddy, I won't be your friend, because I don't make friendships with antisocial fanatic and primitive assholes.
@Guardian412 Primitive? Yes! More please. You're on a roll.
@Anon-ymous1 I just state the obvious. You're a typical leftist loser, who has nothing to live for.
@Guardian412 I do lose... at Monopoly. Every time. Damn game is rigged. But is that what you mean by "leftist?" That you go around the board in the direction of left? You know, clockwise?
@Anon-ymous1 You're mentally sick and its pretty clear based on your responses. I told you're a liberal, and you can't even hide the fact. Liberals are mentally ill and are having a version of Munchausen syndrome. You're no exception.
@Guardian412 That's great! I don't know what that is though, because as you pointed out I'm not very smart, and I'm very predictable, so I'm going to predictably ask-- what is that syndrome you mentioned? Describe it for me.
@Anon-ymous1 Ah. there's probably a more scientific designation, but I don't know it. If you take a monkey out of its troop, and dye it shocking pink before returning it, the other monkeys will no longer recognize him as one of their own. They'll try to distance themselves from him, and eventually, if they can't drive him away, they'll murder him.(behavioral psych people shouldn't be allowed access to experiments. ;P)If you differ sufficiently from the norm, you'll be ostracised.
@taleswapper I appreciate it. I'm not really sure why he mentioned that, but... I don't think he's sure either. Of much of anything.
@Guardian412 : Obviously, you are not interested in facts, unless they are fake "facts", coming from the far right. Whether you want to believe it or not, California is not trying to get illegal immigrants to vote in state wide or national elections. That's simply right wing propaganda and lies. Bu then, Trump lies through this teeth every time he turns around, so why should't the right wing media that supports him, do same. And any right winger has the constitutional right to believe any and every lie that comes from the r ight wing media.
CNN is your god.Loser.
@yasii... No. It's not. I have never heard anyone, anywhere, talking about this. It's fake controversy.
yasii: It is not a serious debate in America. It's something that right wingers bring up, to rile people and get them agitated against immigrants. No serious person, who really knows the facts, is worried about this, because they know that voter fraud it very low in America, and illegal immigrants seldom try to vote.
@markscott I thought in Cali they're trying to make it so they can vote in state elections?
@Celtero : No, it is not true that California is trying to make it so immigrants who are not citizens, can vote. What California did, was pass laws, making it easier for people to vote. Right wingers use this to spread lies about California trying to let immigrants vote. Ring wingers lie like this, to rile up their base, to spur on racism, and to get right wingers to vote.
@Celtero Not exactly, though I can see how some people would interpret it that way, even though it's not quite right.www.snopes.com/.../
@markscott And California taxpayers are tired of supporting illegal immigrants too. They are turning the whole place into Little Tijuana.
@Celtero : What the right wingers here are not mentioning, is that the law automatically sends the name of anyone registered under the new law, to the Secretary of State's Office, to be verified as a citizen. They don't mention this, as they want to rile up people, and raise racial tensions.
@TrixiePooch Illegal immigration is a problem, and I support controlling immigration. But this posting has been about the lie, that California is supposedly making it so illegal immigrants can vote. That is simply not true. Now when all names are sent to the secretary of state, for verification of citizenship, upon registration.
Scroll Down to Read Other Opinions
Is there not a suffrage movement by at least some leftists to allow illegals the vote?
White: No, there is not. That is simply the right wing Trump supporters, playing on racial fears, to rile people up, so we can all hate each other more. Trumpers thrive on stirring up hate, just like Trump does. There is no movement, and no law, that allows illegal immigrants to vote.
Shut the heck up, you emotional wreck.
no, of course not. Unless you are getting your misinformation from infowars
Your post is a talk. Where are your citations to show false information and narratives? It seems to me you are not looking for an honest debate
White: Probably, by some, very few, leftists. Just as there are some on the right, who want to send all black people back to Africa.
Obviously you don't live in an a state where illegal immigration is causing financial burdens to the taxpayers and counties/cities affected. Are you going to open your own house and let them live there for free, pay their medical bills, school their children, pay them welfare for having 20 kids because they get free medical care for delivery at the local hospital that closes because they can't make any money giving free care? Until the people who advocate for illegal immigration open their homes and wallets to support them, don't ask the taxpayers to do it because they are already taxed up the ass.
@TrixiePooch : That many immigrants have jobs, actually makes for a higher standard of living for citizens. That's because they usually work for lower wages, making things cheaper to buy. for instance, if you pay less, you can get a roof on your house cheaper, or buy food cheaper, because they harvest food for less money. I'm not suggesting there are not problems with illegal immigrants, but it's not all loss. And yes, I do agree that we need to get a handle on illegal immigration, and allow in those we need to keep our economy going strong, and not those who are a problem. Actually, for the last six years, we have actually had a net loss of illegal immigrants. But I hear you about the tax burden.
@markscott Do you also know that these idiots rarely have auto insurance and it is you who face higher rates when they crash into you. This is also the reason why they have a large percentage of hit and run accidents.
Yes communist ideology, let them vote but only for one party.
Am i a communist now?
We treat them better than their own home countries ie mexico
They have been given rights to vote in some locals elections in San Francisco and in some places in Maryland, perhaps elsewhere.
@Jack_L_andTurn : Garbage. It simply is not true, that illegal aliens have been given the right to vote. This is simply right wingers, fanning the flames of racial divide and hate.
That's why you ain't president
@John_Bouff Care to explain why you'd be a better one? Or have you nothing to offer the discourse besides unwarranted remarks?
Nah I won't bother to explain shit to you
@John_Bouff In other words, you don't *have* an explanation.
I think should be simpler, if you aren't here legally you don't earn money to pay in taxes.
That's not as far reaching as I would like it to be. Voting determines the leaders, and therefor the spenders, of our tax dollar. If you aren't contributing to that fund, you don't get a say on how it's used.
Everybody is contributing whether they like it or not though most people should be working.
There are an estimated 11 million illegals, at least 3% of the population. Enough to swing the last election
What's mote serious than eye witness testimony of those there. Maybe watch the video.
Um... so the problem with the video is that it isn't proof in and of itself of anything either. A lot of the people in the video talking about "giving codes and data" and "thirty-two videos for the Communists" or whatever then aren't producing any evidence of any kind that it's true. POWs don't like him? Based on what that one guy was saying? Well, 1) That doesn't make him a "traitor," it simply means that some POWs don't like him, and 2) the guy didn't produce any people or surveys of POWs which proved his point. The video is heavily edited to the point of not even knowing who is speaking several times or why they're the, or what they're witnesses of. Including his tag of "songbird"-- did they actually find a North Vietnamese army officer or someone like that who could confirm any of what they were saying? Nope. The video you posted is not a "source" of much of anything. I can only assume you don't really know very much about journalism and how it's supposed to operate.
*why they're there
I believe all those pows are worth listening too.
... Did you not read what I just wrote? *WHAT* POWs? Who? Where? Which surveys of POWs or Vietnam veterans prove that most of them don't like John McCain, and for what reasons? All that video has is *one guy* saying "none of the veterans I know like John McCain," or something. On top of that, didn't you post like five memes or some shit? One of them about Nixon? Where are the sources for that? Or for any of the others?
@WhitePanther88 Still waitin'.
Watch the video.
... Wow.So... I did. Did you not read anything I wrote to you? About the content of the video? Which clearly indicates that I did watch it?What are you talking about?
It's certainly an issue if millions of illegal voters are given the right to influence elections in favour of candidates and parties give them something ie sanctuary cities and coming soon sanctuary States.
Where TF did you get that info? There haven't been any SIGNIFICANT instances of illegal voters in America for nearly 100 years... And virtually none of those were perpetrated by non-citizens.Have you been drinking Trump Koolaid?
Florida when Bush was elected?
Nope. That's already been debunked a bunch of times. You need better research.
Johnny317: Yes, you have to be a citizen first. You can not vote for anyone in the state leegislature, or for federal office, unless you are a citizen. There is nowhere, that this is being changed or challenged.
According to those who benefit from voter fraud.
I have never seen any evidence to the contrary.
I have seen democrats abusing them in come election day.
You'll excuse me not just taking your word for it. Sorry, but I need some hard evidence for such a significant claim.
@Mexicoman101 He has none. No one who believes this shit has any actual information for fucking anything. If they did, they wouldn't think the things they do.
I know what I saw in 2016
@WhitePanther88 What are you talking about.
We bought a lot of the land. The Texans took texas in their revolution and Mexico lost some of their the land they took from native peoples in a war they started over Texas joining the union and agreed to give it up in exchange for the US paying their debts. Louisiana we bought from the French. Alaska we bought from Russia.
Panthers can be white
You should come to the US illegally in 2020 and vote for Donald Trump
Those aren't illegal immigrants😂. It is a US territory
@nathanp97: Puerto Ricans are American citizens, and have been, for around a hundred and twenty years.
I'm well aware of that. I said they aren't illegal immigrants, which means they don't apply to the question.
@nathanp97 : I figured you knew. I posted it to clarify for anyone who didn't realize how long they have been U. S. citizens, because a lot of people don't even know they are citizens.