I agree. I think the basic message that women should not stay quiet about being assaulted and being able to speak out is a good thing. But it has gotten to the point now where a girl is calling a bad date, or any sort of flirting "rape" or "sexual misconduct" and it is ruining some of these guys lives. There are people who deserve the public shame. Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, people like that. But there are some that do not deserve losing their careers over heir mild actions in my opinion
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She did exactly what she should have done, gone to the police immediately while they can still get evidence and start criminal trial procedures.
@Sixgun77 My point was that people stopped caring about the actual victims. Men nowadays believe that women lie 24/7. Not true. They take it out of proportion
If you came that to some men it'll be accurate. I don't automatically think people lie, and I do feel for victims, but I'm not willing to forgo presumption of innocence. Some things may be harder to prove or get accounts from witnesses, so I feel it's best for both men and women to be careful about who they're alone with or intoxicated with.
Well a groping at a part is still sexual assault
@MsElizabeth96 and 20 years is 20 years. And millions of dollars are millions of dollars. If you were fine being groped by Harvey Weinstein for a lead role or an Oscar, don't complain about it 20 years later.
@MsElizabeth96 You´re being ridiculous.
Who says they were fine about it? And OP, are you getting me and the other commenter mixed up? I didn't really say anything
@MsElizabeth96 No mix up. You said groping is still sexual assault. Yes, but a very minor one. Consider also that even severe criminal offenses have a statute of limitations. Groping x number of years ago? Sorry, but the woman should have just told the guy no.
@MsElizabeth96 Regarding your comment "who said they were fine about it". Being able to take responsibility for your actions, like allowing sexual activities, is part of being an adult. If your not fine with it, say no and remove yourself from the location. If you don´t, you´re as an adult to blame for your own lack of action.
You're seriously saying that it's a woman's fault if she's unable to remove herself from a situation? That it's a sign of immaturity, and proof thy she is not a victim?Whether she's unable to remove herself due to physical restraint, or unable to expose her assaulter due to a power dynamic that could ruin her life or career (or otherwise put her in danger), she cannot be blamed. The attacker is, by any basic level of reason, the violator of terms of consent and decency. Regardless of the actions of the victim, the assailant is at fault for enacting the situation.I don't know how to make that any clearer.
@User-Jacob I agree that saying she is responsible for removing herself is a bit much - sure, it's LOGICAL that she removes herself if she is attacked, but the moment she loses control of the situation, her responsibility ends. However, women are ABSOLUTELY responsible to some extent - in my opinion - of signalling their disapproval of the other's sexual advances. It makes no sense to expect men to always move when instructed to. That doesn't mean the other person isn't commiting sexual assault. This is a tricky topic. I think we agree that groping the butt of a woman at a party, where everyone's drunk, and she might possibly be attracted. to you, is not nearly the same as approaching a woman you KNOW is not nearly attracted to you, in a sober environment, and just casually starting to grope her. I'd say the first case warrants maybe a loud "hey", or maybe a light slap on the face. The second one might classify as sexual assault.
@User-Jacob However, either way, in both cases if she doesn't refuse the advance in an obvious manner, the other person doesn't know he's in the wrong, so holding him accountable is ridiculous.
Thanks for writing my opinion for me.
I'm sure it's now a common opinion that more people are starting to have.
I'm pretty mad that 3 cunts disliked this. I'd love to hear why on Earth they think any of this was a bad idea.
I know what you mean and agree :)
looklook! a really intelligent woman spotted here!can fully agree on those words.
*lose* not lost
It didn´t. Instead it stole focus away from real crimes and discrimination against women. Metoo actually did a lot of damage. Luckily a lot of the accusers have been successfully sued.
Which accusers have been successfully sued? I'm interested in this.
Yeah, me too. (Ohhhh😃😝)
@Shoenron There are several in Europe. A woman in Scandinavia who claimed she was raped has been indicted.
I would like to know why your are so keen on defending women behaving as whining kids instead of responsible adults, when they´re really in most cases only victims of bad behavior.
The overwhelming majority of users on this website have a harrowing perspective regarding the movement.I don't think I want to browse here, anymore.
@User-Jacob Metoo is totally bogus and is based on an extreme left narrative. Got nothing to do with advocating for oppressed and abused women.
My aunt called me a liar when I was not even a teenager yet. I can sympathize with those metoo.