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I am too, being I served in it and deployed twice. Now shut it down and build that wall.If you’re passionate about our military wouldn’t one reason to build the wall be so people who don’t pay taxes don’t get to enjoy the liberty and safety the sacrifices of the people in our military pay for?
@Exterminatore I don't want illegal immigrants in the country either, and I definitely think we need better border security, but I don't think a wall is going to effective, nor that the cost will be justified by the results. That said, I respect that you believe otherwise, I just don't, personally.
Wall + security + patrolled + snipers = secure.
I also think heavy fines should precede the wall for the people who are illegally employing these people.
@Exterminatore If there is going to have to be patrols, security, and snipers anyway, then why build the wall. I don't think its legal to shoot border crossers anyway, at least not without being provoked. This isn't the line between north and south Korea.
@Exterminatore I agree, heavy fines would be more efficient.
To make sure they damn well stay where the belong. Sick of this crap.
It should be legal. All head shots too so no wasted money on ammo.Not your turf stay the f*ck out. This is an invasion without weapons pure and simple.I want no more in and want all of the ones here out including ones from Asia and Europe and anywhere else.
Just the concept. The balls to just say “I live here now” is enough alone to shoot them in my opinion. And throw their bloated, decomposing bodies on Mexican soil so Mexico can pay for that too.Unless their hot and in need of a green card. Then send them my way.
@Exterminatore "stay where they belong"? I can understand being against people who cross illegally and take advantage of things they haven't earned (Which by the way, is much harder to do than people make it seem because you need a social security number for most benefits, which illegal immigrants don't have.), but I would never want them to stay where they are. I want as many legal immigrants as we can possibly get, America is known for being a melting pot and a safe haven, its part of our beauty :). Its part of the reason I am so critical of the trump administration, because they preach about how people need to come here legally, and then they make it harder to do just that.
Not true at all. Many get welfare and health benefits. I know for fact because my sister used to work for the state and administered the health plans to them.Right but I distinguish between legal and illegal. I take no exception to legal immigration what so ever.I do not like the melting pot crap though. The multiculturalism and diversity crap. We don’t need that. America is fine how it was.
@Exterminatore I think the more diverse we are the better. Different mindsets lead to changes, sometimes positive and sometimes negative, but always important.
Things are not changing for the better. I want it to be 1950 again minus the racism and modernized.
@ExterminatoreI would never want that, the social interaction was different in ways that I don't think were positive. I think this may be a difference in thinking due to the difference in our ages. I can't see us coming to agree on this, so I'm just going to leave it here and agree to disagree with you! Have a good night though.
Fair enough and the same to you.
@Exterminatore Haha what's wrong with those from Europe or Asia? Most of them fly here and are legal because they don't have a choice. Their entry into the country is booked and dated. So they can't necessarily just live there. I have experienced this, I moved from South Korea to Sweden, and then moved to USA. It's not too easy, it costs a lot too.
Because were talking about illegal immigrants. I have no issue with legal ones. This is not a race issue for me. It’s a political one and a matter of money, sovereignty and security. I hate how the left says “immigration” and drops the illegal part.
Well if their entry is booked and dated... it’s legal and I have no issue.I just want all illegals from wherever they came from out and no more in.
Ah, yes I understand now. Sorry about that, I misunderstood your sentence. I can see why you would though. I was born and raised in South Korea, and immigration was a large issue in the smaller cities. Jobs would often be taken up, and homes were taken up. The country was very open at the time. A lot of people from China, or the middle East started moving into coastal cities.
No biggie. Yes. Similar issue here with the illegals.
@Exterminatore FIVE PROBLEMS TRUMP’S WALL WON’T SOLVE- 1. A lot of undocumented immigrants are already here.The president implies that a border wall will keep out droves of undocumented immigrants each year. But new Department of Homeland Security (DHS) data reveals that a main source of illegal immigration into the United States are people who arrive legally then overstay their visas. DHS estimates that of the 45 million immigrants who entered the U. S. by air or by sea on tourist or business visas that expired in 2015, roughly 416,500 were still living in the country in 2016. That’s excluding those who entered via land boundaries—DHS did not release that data—so, the total number of visa overstays in 2016 is likely much higher. (By comparison, between 2011 and 2016, total apprehensions at the southern border ranged from 328,000 to 479,000 per year.)There have been previous moves to fix the problem. Since 1996, Congress has passed seven laws mandating biometric entry-exit screening for foreign nationals, which would help track visa overstays. But due to a number of factors, both technical and financial, the system has never been enacted. Maybe Trump will have more luck. Another executive order, dated January 27, requires DHS to “expedite the completion and implementation of a biometric entry-exit tracking system for all travelers to the United States.” A new wall isn’t going to do anything to help turn on the system.2. Cartels can outsmart checkpoints.Trump seems to think that a wall can stop the flow of drugs and guns across the border. But if anything, the 650 miles of wall that already exist have made it easier on Mexican cartels to organize and control the transportation of illicit goods.There are only a dozen-or-so official “ports of entry” along the border line. They are highly regulated and policed, but cartels much prefer to exploit their predictability and rationality than to scatter resources across open expanses of desert and river. Traffickers
have carefully studied how security operates in each checkpoint, which means they can observe and instantly respond to weaknesses, such as when inspections are relaxed in order to speed up the through-flow of traffic, or when a corrupt inspection officer with a willing blind eye comes on duty.Cartels are clever and tactical in adjusting their behavior. Lately, they have begun smuggling weapon parts into Mexico rather than whole guns, because parts are easier to conceal and have no identification numbers, making them harder to trace.Of course, it’s likely that not all shipments will get through the checkpoints on any given day, but such losses are factored into cartel calculations, and it’s still better than risking people and product in an unpredictable wilderness. 3. Terrorists aren’t undocumented.Trump has proclaimed that building a wall on the Southern border will thwart terrorists. Yet there is no evidence that any terrorists have ever entered the U. S. through the Mexican land boundary, and the Department of Homeland Security has long held that it has “no credible intelligence to suggest terrorist organizations are actively plotting to cross the southwest border.”In fact, most terrorists active in the United States are homegrown. Since 9/11, over 80 percent of individuals who were charged with or died while engaging in jihad-related terrorist activities in this country have been U. S. citizens or permanent residents.As for those terrorists who are foreign born, according to a list compiled by Alex Nowrasteh, of 154 foreign-born people who committed or plotted terrorist attacks on U. S. soil from 1975 through 2015, only 1 was Mexican.
4. It’s the economy, stupid.The main reason people risk undocumented migration is to find work. The Mexican recession of the 1980s brought waves of undocumented immigrants into the U. S. looking for employment, but their numbers declined dramatically as Mexico’s domestic economy strengthened. These days most Mexicans moving to the border intend to stay in Mexico and work in the booming local manufacturing, healthcare and education industries there; they have no intention of crossing into the U. S.But the Mexican economy is now showing signs of stress. Border communities suffered much disruption since the first walls started appearing in 2006, including the environmental damage caused by its construction and the increased costs of doing business due to prolonged crossing times. Trump’s new wall is likely to make things even worse. Couple that with his tough talk about renegotiating NAFTA or launching a trade war against Mexico, and the possibility of a borderland recession and massive unemployment only goes up. A surge in undocumented immigration across the border will be sure to follow.
5. Immigration courts are already overwhelmed.Collateral damage caused by our broken immigration system is most clearly evident in the U. S. immigration courts, which for years have been clogged by ever-increasing deportation caseloads.During the administration of President George W. Bush, the annual rate of federal criminal prosecutions for immigration offenses more than quadrupled. Starved of resources and plagued by too few judges, the courts conducted proceedings involving as many as 80 migrant cases at a single time, in clear violation of federal law. Not to mention the flood of deportations diverted U. S. attorney offices away from prosecuting more serious cases against international crime and drug cartels.Under President Barack Obama, deportations continued to rise, reaching record highs of over 400,000 annually. During his second term, Obama increased the number of judges adjudicating these cases and shifted attention away from minor offenders, but the problem of crushing caseloads persists. In 2016, the backlog of cases reached 474,000, climbing to 533,000 in 2017. Wait time for a court hearing averages three years.Our immigration courts are already poised at breaking point, but Trump announced his intention to target 3 million more people for deportation. If this happens, the immigration court system will simply grind to a halt.
@drsexythingI have not fact checked that. It seems to be well researched.I still favor building the wall. I also favor the biometric screening. I’m aware of the business and student visas over stayed.Here’s my issue. If we know who these people are, why not deport them? Congress can make all the laws it wants. Unless they’re enforced what’s the point?
@Exterminatore What we need to do is first, fix all the loopholes in the immigration laws, so they're less able to kork around them. And Instead of a wall, that money should go to the immigration courts. Even half the money, planed for the wal can hire more judges, and expanded the courts to accept the backlog of cases. An relieve some of the stress. As for the ones we know of, you have to find them first. I also believe in fining, those who hire illegals.
I still favor the wall. At least it will keep some out, and is a permanent structure that speaks how the American people feel about the problem.The bottom line is I want no more in and want the ones who are here out. I’m sick of this crap. Government pussyfooting around doing NOTHING about this because their buddies benefit from the surplus labor. Shut it down and build the wall.
The wall will NOT be finished under Trump-if EVER. Mexico will NOT pay a dime for any part of it, and you will barely hear a peep about it from here on out-until 6 mos before the general election in 020, when propaganda about it will be resuscitated to rally the conservative base AGAIN.
Simple tunnels, like under any wall:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z76W7e0ibF4
When the government shuts down all non-essential personnel get sent home (although certain positions let them work without pay). This ranges from mailmen to congressional aides to employees of the department of defense. When the government shuts down, most of the things that you take for granted go away. Also, a large population goes without work or pay for what could be days or weeks. How would you feel if you missed a paycheck and other people said "who cares"?
You do realize this is the first time it happened we've been through government shutdown multiple times over the past decade or so and really it's just Parks everything runs perfectly fine.
@CataciousIf they’re non essential why are we paying taxes for them to be employed in the first place?
@Exterminatore Mail isn't essential to a country, but it is an important commodity. Things the government considers essential are different from things we consider essential.
This is a fairly accurate list which might help you put things in perspective.www.vox.com/.../government-shutdown-2018-open-closed-furloughs
@ErzaKannagiCopy that. Thanks for explaining. Good answer.
Easy, don't approve the budget.
Cause you can have a say in the budget?Maybe it works differently in the US.
No, but the government has to agree the budget. That's why the government threatens to shut down every year.
If the budget doesn't go through, then any of the government funding stops and places shut down...This would be the second time Trump has caused a government shutdown.
@Kenni Shutting down the US govt is simple: inherit some billions, invest them and launch a successful television show. Then use some millions and the money of billionaires to get elected.