And they're not going to collect the correct data from the statistics either because of the false rape and abuse allegations women make against men. Oh yes there is a rape culture alright, but it isn't men that's doing the raping, it's the women doing it themselves. See video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-Dtcvqcjc8
@ThisAndThat The data take account of such things as false reports. In any case, a "rape culture," one way or the other, is not really the problem or the issue.Rather it is the various pathologies afflicting the male population and the absence of a significant institutional support structure to deal with them that is the real issue. In that connection, while I am sympathetic to the issues facing men, the proper response is not the culture of self-pity that is all too pervasive at the moment.
It's you want to see self pity refer to feminism that have caused the laws against men.
@ThisAndThat Sorry, I cannot follow what you wrote. Please clarify.
I miss typed it. If you want to see self pity, refer to feminist and feminism, not MGTOW. Feminism is the attack on men MGTOW is the defense. And without doubt men are oppressed demonized and shut out by feminist and their laws.
@ThisAndThat Thanks for clarifying. At any rate, no doubt there is plenty of self-pity all around - which was my point. Still, I don't find it useful and I certainly don't find men wallowing in it to be any more culturally productive than I find it in the women's movement.On the men's side, the problems of - to name a few - drug addiction, suicide, and falling high school and college graduation rates are not directly attributable to the MeToo movement. Those problems have other sources.it IS a fair criticism to say that programs to address those problems have been slow in coming because of the disproportionate focus on women's issues. However, that focus is itself a symptom and not a cause.The bottom line is that everyone is all too eager to wallow in self-pity and revel in their victim status. Yet all are too little inclined to focus on the source of their problems and how to deal with those problems. A clear eyed realism and a focus on justice and problem solving is much to be preferred. However, in a populist age, where everyone is content to blame the "establishment," or the "swamp," or the "elites" or whatever for their problems, such realism and is at a premium and all too rare.Bottom line, I am hard pressed to see how men feeling oppressed by women, and women feeling oppressed by men, will lead to any practical steps to addressing the issues that are legitimately facing each - and the society in general. Not to put too fine a point on it, society is well past the time when it needs to grow up. The world is suffering much from the lack of practicing adults and the surplus of petulant children pretending to be practicing adults.
Men are welcome over in Russia just to let you know about it. Russia don't put up feminist BS hating on men over there. They will slap their feminist butts in jail for a hate crime if they pull the same BS crap on men over there. From a fellow MGTOW.
Or is it because society have this effect en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_are_wonderful_effect that's why you're so free to speak up unlike men being the generic sex.
lmao roll in the bitter blues who can’t handle the truth
Saying "the truth and bitter" doesn't make you truthful. Do you realize how you sound?
@Aiko_E_Lara I’m not interested tbh, couldn’t care less. I know how it is and so do other girls (see upvotes)
I don't care if you're not interested. Why do you even post something like that if you don't wanna be corrected? I see. Comfortable with your own ignorance.
And it is upvotes you're from women you're caring about, I can give you 27K https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyAJdW4KqJs&t=557s Just skip at 5:30. Oh that's right you don't bother because you roll in the bitter blues who can’t handle the truth.
And you just don't wanna put your idea in an open discussion because you don't want people to laugh at you which is why you're putting on that anonymous security blanket.
@Aiko_E_Lara Lol, I assume this is the same one as last time. What a joke.
Women are mentally stronger because men have always taken up the slack for them. Don't see your butts on the front lines anywhere or registering for a draft. You are 100% delusional eating the feminist lies.
Or are we supposed to be the same mentally if we are treated the same? The article i presented about bias a still stands
They are like the younger siblings in society by the way. I don't see men whining about their privilege, getting destroyed and at the same time getting pats in the backs as much as women.
Hey i got a book you'll love.www.amazon.com/.../099982032X
Ya, but when guys get judged it is a 60% longer prison sentence😂
If it only involves looks when it comes to women, you'd still have it much easier than men. Ever hard of Gillette?
Just saying, it's a lot easier to get a nice dress, go to rhe hairdresser and put on makeup than to have a career. Not to mention most successful man are usually in shape and dress stylishly too.
@Benedek38 First, makeup doesn't fix the flaws your face or makes an unattractive face look good. On the contrary, wearing heaps of it can age you (contouring never looks good in real life). Secondly, what if you don't want to do any of these things or judged by your looks? Just saying, that this is unfair. I'm tired of hearing this bull$hit.
Has anyone said something to you about how you look? Or are you judging yourself and comparing yourself? I get exactly what you mean about the pressure on women! But men do have the pressure too! It’s all about muscles and protein shakes for them! What I’ve noticed with those women that are all clones of one another and all the men with their muscles and the same outfits are all so called friends! Yet how can they decide which one of ‘those’ girls they fancy when they all look the same! Personality is failing in society at the moment! Those blokes and those girls are in competition with each other! They’re all friends with each other as otherwise they would be competition! What is also very funny is the gorgeous couple walking down the street towards you and your man... is that he is looking at your man and she is looking at you... to compare!
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Where women lose is that men age better!! Fact!
Yes men are so lucky
Common sense speaks at last.
It's an individual thing? #KillAllMen #BelieveAllWomen #MeToo. Women living on easy street while men are thrown under the bus is so easy to prove even a cave man can do it.
Sounds like a personal problem. I'm not thrown under anything as you describe. Others only affect you if you yourself allows them to affect you.
Oh but the UN is behind feminism in order to get men emasculated to the point they're hoping men want fight back and then they're done with feminist too. But wait until it gets to the point you can't and won't ignore it any longer, You wait it's coming soon.
Bring it on then , what's that got to do with real men? Emasculation only works on the weak anyhow
Finally someone with common sense
And men are now coming forward from elsewhere telling how woman have it much easier there too exposing that feminist propaganda. Soon feminist won't have anything left to lie about because everything they're doing is being exposed.
@ThisAndThat Really? How is it easier for women in other countries? Also, I am a feminist. I do think some people misunderstand feminism.
Men in MGTOW from other countries are exposing that myth that women have it harder. Would you consider a woman picking out the rich man she wants to marry hard on her? That's how easy that have it and I have the video to prove it.
It's good to see you have taken the red pill.
True in the west but not other countries.
Exactly. Men have it harder because of this expectation. That said- don't be pussy and whine about it!
Stop bitching about bitchy man then, and accept them! Are you even a real man? You're scared of some wusses! You're an even more pathetic wuss!
I had an old boss do that to me and I was SOOOO confused.
There are a few mistakes hereMen have higher suicide rates, pay rates are equal now the wage gap is a myth, if their sons are dying then those men are the victims there, men are more likely to be assaulted and murdered.
It's not just women, most of us make less than the 1% who happen to be males (proven to work). Hilary Clinton got the popular vote, it's not the peoples votes that keep women out of office. I'm ready for the guillotines. Jesus Christ Loves you, repent, cast out demons, kjv bible, hallelujah!
Men die more from suicide never receiving help, men work harder more dangerous jobs to provide women with more money, men die in war, men are the majority of rape victims, all mens issues are ignored, men are judged by their looks, wallet, and status, men have female group preference and women have female group preference so both represent the interests of women more than the interests of men, men are the majority victims in all violent crime. Men also have fewer human rights than women, receive nearly zero social support, are the vast majority of homeless and workplace deaths, are second class citizens in family law. There is also a massive social movement looking out for women at every turn, while simultaneously doing all it can to tear men down.
the entire education system also strongly favors women, from grade school all the way through post secondary and so does the job market with affirmative action.
Let me debunk your victimhood "Women commit suicide more often" You sure about that? en.wikipedia.org/.../Gender_differences_in_suicide"women are paid less" Maybe because women usually don't work as a death risky worker. If you wanna get higher, get out of your cushy air conditioned workplace and do those dirty job. ec.europa.eu/.../Accidents_at_work_statistics And sure if a woman makes lots of money, let me ask you. Who is it for? Herself? While men pays more than women. When was the last time you saw or hear a woman charged for assaulting someone and charged for being accused of assault or even turned in for that? When was the last time you hear a women lose 1/3 of her money because of her husband filing up a divorce? When was the last time you used up your life insurance because of an industrial accident? When was the last time you payed on a date and when was the last time you payed for child support because you're going to end up in prison if you don't?"Women are talked over"Aren't you lucky you're talked over? Like you get the attention with society while men have to do it the hard way like to men up because we get called pussies for speaking up until it get to the point that men's issues aren't addressed anymore leading them to commit suicide. Refer to the first statistic I've shown you. And you can get away with almost everything. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_are_wonderful_effect"women are judged by our looks" Oh boohoo. You don't need to look like a super model to be considered attractive. All you need to do is to look like you've taken good care of yourself. And you wonder why most feminists are fat? Not all of them are but most. Being fat makes them a feminist not feminism made them fat it's because majority of guys prefer skinny girls that they feel oppressed because they think it's "impossible" to loose weight even tho there exist people who were fat then turns fit.
So they shame men for only wanting fit girls as if we're shallow pricks even though men gets fat shamed as well. And we get people saying this "I'm not gonna date you just because you're good looking" Right because we need to be manly, rich, have a car, have big dicks, be tall, brave, stoic and emotional at the same time and willing to protect his queen and so on to be considered attractive. Ironic isn't it? "women only hold 24 percent of the seat in congress"Maybe if women in general argue with facts not feelings, they would've qualify as a congress and they complain if we say women in general are too emotional to be a congress. They're kinda proving the point. "women are more likely to be a victim a assault"You mean to say women are more likely to be protected when they're assaulted? Because lets be real. There are more female victims REPORTED even there are as much or more male victims than you think without even being reported. You never got beaten up by the opposite sex then everyone assumes you did something to deserve it. You never got divorced and got sued just because your husband decides he don't love you anymore. And you wonder why lots of men don't want to get married anymore. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOP793671p0&t=2sAnd women still have it harder? Lol man up!
You really have to be a special kind of stupid to take young men dying in war and then suddenly make women the victims because of a grieving mother (who cares about the father right? Or the man who DIED). Wow..
60% longer prison sentences and more likely to be sentenced. More often victims of violent crimes and often experience it worse than women. People are okay with women hitting them because they think they deserve it, but if a man hits back he is a terrible person. Depending on where you live we have the right to choose to be parents while men don't. Can't sit at a park, have to be very careful around kids. High suicide rate. ~40% of the demestic abuse victims, yet they have no shelters for men. If you try and fight for your rights as a man you are called sexist and bigoted. Sex and kill objects on TV, yet feminists only care that women are sometimes seen as sex objects. Male rape victims are even less believed than female victims. Men are often assumed guilty if accused of rape, even though a maximum of 40-48% of reported rapes are proven true. Likely even lower for accusations not gone to court. Men loose their jobs and have there lives ruined over this. Women get handed more scholarships than men, specific to their gender. 3-1 highering in stem field. More likely to graduate every level of education. Always being seen as child predators. Guys can't sit next to minors on a plain, sit on a park bench or help a lost kid without being attacked or harassed.
Women have more suicide rates? How opposite and inaccurate can it possibly get in one line.
Statistically bullshit.And women are victims of their sons dying in war.Really take a moment to think who got fucked over there will you please?
@WhoDatGuy Victims of their sons dying in war? That doesn't equal death there skippy.
White Knight soyboy simp alert!
Lol okay buddy
Did you know part of that stereotype started from sitcoms? How every man is supposed to be tough and bold and stuff? Yeah men didn't have that forced upon them until tv made it a social standard. *laugh track* This is one of the reasons roseanne was such a popular sitcom, because instead of trying to make the perfect family, they made a dysfunctional one. Nowadays more feminin action is acceptable in men, and we no longer have to be, any of these things. I agree with the "men dont recive the same compassion" though, that is true and should be the next barrier we break.
Of course a man was supposed to be manly but manly was making money and being strong, not an emotionless brute
@RealDarkeyes: It's been like that for thousands of years. Men and women are totally different. Men are suppose to be tough and strong and not a whiny little woman.
First off, thats sexist. Second off, thats called evolution. Men evolved to have more potential muscle mass and be bigger to hunt and scare away enemies. Women assumed the role of "house wife" because they had to feed the baby with breast milk and carry it in the first place (if it wasn't for this, men wouldn't have evolved to be stronger). But now its different, women dont have to feed the baby and men dont have to hunt.
Imagine trying to carry an infant in your stomach and hunt with a bow and arrow. They had to sit down and take a break Also the term "man up" or "dont be a pussy" is becoming less relevant as we find out men feel more pain than women, so when you get hurt, you should say "dont be a dick" or "women up" because women feel less pain (it probably sounds weird but so do a lot of new things)
I doubt the question was referring to biological differences. But more the advantages and privileges?
Makeup is only their choice and because they bleed once a month, they got the rights until mens issues are getting invalid. Get it? Only reason why women buy so many clothes is because they have more styles which entitles them while men sticks to being plain and boring. It's nobody's fault they have to buy those and if you can say that men aren't too expensive, do women get charged for assault they hit a man? Do they get sued if they can't pay for child support? Do they lose one third of their money if their husband files of a divorce? No. And i'm not saying that women's issues don't exist and i know period sucks but what else do you want men to do for them? Roll out the red?
Yes , right
But i can still present more hardships men face tho. There are really lots of them.
@Attractivegirl899 So you deleted what I said huh? I'm just gonna rephrase it here. So you're saying "women have to deal with so much crap" and men deal with crap too. Your point? Why does it have to be "women have it harder" for you? I guess you're just biased that's all.@ThisAndThat Hopefully she deleted your response because I know you probably have something else to say.
Yes she did delete it, she's deleted it here, but she won't delete the outcome of deleting it among the mgtow blogs and expose censorship. It only works on this leftist rag.
I'll be so glad when my feet hit the ground in Russia so I don't have to deal with feminist liars anymore.
You are 54 all you should be thinking about is retiring, no one cares about your old opinion
In the west they both have their victim mentality, some of them are obviously unable to see it.
birth is a choice LMAO whiteknight