WOW, you are uninformed.Where in the world did you get that crap from?It is a commonly known FACT China has stolen propery for YEARS.Are people really this uninformed?Sad.
@Miristheiss And Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, and after years of war, they FOUND NONE!!! Where is the proof? Hanwaii as well, where is the proof, except TRUMP just saying it, like Bush before, about Iraq!!Ultimately, who gives a FCK? With these STUPID Tariffs, China isn't being punished, but the US citizens are paying higher prices, and WE are getting screwed, by our own President, rather than china, that 'might' have 'stolen' something, at some time. HOW ARE TARIFFS really punishing CHINA? They don't buy our soybeans, and American farmers are suffering! People want these products from China, and pay MORE, now, but China isn't paying those tariffs!! It is US IMPORTERS, paying that bullsht tax, and then passing it on to the people!CHINA is LAUGHING at us with these STUPID TARIFFS!! Our president is screwing everyone that he was elected to serve!!
You sound pretty uniformed. Tracking cyber attacks and following ip addresses and Chinese nationals paying U. S. traitors for our secrets is a little different than whether or not intelligence thinks a foreign country has stockpiles of weapons. Already pretty clearly verified that China has to pay tariffs to get the gets here to begin with and that if products start going up in price, USA shoppers just buy something different. We have options. If I don't want the more expensive product A... I'll get cheaper product B or C or D. That's what having a huge market and lots of options does. And lastly, as I've stated before. Most of you are too weak to handle your little worlds rocked. Short term discomfort for long term gain. Most of you are too weak to ever get long term gains because some short term disruption has you crying on your pillows curled up on a fetal position. Scared to stand up to your foe and pushing back. You'd gladly sit back and keep doing nothing instead of ever standing up to China. Weak and pathetic. But, but, but my cheap, crappy made in China toy will go up a buck... WAH!!!
@Miristheiss Ok, it's economics. In 1950, these Tariffs would have been a GREAT tool, as we had a HUGE manufacturing infrastructure!! Tariffs on imports only punish the ones, IMPORTING those foreign products. If there is NO EQUIVALENT, produced here, LIKE THERE ISN'T in most cases, the people that want that Chinese-made Blu-ray player, are now paying $20 more, for the same thing, they could have gotten, cheaper, before the tariffs!China is NOT PAYING THAT!! The US importer, pays that TAX, and YES, IT IS A TAX!!! We, the consumers, pay for Trump's bullshit tariff threats!! China won't back down, like Mexico!! Farmers are already feeling the hurt, and how may will go bankrupt, because of his Bullshit 'negotiation' tactics!!"Who has the Bigger Dick, is a really bad negotiation ploy, when he has a tiny limp one, and nothing (Manufacturing base, and/or agreements in place, to replace all the things he is TAXING from China!!)If you are going to start a 'Trade War,' anyone, with any sense at all, already has signed contracts with others, to fill the gaps in the supply, from the nation you are placing tariffs on!!In simple terms, Trump wants to put Tariffs on China's products, so he makes agreements with companies in Korea, Japan, Thailand, and Vietnam, to bring in similar products, when he puts the Tariffs in place!! That is not even 'Business 101', that is COMMON SENSE!! But he screwed the POOCH, and THREATENED allies, with tariffs, for those products!!!How can anyone support this crap, that makes NO BUSINESS SENSE? Why do you think he won't give up his tax returns? BECAUSE HE HAS FAILED, in BUSINESS!!So to confuse people, and distract them, from how badly he is FKCING us, he says they are 'stealing tech' and bans some of their companies. Where is the proof? Is that part of the Russian investigation, and 'classified' lies?
^ This ^ Great research
You've done it good
Do you see it as a matter of national security? I see the most convincing arguments in favor of tariffs putting it this way. I'm still a bit reluctant since I want to view free trade and voluntary exchange as a positive sum game regardless of the intentions of one side or the other; at least it's an awkward weapon, in my opinion, to tax American importers/consumers as a way to punish foreign rivals.
@SuperManiac it is indeed a matter of national security and in reality there is no such thing as free trade.
Exactly! And now they’re cutting supply of rare metals to the US. China won’t take this lying down, and all it will do is hurt the average consumer. The US seems to view itself as world police; they’re allowed to fund and even directly cause regime change in other countries to further their own agenda, but if any other country does it, it’s criminal. The world is growing more connected, but the US and Europe are trending towards isolation and nationalism. I’m worried. My parents were in a much better position when they were my age.
@Teapotato Consumers haven't been hurt.
The original tariffs were small but the new 25% tax is going to hurt consumers over the long haul. Hiring has already been sharply curbed due to the tariffs and farmers are on life support accepting federal bailouts. Things will get worse the longer it goes on. The thing is, there isn’t much historical support for this being an effective strategy on trade. It was essentially considered failed policy. Personally, I think adopting TPP and reducing our reliance on Chinese goods would have been a better strategy.
Hurt consumers? Consumers can change to another product. Who it hurts is the companies who are not having their products purchased. i. e Chinese companies. That is the point of the tariffs. China pays in lost revenue.
And people will buy less of Chinas goods.China will lose money.USA consumers will just buy other, cheaper products.China pays more to ship here and we'll buy less. It hurts them.
Many of you can't accept any short term discomfort to abtain a long term gain.How do you guys lose weight and get in shape?Exercise hurts and you eat less and your meals are more biring... even though in a year you have a great body.You are so scared of short term discomfort.
China pays in lost sales... higher prices, less sales... basic economics.
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The Chinese are playing the long game. Just look at their new Silk Road and what they are doing in Africa. Also research the nine dash line and their claims to “reclaim” certain lands.
To be fair Trump doesn't give a fuck about this things either.
@SirRexington I didn’t say anything about Trump. This is what the Chinese are doing. They are in it for the long game. Someone has to stand up to the Chinese. I don’t care who.
Uh, that's precisely the point of tariffs--to rely upon them less.
SixRexington doesn't understand what he's talking about. It's futile to engage in conversations with those who will not see the damage China is doing.
@Curmudgeon those tariff's hurt us...As for the other guy I specifically said I dislike how much we have rely on Chinese products and labor...
Again, that's precisely the point of tariffs--to make it less attractive to rely upon Chinese products.Will it hurt us? A little, sure. But it will hurt them a lot more. They need to export a lot more to us than we need to import from them. And will motivate them to play ball. You can't have a negotiation unless the other side has something to gain, or something not to lose. Previously our "negotiations" with China (also Mexico, NATO, etc.) went like this: USA: "How about you do a little of what we want, and we do a little of what you want?" Them: "How about you go fuck yourself? We're perfectly happy with the present situation. Now bend over and take some more..." USA: "OK. This has been a productive exchange of views."No more.
@Curmudgeon but the trace war with China is proving to be disastrous... I'm not against protectionism we just have to do it wisely.
Fuck you. It’s been that way long before Trump
@reptocarl Wait. I think you are missing Badger54212's sarcasm.
@Curmudgeon Hoped the sarcasm would be obvious but perhaps not. Thanks for the defense!
@Logorithim Ask Walmart
I still can't quite get on the protectionist bandwagon even with sinister plans of China's part. I'm hoping whatever cost on the American consumer ends up being minimal.
@Nadim171 Neither am I but I’d rather see China as a superpower than USA
@Nadim171 I don’t care about your opinion.
But we still have Chinese food!
The US is falling behind on the world stage because of its political incompetence and petty bureaucratic in-fighting. This has happened all throughout history; there’s no natural law that states the US must remain on top forever. America could start competing with China in smarter ways, but of course they won’t. They can’t coast along on their post-war success forever.
His tarrif threat against Mexico worked
China isn’t all that communist, though, is it? They love money.
@Teapotato It is still Communist. "State" capitalism is still Communism.