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I get that abortion affects the baby most, but what kind of childhood could the kid have? Unwanted kids are unwanted and forcing people to "care" for a kid damages everyone involved. Sometimes condoms break and pills fail, so unwanted pregnancies will happen and it is a health crisis, so it should be included in health insurances. It is the same as type 2 diabetes and lung cancer.
@Amanda269 No it's not. Pregnancy is not even close to someone having type 2 diabetes or cancer. When adults have sex, they knowingly take on those risks. I've been wearing condoms for a long time, and have not had an unplanned pregnancy. Every time a condom broke, we opted to have her take a morning after pill just in case. Taxpayers, and insurers, should not be on the hook for their choices with their bodies. Secondly, elective surgeries take away from those who need other treatments. Insurance companies have to either raise premiums, increase deductions, or cut benefits. Why should the majority of Americans who are doing the right thing, and are already struggling, have to pick up the tab for an irresponsible couple? Only if the life of the mother is at risk, ( that's a medical, life saving emergency,) or if she is a victim of a crime and is pregnant through no consequence of her own, (rape and incest,) should insurers or taxpayers cover it. If abortion is legal, then they should have to pay for it on their own.
Do you think 7,5 billion people will wait until their thirties, have sex for a few months and never ever have sex again? Do you think that no condom have ever broke during sex or that there have never been a faulty prevention pill? Things happen and most people don't know until a few weeks into the pregnancy. Abortion is the only way to efficiently fix things without wasting your life.
Nope, I don’t think people will, and of course condoms break, there’s always that risk, and no, absolutely not, abortion is not the only way, if you want to have sex a lot you can deal with the risks and consequences, sex should stop being a thing where you do it just to get your rocks off and then move on to the next, instead do it with someone you love and are committed to instead having a bunch of one night stands, again, if you don’t want children, don’t have sex
Thank you for posting this! Someone with some sense around here.
Murder is pretty valid
@Expecto_patronads it’s not considered a person legally thus it’s not considered murder.
@Shutupman I agree, it's a fetus, being a person with rights comes after viable birth
50 years in prison might
Nope. Women have done so for years, can even induce a miscarriage.
This is a story from Australia where abortion is still listed under criminal law. It happens all the time and is legal with a doctor's consent but it has very strange conditions because the current law on it was established in 1911 I believe.
Why force a man to support the child if she wants it but he doesn't
@SuccessfulHornDog shouldve thought about that before ejaculating in her.
@SuccessfulHornDog I agree with you, if a man does not want to pay he should sign away his parental rights and not get to be involved in any way or he held responsible in any way.
You'll feel differently once you start having sex.
Shouldn't we be giving those not fit to be a parent vasectomies and tube-tyings rather than killing the resulting fetus?
@Celtero Why would you damage living people for something, that doesn't even exist yet?
@Amanda269 Well, the point is a trade off. Instead of harming the innocent fetus because the parents are incompetent, harm the parents initially to prevent the former from happening. And really, I think people would agree to it in most cases if we used funds for abortion and moved those to pay for people's vasectomy or tube tyings. It's like free birth control for life, except more effective. If you want to reply to me, find my comment in this question or pm me; I don't wanna bother this guy any more than I have.
It is in her and use her uterus. So it is just a parasite
@shinka1y234 he is there for a reason because she let another man fuck her (excluding rape) so it's her fucking responsiblity and killing it is out of the question
Nobody can use someones body against her will. Yeah it is her responsibility what she do after she get pregnant. She can abort or give birth.
@shinka1y234 it's not her body alone there's another being who shares it with her so she can't make that decision for her self and stop talking like you did it before, there's no woman who will not regret what she did after seeing the corpse of her dead child after abortion
You dont see the "corpse of the child" after abortion. You do not know how abortion works.
@shinka1y234 actually I do, part of my degree involves the subject... if you wanna know why I'm so against it, it's because I know how it's done and what the surgery requires... watch (Dr. levatino on abortion) on YouTube and then you'll get it
Your degree... yet you are 19. What degree are you talking about?
@Shutupman it's a biology degree im currently studying
My bad, I misread it like you already had a degree. Anyhow the majority of women that have an abortion do not regret it, especially long term they know it was the right choice ( www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6207970/) , the women that are at risk for negative mental health issues associated with getting an abortion include those that had no other option but to abort, were forced to, underwent lots of pressure to do so etc. Considering most abortions happen in the first trimester of the pregnancy it’s likely but not definite the woman sees the fetus. At about 10 weeks the fetus is about 2.5 cm which would be visible but before that it wouldn’t be much different from a period. If it gets surgically removed they dont visually see it.
@Shutupman it's a matter how big it is... it's still alive, and the only case where discussions are possible for abortion are rape and nothing else, every other situation is just the woman's responsibility to take care of... killing the problem is not taking care of it... plus if you would like to know how abortion is done... the doctor doesn't pull the baby as a whole so they use large clippers with mini spikes to grab into the flesh and they start taking the baby out one body part at a time then since the head is the biggest part they don't take it out... they place the clippers on the head and squeeze to crush it and then the liquid comes out and what follows are just "cleaning" to insure the woman doesn't get any inflammatory response
You define it as alive, I disagree. As you are studying you should know the definition of a living being is complex and debated. Abortion should be allowed up until the point where a fetus could possibly live outside of the womb; so viable to live. Again you should also know most abortions happen first trimester, where a pregnancy could either be terminated medically or surgically. Most women that are able to, opt for medical and to do it at home. Which like I said will be similar to having a period and most likely they won’t be able to see the fetus. If they opt for surgical removal they perform a suction. Only in more progressed pregnancies would they have to cut up the fetus and suck it out, but late term abortions are more rare and usually are done because babies have serious life threatening birth defects. Don’t pick and choose what you want to believe, if that is the only thing they taught you about abortion I’d be very worried about the quality of education you are receiving.
@Shutupman the very basis of your argument is flawed... a baby is alive no matter the stage of pregnancy its alive the moment it's an embryo so it's still killing... and I know that the method I mentioned happens in late stages of pregnancy but it's still abortion your just picking the least worst kind of abortion to market... its all the same it's killing no matter how you justify it
Let’s define some words by their definition in order to make this more clear :A living organism is able to ; grow, reproduce, have cellular organization, metabolism, homeostasis, respond to stimuli/ show movement, respiration, and in some definitions show adaption (evolutionary). A fetus till a certain point does not abide by this definition, till a certain point it is again completely dependent on the females body and not viable aka cannot live outside of the womb because it is not fully developed/does not have the needed systems to live. Murder ; is to kill another living human being with premeditated intentions. Let me clarify my stance on this, I am pro choice but do not believe abortions should happen beyond the first trimester unless medically necessary. In my country of birth abortions are allowed up to 12 weeks I believe, it should never exceed 20 weeks though unless the mothers health is at stake or the child is so impaired that it would be in constant pain and suffering when born. So my conclusion once again is no it’s not murder if the fetus is not viable outside of the womb. You cannot ignore statistics when discussing abortion, the majority happen in the first trimester, the fetus is not viable and has not been developed enough to experience and register pain. If most abortions by choice happen by medicine and suction, and most late term abortions with the technique you mentioned are done to safe the mothers life or prevent the fetus from living a short and painful life when born then your arguments are in my opinion completely invalid.
@Shutupman the definition you take in biology class doesn't identify all living creatures... a growing fetus is developing new cells and an endocrine system it's FUCKING alive... these arguments are all just pathetic attempts at giving women more rights they don't deserve... rape and health threatening situations are the only parts up for debate but other than that it's just the woman being irresponsible and immature and it doesn't matter what's the method of abortion... killing with medicine is still murder... killing with suction is still murder... if you want facts read some research that states after 40 days the fetus has the identification of living creature throughout the scientific community... all your doing is trying to debate science and morals... you simply can't.
Neither can you, you defy the biological definition of being alive, and the definition of murder. You obviously cannot give any credible arguments anymore. I’m sorry you feel that way about it, but abortion whether legal or illegal will continue to happen. It is not murder, it is not sentient, viable and does not have rights over the woman’s body. I am happy to know I have that choice and always will. Have a good day :)
The issue with that is that most folks with an IQ of 120 rarely get the chance to reproduce lol.
@Shutupman, I did, at least 5 times that I know of. I don't think there are more.So, I see no problem. I'm not an evolutionary dead end.
I said most not all. Most with above average IQ suffer from social awkwardness and/or autism of some form. Intelligent people are also known to wait longer to reproduce which could also lead to fertility issues and resulting in little to no offspring.
@Shutupman, if they fail to reproduce, they forfeit the right to continue. They choose to be evolutionary dead-ends, and good riddance to their weakness.
@Shutupman, and I am both autistic and socially awkward. Women LOVE that whole shy puppy thing.
I did not refer to intentions, I simply stated a tendency. No offense, but you don’t exactly sound highly intelligent. Or are you more mathematically gifted rather than verbally?
@Shutupman, I'm highly gifted in both areas. I just don't GIVE A FLYING FUCK about what people on this little, insignificant site might think. It is possible to be brilliant and not have the cretinous compulsion to blow sunshine up everyone's ass. Are you truly such an inferior intellect that you labor under the delusion that speaking plainly (albeit, in this case, *writing* plainly) is a sign of lack of verbal acumen? I save more florid prose for people who pay me.
I wasn’t pointing out your plain writing but rather the way you think.
A bigot? 😂 In what way have I been intolerant of your opinions? Or intolerant in any way, quite the opposite I’d say. And I do not know you, correct, but I based my opinion off of your general attitude so far. And you keep proving my point.
@Shutupman, hrm, you concluded from "the way you think" that I am verbally deficient. You've not the faintest clue how I think, so only bigotry remains to explain your "conclusion". about me. I had already mentioned being autistic, after all.
Not verbally deficient, but of average intellect. You don’t seem to understand how you have made conclusions about me and my intellect and even tried to insult me. So if you believe I’m a bigot, I would take a good deep look in the mirror myself, buddy.
@Shutupman, yes, of course, the common response of the bigot when called out.
Right back at you. 👌
Just to spite? Entitled? It seems as tho doing something specifically attack someone indicate that they were actually a suppressed group rather than an entitled one
@benjimun01 It doesn't indicate they're suppressed at all. Also, someone being mean to them definitely doesn't indicate that.
It kinda does tho, when is someone suppressed, when they're being restricted by other people, what are you doing... restricting their rights out of spite?
@benjimun01 So Women voting for higher taxes and forcing stuff on me means I'm suppressed by them? My life is highly restricted by the political opinions the majority of women hold.