I agree 100% and vaping is way better for you compared to ciggarettes. Also, the deaths and most of the problems caused by "vaping" isn't actually from normal vape juice, it is almost always thc pods that were laced to make more money where weed is illegal. Solution? Legalise weed and people won't have to buy it the more backdoor black market way, thats my opinion at least.
@thomaseh03 It's legal in my state, and all the drug dealers (pot) are now making French Fries at McDonald's!!!I love it! I don't smoke/eat pot, but I was amazed at how classy the new pot stores are! It's like walking into a fancy boutique. Shit, I bet that this Christmas they'll even gift wrap it for you. It's a win/win/win/loseThe customer winsThe business winsThe state wins (taxes)The sketchy dude in the alley, loses!
Yep, i live in Pennsylvania and it still isn't legal, but when it is, i see no harm in it, it only benefits everyone like you said, excpet the previous dealers who were technically criminals anyway.
@thomaseh03 It's only a matter of time, and then all states will allow it. (If they don't, they will lose a shit-ton of tax revenue)Traditional way to get potThis is how we roll in my city
@thomaseh03 How many people have dropped dead instantly from smoking normal cigerettes?Zero?Yet you think vape is less harmful than tobacco because tobacco will kill you over time.You get that vaping is too new for anyone to have the slightest idea whether or not vaping is more or less dangerous than tobacco over time, right?
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Hmm, should we ban all these incredibly useful and lucrative things that are pervasive throughout our society, or should we just ban you? Tough call.
@Bananaman177: ... said the substance abuser (aka "addict"). Lol.
100% of people who are born eventually die so we should ban that as being dangerous.
I support a lot of Trump's views, but the things he has been saying and pushing lately like games cause mass shootings, now this vape bs, he is definitely slowly losing my support.
He is a fool
What about the people that died? Tobacco has been around forever, and yes it's not good for you, but people are aware of it. These pens malfunction and kill people.
They malfunction because they’re buying black market. Notice these kids dying are all in states where it’s illegal.
Is that true. I actually take that back only one died in feburary, because he messed around with it. But if people are just dying, compared to cigarettes, where it's a long term effect. It would he smart to compare the two and regulate them accordingly. The number one thing is safety, because if a cigarettes have them, so should these.
Well thats not the same because you have to be smoking for a very long time and heavily for death by smokingThese vapes are causing deaths in young healthy people that just started even
@TripleAce No, you don't have to smoke for a long time or do it heavily to die from it. Especially if you're talking about the cancer risk.
@HungLikeAHorsefly yes you doCancer takes years of exposureSmokers usually get other diseases before cancerA lot of other things cause cancer tooIts rare to get cancer within 5 years of smokingBut they are young people getting collapsed lings less than 2-3 years
@TripleAce Hmm... fair enough. I should have researched this better before posting.
I know a lot of people that smoked cigs for over 30 years and have no cancer if you so scared of lung cancer then you shouldn't walk in the city all the smog from the cars are toxic to and if I take your logic then we have to ban all gasoline cars and diesel cars
That's because big tabacco has a lobby.
@ChiTown33 yes or courseBut its important to understand with tabacco its a slow process of toxicity in your body which over time it destroys you These vape issues are happening in the short term and thats the danger. Not to mention its resulting in total lung collapsed One girl had to be in an induced coma her lungs werent functioning at allThat doesn't happen with smoking cigarettes within a couple of yearsThat would take 30+ plus years of heavy heavy smoking
@TripleAce yeah i was just responding to @Royalsarcasist's post there's a reason the gov't looks the other way with big tobacco. It's like oil and coal. Yeah it's not good for the enviroment. But it's cheap and dependable so economics wins out over ideals lol. I could even bring up illegal immigration. Yeah it's not ideal but when you don't fix the problem decades ago, You let america become dependant on it's cheap labor, you let it become out of control. Then you go to fix the problem one day and you can't because it's woven into america.
The problem there is that it isn't from vaping so much as it is from laced thc pods that cause lung issues leading to death, so it had nothing to do with vaping or weed, it has more to do with the fact that therw is always going to be a black market for anything illegal
What is less attractive than something you will get nearly permanently addicted too? Banning flavors won't do anything besides turn people over/back to smoking, not a good idea in my opinion since that is way more damaging
@thomaseh03 cigarrettes don't come in fancy flavors smokers still smoke those. smokers don't switch for the stupid childish flavors, they switch cause it's less harmfull than cigarettes. the childish flavors are what attracts the young generation to it so banning it wil deter those that are thinking about starting it without having a nicotine addiction already.
Actually, tobacco does come in flavors like vanilla, cherry, blueberry, etc. But anyway, if someone is smoking a ciggarette, especially somebody of the older generation who usually doesn't look into things very much, they may see a vape and see no reason in switching at that point in life. If they have more of an intuitive or something that will make them enjoy it, flavors, they will more likely make that switch
@thomaseh03 i don't know if you ever met a smoker in your life but i don't know a single smoker that smokes weird flavored cigarrettes with the exception of maybe menthol... either way you seem to have missunderstood the intended role of vaping. vaping isn't supposed to attract elderly smokers who aren't looking to break the habit or generally people that want to continue smoking. it's supposed to be a crutch for those who wanna stop and struggle with withdrawal.vaping isn't meant to give you maximum enjoyment. it's suposed to get you off nicotine.if you have a better idea to deter idiots from vaping, go ahead.
@thomaseh03 by "idiots" i mean those that wanna start vaping without prior cigarrette addiction.
I dont know any way to deter people like that *cough myself cough* but i know damn well banning all flavors is not the way to do it. Ciggarettes were the same way pre 2000 where everyone thought it was cool to smoke, most likely, it will eventually phase itself out and be the "cool" thing anymore
@thomaseh03 ah i see how it is. you wanna keep vaping and therefore you'd hate if the flavors get banned xD yeah makes sense that you argue like that.cigarrettes have long faded out as the "cool" thing and lots of smokers even the long time smokers want to stop but constantly fail at it. that's what vaping is for. it is by far not as detrimental to your health as smoking so even if you get stuck vaping, you're better off than with smoking but surely it's not better to vape than not doing any of that.if you want a sweet taste in your mouth, go buy some candy. vaping is not meant for people like you and taking the fancy taste out of it might at least ruin it for some of the people like you so i see that as a win.
I actually haven't been vaping as much recently, but another thing to point out about flavoring, is flavored alcohol, sure thats off topic but it is still relevant because there are many flavors of alcohol but nobody talks about that even though it just as worse if not worse than vaping. Back on topic though, banning flavors won't do anything besides piss off people. Some people who used to smoke now vape as a sort of hobby since the effects are barely existent, and the majority of them dislike tobacco flavoring since it reminds them of cigarettes which is what they left. Vaping is more of a hobby to a lot of people rather than an addiction they want to get rid of like cigs
@thomaseh03 well cause the majority of people can consume alcohol without even developing an addiction.if it pisses off people? great. vaping isn't supposed to be something you enjoy for recreation like alcohol. and if it only makes it a tiny bit less attractive for people that think it's cool to vape, that's good enough.i personally think they should have started vaping as something you get only in the pharmacy on prescription after a doctor attested that you are nicotine addicted, trying to stop smoking... and not encourage a growing marked of flashy cool livestyle shops specialized on vaping.
One last thing, they have vape shops in the hospital in the UK, most of the studies being done in America can't be trusted due to big tobacco trying to still make shit tons of money on taxes from tobacco. That is the main reason vaping is up for debate anyway.
@thomaseh03 well that's just a fact, not some conspiracy or industry secret xD. but it objectively is better than smoking so yeah cleaver move of them to abuse that argument to take the moral high road of trying to "help the addicted" while at the same time promoting vaping as the cool new livestyle thing that definitely aims at attracting non smokers too that's where in my opinion the law failed it's job of controlling the issue.
Fuck no, they smoke fucking BONGS, they don't need some faggy little vape pen to get high.
Its nothing about being responsible The vape itself is the cause.
The thing is, it does matter. Vaping will help people get off ciggarettes, and a better flavor than tobacco will most likely help them make the switch. I find it dumb how pwople believe the flavors are meant to advertise it towards kids, like what? A 70 year old wouldn't want to vape mango? I doubt that.
Prevention and Education is the key and not just banning stuff
So if someone was selling you bottled water full of fluoride and those fucking feds tried to ban it you would be pissed off because central government nazis shouldn't be wrapping you up in cotton wool?Right?Omg that fucking prick Trump, this new product seems to be killing people and he wants to ban it to keep people safe, fuck that guy
@Guffrus well didn’t mean to step on your rainbow and ruin your dayYeah the fed government has bigger things to worry about than 6 deaths out of 12 million caused by a bootlegged device. Let the states and cities deal with it. And ya know what if you wanna vape... people have only been warning about teens and health and safety problems on these devices for two years so here’s a vape pen and some juice go knock yourself out. Either throw it in the garbage or accept the roulette. But ffs do not expect the government to fix your stupidity. If that’s too difficult for you maybe this’ll helpEcig bad... no ecig good.
People have been buying vape cartridges that were made at home by amateurs. Like moonshine, but for vaping.
@Bananaman177 oh shit!Thank you had no idea
Are you kidding? The Democrats like Bernie Sanders wants to turn this country into a socialist hell hole that would take away our freedoms including our right to free speech and bare arms. They want to ban everything. Do some research first.
@JohnnySigma85 Were you brainwashed by Fox News lol
Better than being dumbfounded by CNN.
@JohnnySigma85 Yeah I do not watch CNNBoth are stupid and only old people watch them
Do you not watch the Democratic debates? They want to ban everything. Even burgers. Are you fucking kidding me?
@JohnnySigma85 You sound crazy. Forget to take your meds this morning lol
How can you hear what I sound like? Who's the crazy idiot now?
You're a huge ignoramus.
He's only considering banning the "flavored" vape offerings because they're associated with this quick sickness. Whatever is in the flavoring appears to be leading to this illness and these deaths. Vaping will not disappear. Watermelln, cherry, and cinnamon flavored vape refills will. This also removes appeal for young kids.
@NorthwestRider Lets ban you from GAG with a sockshoved down your fucking throat
In what way? Compared to the alternative, ciggarettes? Lung cancer comes from ciggarettes, the chemical that causes popcorn lung is in ciggarettes as well as vape and cigs dont even cause popcorn lung, and vape has even less of it in it. And to top it off, these deaths came from laced thc (weed) pods which is their own dumb ass fault for not buying from a trustworthy retailer. Meaning the deaths didn't come from vaping "fruity flavors" it came from vaping laced weed from china.
@thomaseh03 it’s all nasty. Blech
It's actually ahead of schedule, and under budget. I'm not even kidding.