An excellent point if people did what they should it still wouldn't be spreading even China is trying to hide the facts there country is having more problems with if again
An for got 👍👍🍕🍕 for very well said
Well China is hitting their people, maybe it's better than fines.
🤣🤣 thanks for the laff
Excellent point 👍an yes all police should being wearing them to all emergency workers
An excellent point an 👍👍🍕🍕forgot the pizza an thumbs an well said there needs to be some punishment but not money to the 1s who keep causing these problems
An I mean the trouble makers who protest or get nad if some 1 says wheres your mask
Thanks for most helpful guy :)I hope you're staying well underthese conditions while some Statesare worst than the others :) 🙏😇👼
Yes I am staying home a lot going out with madk on when need to an your awelcome you take card an ve hedlrhh an well to 😊😊👍
Meant take care an have a good day an stay healthy
Thank You @pizzalovershouse
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No! Tickets randomly from not social distancing is completely absurd.
@ClassyMe It works well for antisocial people.
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To class ne meant nice 1
Meant flowed 7 sorry for confusion usely it puts bame of oerson I'm trying to comment to
Puts name of person fluerr 7 good point
Flower 7 my spell correct hates me at times
Medical crisis rules chang👍 great 1
But during a medical emergency things change
No they do not. I was a military medic. The Constitution does not change. However, the states will do whatever the federal government tolerates. The states legally do not have the power to enforce social distancing because it violates the Bill of Rights. They can RECOMMEND, not ENFORCE, social distancing. What New York's mayor is doing is illegal. Businesses can have their rights restricted, but individuals are protected under the Constitution. Allowing this medical emergency to override the Constitution opens the door for the government to make up future emergencies to circumvent the Constitution. The only emergency that overrides the Constitution is the need to punish a criminal who break a legitimate law that does not conflict with the Constitution. If a law conflicts with the Constitution, the Constitution wins.
Well if people dint do stupid things we wouldn't gavd massive murders an shut downs an life is what oeolls make it the good 1s know they dont want to be on a lockdown where you can't leave so we do what's needed but the others say it only Jill's old whk cares that's the problem it's me first in world but if you get killed from this virus no reboot an your Alive again so just think how much worse a lock down could get
It grouping of people that get tickets an not staying distances a part
Stay at home orders in the US allow people to go outside, just not to gather in large groups.
@Ad_Quid_Orator It shouldn't matter what it is no one has the right to control someone else if I told to you you can't see your wife and kids and touch each other that's ridiculous.
That depends on whether or not the action committed puts others in danger and in the case of large gatherings, it does.
That's why I gave options people could comment on which would be a better way
Comment was for Daniel 35 dont know why I dint say that the why I gave options they think could help
@Ad_Quid_Orator In the eyes of the law it is not there is no duty to protect another the famous saying is if you see a child drown you can watch him drown and not attempt to save his life and you won't be guilty of any offence.
But there is a law not to punch someone in the face just as there is a law not to spread germs to them.
I gave the money one I think I commented though because it fits multiple of them in a way thought it would be easier to just give my response and let you decide where it goes.
@Ad_Quid_Orator There's no law to not do something but this would be battery yes but for battery there must be a mens rea and an actus reus the mens rea is proof the person intended to transmit the disease or punch someone which is impossible but also people are more likely to just want to go outside than kill anyone. Actus reus is evidence for the actual act which again is impossible because you can't prove A had the virus and transmitted it to B in that time frame.
But the point remains that you're putting others in danger; you can't keep a tank of poison gas on your property because of the risk that it will rupture and endanger public health and you can't gather in large groups because of the danger of spreading coronavirus.
@Ad_Quid_Orator Well the tank of gas is different and would fall under COSHH plus other things but when it comes to human to human contact the law is you have no obligation to help anyone if you do help someone and they get hurt more though you also won't be liable for it.
There is no law to help anyone but by not wearing a mask, you're putting people in danger.
@Ad_Quid_Orator The mask won’t not put anyone in danger a mask is just to stop breathing it in. What if it’s on your forehead the whole day? And you scratch it use your hand to eats some chips and infection. The truth is you can do whatever you like unless you’re in a full hazmat like suit your always in danger.
It will still decrease the probability of transmission.
@Ad_Quid_Orator Hopefully depends on what pore size your masks are?
Yeah but still it's better than no mask.
Excellent point 👍👍
This is not a fucking police state honey. The police need to stay in their lane
Safety enforcers. Covid-19 = danger for everyone. They’re protecting us damn.
You freaking want to live in a police state? I bet you would love North Korea Fuck the police
I bet you are someone who supports the government spying on people online newrepublic.com/.../congress-may-hand-bill-barr-keys-online-life
Or they want to limit the spread of the virus -_-
Throw the politicians in prison without water or food. I want to see them riot to death. They hate Americans and freedom
Great point 👍
Video came they now have in cars an on there uniform
Maybe you mean the body cam on the officer but I doubt they will give a ticket but a warning for now
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Well they're not using the military to enforce the order so it's not "martial law" but how else should social distancing be enforced?
@Ad_Quid_Orator Actually some weeks ago in New York they literally had the military out in the streets forcing people. You Werner allowed to even leave unless it was legitimate. Their cars were everywhere and they were prepared. Social distancing should be common knowledge. By infringing peoples rights and giving them fines & forcefully telling them when they are even allowed to leave their parking lots is a violation of our rights. If they don’t like it then they can leave. Everyone knows to social distance.
Over most of the country the military isn't forcing these rules and while social distancing is common knowledge that MOST people understand, when it comes to communicable diseases, it only takes a few self centered morons to violate social distancing and fuck it up for the rest of us.
@Ad_Quid_Orator our rights shouldn’t be infringed over some morons. It’s not fair at all & the government has to remember they WORK FOR US not the other way around. Military might not but cops and other people and and it’s stupid. There should be a better and more sensible way of handling this without taking away rights. I don’t know about you but I’m not letting some morons mess up my life. You know?
The right to carry out essential functions without the fear of contracting a deadly disease and the right to healthcare (paid up front or by tax dollars) because the hospital system isn't overwhelmed will be infringed by these morons and they will mess up the lives of many others if social distancing isn't enforced."It’s not fair at all" No shit, since when are pandemics "fair"?
@Ad_Quid_Orator if people are so afraid then stay home. Fear comes from the individual themselves. Technically speaking healthcare is a privilege not a right... just saying. Our lives are already messed up form all of this garbage. Places are shut down, unemployment through the roof, no open gyms, no businesses, no loving & hugging family, no seeing family (even if they’re across the world or are in the military), people are being forced to perform unjust things and have right infringed. I’m not going to be living the rest of my life like this. Absolute rubbish! The numbers of cases are a bit more exaggerated just saying. This whole thing will die over.
Yes because your freedom to go see your family, get hugs and go to the gym are so much more important than the freedom to leave your house to get things that you need without the fear of dying -_- (and whether you call it a privilege or right, in an emergency situation if you don't get access to healthcare; death is very probable, just saying).Seriously, what kind of BS sense of entitlement and self importance do you have? And no, you won't have to live with this for the "rest of your life" because pandemic waves come and go but without social distancing measures, this crisis will be the end of millions of lives and if anything the deaths are under reported.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I9Gys9TvfE&t=237sAnd no not as many people died as predicted but that's because of the social distancing measures put in place.
@Ad_Quid_Orator lol thanks for assuming that I somehow have “BS sense of entitlement and self importance“ you reeeeeaaaally showed me... NOT. Also death is inevitable just so you know. We the peoples freedom & rights are much more important than some over fearful person. Once again, if you’re so afraid then stay home. The rest of us have families to feed and roofs to put over our heads which is way more important than some fear. With the way people are crying and being afraid it probably will last a while. Heavens forbid after this someone sneezes into their arm then they will freak out and start running around starting a war. The deaths are very over exaggerated actually. People can still follow social distance but it’s just a recommendation it’s not a law nor should it be some law. This will be all over in the blink of an eye but the long term effects will last much longer.
The rights you are advocating are more important than an irrational fear but not more important than the right to life. Yeah, stay home until you run out of essential supplies and then you have to go out to obtain them (and yeah you can have them delivered NOW but if we let this thing go unchecked the delivery services will be overwhelmed just like the health care services). And even if you stay home you can still face a medical emergency that you can't get treatment for because the healthcare system is overwhelmed and die as a result (but I guess that doesn't matter to you because death is inevitable). And while the economy will recover, the same will not be true of those who died (and it's kind of hard to feed your family when you're dead)(@ 9:00)www.youtube.com/watch And what do you mean the deaths are exaggerated? Are you following that BS about how most people died due to secondary causes of the infection? Because secondary or primary you still wouldn't have died had you not contracted the virus. Recommendations may be sufficient to prevent non-communicable diseases but not pandemic ones. This is something that must be fought as at a collective versus individual level (@ 7:30)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRv5IH-_mKE
But do you think the Wuhan wet markets should be kept open? I mean if others are afraid of a pandemic they can can just "stay home".
Also, do you think wild animals should be kept in the Wuhan wet markets? I mean if the rest of the world is afraid of a resulting pandemic they can just "stay home".
@Ad_Quid_Oratogreat point 👍👍
@Ad_Quid_Orator very true measures have helped but people keep breaking them an making it worse for all it's sad now to see children now getting it a some dieing starts witb bbn rash then fever then they had 1 area they tested 10,000 people 52 percent had it an had no symptoms an they were blacks Hispanics the highest numbers mostnlike do to jobs that dont give protection to workers
I have to agree with exsperts if we dont get it under control soon it will just do 5 times the damage it's bad enough you can't see a denist for your tooth if it's in bad shape who wants an infection on top of it people who dont do it the right way by going out with madk an dusting outbid groups are the 1s you should be nad at they are to blame for your freedom who wants to be dtucknundoors an have to have them deluver every thing you need an it's the stuff you get free but dont want to use from government so you see that's what we don't want
corna kills 7 out of 10.000 people. a seasonal flu wave (consisting of influenca, corona, sars, mers and so on) kills 120 out of 10.000 people every single year. i do not think that any legislation based on a disease with that little impact is legitimated. you have a higher risk of dying while driving to your work-place every day, yet driving cars is still fully legal and consiered unproblematic.
It isn't a "new precedent" [https://www. contagionlive. com/news/analysis-spanish-flu-pandemic-proves-social-distancing-works]
@Ad_Quid_Orator as it says in your source, most people did not follow these policies, so the 'evidence' is anecdotal at best
It said that they weren't implemented uniformly but where they did, they impeded the spread of the virus and contrary to your statement, these measures were implemented before.
@Ad_Quid_Orator so you got fined the modern day equivalent of 1000 dollars for sitting on a park bench, is what you are telling me right now?
@Ad_Quid_Orator also we are talking about a few states here, could have been other factors
There were other measures taken to enforce social distancing and they adjusted for other factors that impacted mortality.
@Ad_Quid_Orator lol sounds like you’re just eating that narrative right up without any desire for skepticism so believe what you want. Social distancing will decrease mortality in the beginning, but the same number of cases will occur, just spread out over a longer time
But if the curve isn't flattened the healthcare system gets overwhelmed and people die who would have otherwise survived due to a lack of medical care. This is basic stuff but and you accuse me of contriving a narrative without a dose of skepticism? LOL someone's projecting.
Also, (unlike in 1918) social distancing can buy time until a vaccine is developed AND we don't have to maintain the same level of restrictions until then because having contracted the virus, there will be a portion of the population mostly immune to re-infection and they can work jobs that would otherwise put people at an unacceptable risk of infection and subsequent spreading.
@Ad_Quid_Orator tell me, what is the treatment for covid 19?