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Hey everybody, I'm new here.
I've been checking out the nice guys section on reddit for the last week and reading some of the things here, and I'm still not entirely clear on something...

When people complain about "Nice Guys", do you specifically mean "Guys who pretend to be nice, but are actually manipulators or jerks" or do you actually mean that you don't like "Guys who are nice to people"?

It just seems to me, that if these are meant to be separated that people should be using some distinctive phrase to indicate that.

If niceness is indeed a turn off, is it just being overly nice? Being nice too frequently? Being nice too soon (We're talking but not dating yet) or what specifically about being nice makes guys less attractive? Or is that just not the case, and it's other things causing men who are nice to fail in their romantic pursuits?

Please not that I'm not asking why women seem to be attracted to "Bad Boys" as I feel like that's a separate topic. I've just been seeing a LOT of stuff on FB and YouTube about men saying that women hate nice guys, and that you don't find them attractive and was wondering if that's actually the case for any of you women.

I can see why being nice wouldn't necessarily be a "Turn On" but is it true that being nice is a "Turn Off" for some people? More than happy to get perspectives from men as well as women.

A complete bad boy usually isn’t attractive: he needs some hidden softness and vulnerability to add depth to his character and to draw women in.

And a guy who’s purely good and nice is rarely exciting: he needs some of raskish qualities, and some hidden bad boy qualities, to give him an exciting edge and make woman want to figure him out.

Both personality types can be effective with women (bad boy with hidden vulnerability, and a good guy with hidden bad boy qualities), and add a lot of depth and mystery. Which qualities do you prefer: a bad-boy with hidden vulnerability or a good guy with hidden bad-boy qualities? And why?