Men whats the shortest You'd wear a pair of shorts, women what's the shortest You'd wear a skirt?

No lie whoever created men shorts that are shorter than the knees has had to have created it by accident, like their shorts got caught up on something and they ripped, then they were like "ey this looks kinda fire, I'ma go golfing like this ๐Ÿค”" then the golf followers were like "where you get the shorts" then he says he made them and next thing you know he's selling them to golfers and professional fighters.
Men whats the shortest You'd wear a pair of shorts, women what's the shortest You'd wear a skirt?
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