Any other "Mastermind" "Challenger"s?

[Mwolf]

Any other INTJ-A Enneagram 8w7 (a. k. a. "The Mastermind"- INTJ a. k. a. "The Challenger"- Enneagram 8 Wing 7)?

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1 y

Never found any females that shared my interests or understood each other. Always had more shared interests, understood, and got a long better with males. Supposably INTJ is suppose to be a masculine MBTI type.😂 For some reason INTJ is uncommon as #2 on most uncommon MBTI types right after INFJ. Female INTJ (0.5-1%) are x2 rarer than male INTJ (2-4%). If a female INTJ, usually they are 5w4 or 5w6 and are turbulent. So it's like looking for a needle in a haystack.😆

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1 y

Argh. Just noticed auto correct. Too many times typing INTJ-T and INTJ-A auto correct changed to opposite one.😆
*ANY OTHER INTJ-T ENNEAGRAM 8W7 (a. k. a. "The Mastermind"- INTJ a. k. a. "The Challenger"- Enneagram 8 Wing 7)?*
INTJ 2nd most uncommon/rare type, x2 times more rare type for females, Most INTJ are INTJ-A and are the Enneagram 5w4 or 5w6, if they do happen to be Enneagram 8w7, usually INTJ-A not INTJ-T.
Now I can see why I stick out like sore thumb and feel like an 👽 among women😂

[Account]

All I know is that I am a warm robot (INTP).

I do not think human beings can be properly divided into 16 boxes. I might be wrong though, it wouldn't be the first time.

[Mwolf]

There is also assertive or turbulent, subtypes, Enneagram each Enneagram wings, and their subwings. I've studied MBTI for a year now and I still haven't seen the whole list of all subtypes!

[Anonymous]

The same people who believe in these personality types also attack people for believing in astrology, which is ironic because I relate to my sign Scorpio, so I don't understand where the hate comes from.

[Mwolf]

Cognitive functions differ from your birthday. If someone pops a baby out of their hoo-ha on October 23rd instead of October 24th that doesn't change who they are their brain functions or if they recharge and thrive on being with others or if they prefer to be alone after a long day at work or if they prefer planning or spontaneity.😆

[chilldude33]

It doesn't change because both October 23rd and October 24th are Scorpio 😆

[Opinion Owner]

@chilldude33 Yes. My moon is also in Scorpio… it’s very intense to say the least.

[chilldude33]

I only have Scorpio in Mars, so I guess I'm only intense about work 😁

[Opinion Owner]

@chilldude33 What is your sun sign? It’s good to have it in Mars.

[chilldude33]

Libra. It's our birthday month!

[chilldude33]

Or I guess it already passed

[Opinion Owner]

@chilldude33 Happy Late Birthday! I like the Libras that I’ve met. 😊

[chilldude33]

Thanks. It's Libras' job to be likeable. 😄

[Opinion Owner]

@chilldude33 Yes. Just don’t allow people to use you for doormats. ❤️

[chilldude33]

Haha, yeah. I guess that's why Scorpio comes after Libra. Scorpio says "let's stop focusing on others and let's build OUR own power up" 😄

[Opinion Owner]

@chilldude33 True. Libras have a horrible reputation of being shallow and vein. My experience wasn’t that with Libras. They are very intelligent and aware. They are an Air sign after all. Libra is ruled by Venus so people call them shallow and beauty obsessed, but they are so much more.

[chilldude33]

Shallow and vein doesn't make sense at all. The point of considering beauty is presentation or user experience, so to speak.

If I were to serve a dish, I would want it to look nice, not like a pile of puke that some dishes look like.

If I were to design a car, or a phone, or an app, or a website, I would want it to look nice, simple, slick, elegant.

I would want it to be one of the most pleasant things you've ever used.

It's like I would be putting my reputation on how nice the visual or audio experience is for you.

So it's creating beauty in service of others. That's the Libra's perspective on beauty.

[Opinion Owner]

@chilldude33 Yes. But this is said about Libra in the astrology community and you can Google Libra shallow and it comes up. I agree with you.

[chilldude33]

I've heard of it. I'm saying it doesn't check out at all, not with any one person. The indecisive stereotype however is very true. 😅

[Opinion Owner]

@chilldude33 Do you relate to your moon sign more?

[chilldude33]

They work in combination. I guess you wouldn't know cause you have both moon and sun in Scorpio. 😅

That's why I love looking up sun + moon of people. It paints complete picture of them.

The moon is how your emotions work. And the sun, I would describe it as your "profession". So you can't really judge a person only by their sun sign. A painter would probably have a different personality from a policeman. But not all painters and policemen are the same.

So my moon is in Aquarius. Aquarius distances itself from people to observe them and to preserve their own uniqueness.

Combine that with my Libra sun "profession". Libra is also a judge of things and people. It's even easier to judge when you are distancing yourself and are impartial. Good combo!

Libra's "profession" is also to charm people. Well, it's easier to charm when you also preserve your uniqueness. Good combo!

So you see, the moon aspect gives a unique approach into accomplishing your sun "profession".

[Opinion Owner]

@chilldude33 I love Aquarius they are the humanitarians and Princess Diana was an Aquarius moon! It goes really well with your sun sign and brings harmony. My moon is conjunction Pluto in Scorpio and in the 4th house which rules Cancer. I’ve studied astrology for 10 years. We call the moon your true soul and especially for a woman because the moon is the feminine energy.

[chilldude33]

I don't understand the houses. I would say that getting familiar with sun + moon gives you the best bang for the buck. It's the 80/20 of astrology. Beyond that you might be far into the deep end. 😅

The moon, I would say is your true personality because it's your emotions and it's *how* you approach things. But the sun is *what* are you approaching.

[Opinion Owner]

@chilldude33 Maybe for a man. The sun is the muscular energy in astrology. A woman is her moon sign. Everything we do goes off how we feel… our soul. It must be difficult to be an Aries moon… that’s the most muscular sign.

[chilldude33]

Wdym? I said that the moon *is* the personality for anyone, man or woman. Because everybody operates from how they feel.

Haha, I know a girl who is Aries moon. Fiery and competitive. I love it. 🤤 But she is also a Pisces sun. So this like heart on her sleeve. One day deep, melancholic and mysterious. Next day, she is on fire, burning with passion, wants to be #1 and only. The next day gets upset and brooding again. It's a mess and it's so much fun. 😆

But I'm also naturally drawn to Aries suns. They are the direct opposite of Libra. They naturally do things that are unnatural to me.

[Opinion Owner]

@chilldude33 The sun is more the personality for a man because it’s the masculine planet in astrology and the moon is the feminine planet. Scorpio is known for being mysterious and deep. Pisces is known for being romantic and wishy washy. Pisces is a mutable sign like Gemini. Aries can be ver aggressive and immature… it depends on their charts. We never get along I refuse to compete with them and it makes them more mad.

[Opinion Owner]

@chilldude33 Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces, are the water signs.

[chilldude33]

Aggressive and immature gets you far. It's kind of unfair that supposedly "negative" qualities for some are actually benefitial.

Scorpios at their worst can be power-hungry and controlling, bending everyone to their will. That's why they are stereotypically the most disliked sign.

But then again, it gets you far. Better those negatives than being indicisive or too soft and wishy-washy.

[Opinion Owner]

@chilldude33 The most disliked? That’s Gemini. Scorpio is the most searched zodiac sign and I’m not interested in power. Try Capricorn for that along with being know it alls. A woman being aggressive is not cute. They are consider the most immature for a reason. Scorpio is a water sign they might be a little possessive in love and that might come across controlling… but it’s said Scorpios love deeply and once they care they really do care. All the water signs are similar in this regard.

[Opinion Owner]

@chilldude33 All the water signs are known for being empaths and caring. Water signs rule emotions. Pisces is called wishy washy because they are mutable like Gemini and Virgo and Sagittarius. They change their minds a lot and sometimes don’t know what they want. Being wishy washy doesn’t equal being bad… it’s just how some navigate.

[chilldude33]

Oh yeah, I hear about Gemini hate too. I just forget that they exist because I don't encounter them ever, not even in the media, as in content creators. The only Gemini I know of is Trump and G-Eazy lol.

Maybe power-hungry was the wrong word for Scorpio. It's not like they want positional power. It's the Capricorn that wants the career success - true. But Scorpio overpowers the immediate people around them: close friends, lovers, colleagues. It's kind of like abusive parent type vibe. 😅

And as for Aries, they are competitive for the thrill of it. Lucky for women, they don't have to be the mature ones. I'll take aggressive, ambitious, fiery, immature. That's my type of energy. Bring in the fire, I'll be the calm and rational safety net.

Do you also experience that some signs you don't see at all? Capricorn is another one that I don't see at all. Only know of two people.

[Opinion Owner]

@chilldude33 You must not understand Scorpio very well. Scorpios are family oriented and very loyal. We love our families and our lovers. You’re a Libra so I don’t expect you to get us. Also your moon squares Scorpio. My mother is a Capricorn she is very bossy. I love her though. My favourite sign is Cancer they just get Scorpios because emotionally we are very similar and both very sensitive.

[Opinion Owner]

@chilldude33 Cancer also Squares Libra in astrology.

[chilldude33]

True, I don't understand Scorpio well. I'm not saying that any one sign is bad. It's just that our discussion went into exploring the negative aspects of things.

What does squares mean? My closest friends were two Scorpios and two Cancers. 😅 But those are the two most common signs in my world. I don't even get to try others. 😅

[Opinion Owner]

@chilldude33 I’m confused how two of your closest friends are Scorpios and yet you don’t get us. Square means not really compatible and not much in common.

[chilldude33]

Well they not *are* they *were* 😅
But for several years.
Honestly, our friendship felt like I was their girlfriend going along with anything, being cheerful when they are broody, always happy to see them, initiating contact, getting them to talk through things... It was a totally one sided dynamic. (One friend was irl from school, another one was from gaming online).

[Opinion Owner]

@chilldude33 Scorpio men are very emotional like Scorpio women and it’s the same for Cancers. You might feel like you’re walking on eggshells with them.

[chilldude33]

Yeah, but brooding internally in your emotions is lame. Wake up! Cheer up! That's my reaction when I see it.

I feel like air and fire signs are quick and expressive, while water and earth are slow and internal.

[Opinion Owner]

@chilldude33 Air and Fire tend to get over things easily and I’d say the same for Earth signs. Water signs are literally ruled by emotions and feelings. We brood and have mood swings. Scorpio and Cancer both have shells. 🦂🦀 Pisces is probably less moody and more forgiving than the other two water signs.

[chilldude33]

Yeah, it's just that when I hear words "feelings and emotions," I'm picturing elevated or high energy emotions like hype, inspiration, rage, joy. Not depression or feeling empty, haha.

So like when I hear that the water signs are ruled by emotions and feelings, but they are the least likely to express them, it's kind of ironic.

[Opinion Owner]

@chilldude33 That’s the problems… you don’t like deep emotions that don’t stay on the surfaces. Water signs feel all the emotions… the good, bad, and really ugly. We go through them intense feelings. If you do meet water signs don’t try to tell them how to deal with their emotions. They are very emotionally intelligent and they can feel others emotions and true motives. Air and Fire… are there for the good times, but when things get deeper they run off. Aquarius is a little different in that regard because they are the Water Proviser and their symbol are the waves. But Libra, Leo, Gemini, Aries, Sag. Simply live for the party and when things get deeper and emotional they run.

[Opinion Owner]

@chilldude33 Least likely to express them? If we aren’t expressing them to you it’s because we feel like we can’t trust you and you simply wouldn’t get it. You come across insensitive to be honest. Scorpio and Cancer don’t just let anyone in. We are known for being mysterious and private. Water signs feel emotions deeply, it’s not fleeting with us. Please learn about water signs instead of acting like you know us.

[chilldude33]

Wow, this is a bunch of unfair assumptions and generalizations to make.

1) "You don't like deep emotions that don't stay on the surface."
Things are not as they seem on the surface, and there's always deeper context. I do enjoy melancholy. It's comforting, relaxing and validating. I can't afford to, however, as I'm trying to learn to be productive. I was depressed a few years ago, and now I'm not. Very few people can say that. I'm never going back to that state, and I want to inspire other people by my example to leave it too.

2) "Air and Fire are there for the good times, but when things get deeper they run off.
Unfair generalization. People who care - care, people who don't - don't. Nothing to do with the signs. Sharing deep experiences creates deep bonds.

3) On how likely they will share it: depends on the context, their gender, their culture, their upbringing.

4) Not sure where the "insensitive" and "acting like you know us" came from.

[DryGermanGuy]

Please ignore these pigeonhole psych systems, they mean nothing.

[LiamJHayden]

I always get ENTJ-A, so the extroverted version I guess.

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