Do you agree that Angelici is the best variation of Christianity for me in finding a happy, serene, altruistic woman?

[Juxtapose]

This requires some explanation!

Link for light information on modern Angelici:

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/the-angelici.153395/?amp=1

I am an atheist and think most people in general are dark hearted. I would like to find a woman who is benevolent and believes in virtue. I believe Angelici Christianity can help create zeal for virtue because some believers believe things like celestial realms of pure bliss exist, guardian angels exist, etc. That more happy view of life shields some minds from despair because their faith endures despite evidence to the contrary.

Luckily cognitive dissonance can make it so even a highly religious person can still be rational while holding irrational beliefs so this perspective partner could still be intelligent while still holding zeal for virtue.

But yeah, I think an angel worshipper who aspires to be like them is great. I would like to be around a woman who isn't consumed by darkness but instead radiates a light that feels otherworldly & truly good. We could go out on adventures together to help the needy, including other animals.

Angel

An angel holding a holy animal.

Cats are 100% holy animals.

[MicahRaine]

. . . that's not Christianity tho

Mormons tell people they're Christian, but they add a bunch of writings and don't believe the Bible 😂

Sounds like the same thing here in my opinion.

[Juxtapose]

That's actually gatekeeping Christianity.

[Juxtapose]

Seventh Day Adventists believe in different stuff but are still Christianity.

[MicahRaine]

Not really if you ask me. . they also added "holy writings" to support what they wanted to believe.

I'm leaning more and more towards the idea of not calling myself a Christian anymore, and instead simply calling myself a follower of Jesus Christ.

[Juxtapose]

I think I see your point. But overall, do you think a woman that reveres angels would be fun?

[MicahRaine]

I do see how that could be beneficial, but as a follower of Jesus Christ, we're all called to pursue God daily and emulate his character and love, and what could be better than that? God is full of kindness, forgiveness, joy, peace, generosity, etc etc. A woman who seeks after and emulates the one true God does radiate light and is truly good and otherworldly, as God calls us to be in the world and yet not "of" the world. Also, my God is a jealous God, and as such I think he would be very displeased if we revered/worshipped/emulated angels, not him. Especially since many of the angels fell away from God and are what we now call demons.

[Juxtapose]

From my perspective the God of the Bible, Yahweh, is pretty damn brutal and is too ego driven with wanting to be worshipped. Angels seem more pure, after all they did not invent or create evil.

[MicahRaine]

I kind of get what you're saying, but also God is VERY forgiving.
Remember David? He had sex with his friend's wife and then made him die in battle. But when David repented (after being punished by God), God forgave him, and David was loved by God.
Remember the woman by the well? She was lower than the beasts of the field in that culture, and yet Jesus forgave her and loved her.
Remember the Roman Centurion (hated by the jews) who's servant was sick? Jesus healed his servant and was amazed by his faith.
Remember Matthew the tax collector, traitor to the jews? He asked forgiveness and Jesus loved him.
Remember Saul, who persecuted and killed believers? God opened his eyes to the truth, and forgave him. Saul became known as Paul, and became a disciple of Jesus Christ.
Remember what Jesus said as he died on the cross? "Father, forgive them"

[Juxtapose]

Yahweh assisted a bald man who was being insulted by children for being bald..

By sending bears to kill the children.

That's not a sane dude.

[MicahRaine]

in my opinion that's just poor translation.

The Hebrew words that were used to describe that group of boys were "na'ar qatan."
Na'ar is basically another word for "male person" and can mean a slave baby or a fully grown priest (in that culture, the priests were seen as the highest of the high class).
Qatan means "small," "little," or "young."
King Solomon was described as "na'ar qatan" when he took the throne at the age of 20.
Hadad the Edomite (a famous warrior) was also described as "na'ar qatan."

So, knowing the accurate translation of the Hebrew, it makes more sense that the "boys" were actually fully grown male servants/lower class.

Still pretty morbid, but not quite as bad.

[Juxtapose]

Adults dying over insults is still batshit crazy, assuming you're right.

[MicahRaine]

Yeah I agree. Also different times though. Also lol we don't cry about people killing each other for insulting each other during wild west times soooo. . .

[Juxtapose]

Yeah actually I do bitch about people killing each other back then and I bitch about how people kill each other now. If you have not noticed, the world is not a nice place. That's one of the reasons why I am looking for someone who actually is.

[MicahRaine]

I didn't mean it in an offensive way 😬😂 I know you're chill and have a good head on your shoulders.

Yeah. The world sucks. To me, though, that's just another reason to believe in God and a better future.

And yeah, 100% a valid reason to look for someone who prioritizes peace and the truly good things in life.

[Juxtapose]

I wasn't upset, it's just a correction on my views.

The worse the world is, the worse it looks for an all-powerful creator that is all-knowing and is everywhere at once. You bear 100% responsibility for every single aspect of reality at that point.

I agree. People are drowning in the abyss & I want someone who is ready to move along with me towards a better future.

[MicahRaine]

Okay 👍

Yeah I get that, but at the same time, wouldn't it also evil if he didn't give us free will?

Yeah that's a mood. I thought I found that person, SIKE

[Juxtapose]

I personally don't believe free will actually exists but I will entertain the concept for the sake of argument.

If I made a universe and I could choose to have my creations act within certain parameters freely but not do certain things like rape or kill each other, that would be a no-brainer. Giving them the inclinations and the freedom to rape her kill each other is incredibly stupid and will inevitably create suffering. That's a poor excuse to allow suffering.

Yeah, it's not easy out there. People are hard to predict, that's one of the reasons why I like women who are straight up and consistent.

[Juxtapose]

*rape or kill each other

[MicahRaine]

Hm interesting. . . if we don't have free will, what do we have and who pulls the strings?

I get that, but also I don't think God "gave" us those inclinations. Personally I think we gave those to ourselves by choosing to walk away. I haven't done enough research for this conversation though lol

Yeah. I get that

[Juxtapose]

We are a electrical and chemical storm that can be predicted with enough information. A being with all knowledge of the universe could perfectly predict your every thought and action. If you think you are so in control, then what would happen to you if you were raised in some savage tribe that consumed human flesh? Do you really think you would have turned out the same?

Yahweh is 100% knowledgeable about what will happen if he creates his creations to act certain way. He is the absolute programmer and gave us all of our tendencies, including choosing to walk away and do fucked up shit like rape and murder. Yahweh programmed that into humanity and knowingly let them become savage and evil.

Who do you think put that tree in that garden in the Bible story? Why put it there? If you make two curious creatures that are capable of mischief and give them eternity, eventually they are going to thoroughly investigate the tree. And you let a snake wander around there and convince them to commit mischief, you know it's happening as it's happening because you are all-powerful and all-knowing, you exist everywhere at once.

[MicahRaine]

Intriguing. People adapt to their circumstances though. I used to be a totally different guy when I was worrying about my life daily. Maybe that supports your point though.

Hm. . . wouldn't that be the same though if we're a chemical and electrical storm, since that had to come from something?

Because God wanted Adam and Eve to choose to love and glorify Him, not force them. I do get your point though.

[Juxtapose]

Actually there is no such thing as nothingness. In what appears to be empty space is actually a place where quantum particles appear and disappear from reality. A true void of "nothing" actually doesn't exist as far as we know.

He wanted them to choose while programming them to be fucking morons who did not understand him. It's an ego trip that was setup to fail & Yahweh gaslights humanity into thinking it is their fault when he knew it was going to happen while he was making his creation.

Omnipotence, omnipotence & omnipresence is a bitch. There's no escaping accountability at that point.

[Juxtapose]

I should also add that the tree was essentially like putting a loaded gun in front of a toddler that has an indefinite time to eventually choose to fuck with the gun.

[MicahRaine]

I don't know man you're losing me. . .

[Juxtapose]

How is it different from putting a loaded gun in front of a toddler with indefinite time to use the gun?

[MicahRaine]

Whoa I totally missed that

I'm not sure honestly. I feel like this is one of those things though, you can't have light without darkness type of thing.

[DrPepper12]

Pussies are indeed holy.

Gnostic huh? I respect that. More than almost any other Jesus Inspired fiction. 👍🏻❤️

[Juxtapose]

I am glad somebody mentioned the holy animals.

Yeah, Gnosticism is pretty cool and more flexible than modern Christianity. What would be your favorite Jesus inspired fiction?

[DrPepper12]

Mormons, Moonies or Jehovah witness modern times.

Manichaeism & Gregory the winder worker for older versions.