I have said on here for years that it's sadly not safe in some places for people to be openly gay.
Because of Geographic Narcissism ( thinking everything is the same in America ) from people in large urban areas not seeing the full picture outside their own city.
I was called stupid and many other choice words by users, about how wrong I was. Most of this doesn't make national news. Do believe me now?
Jobs/BusinessGaysSchoolsTransI only did one state most are from one of the largest cities in that state not the middle of nowhere.. All articles are within two years old I believe. The even worse part is not one of these was charged as a hate crime!! (Missouri has no discrimination laws)
Also, If you didn't know this by now, you might be a geographic narcissist...
Didn't take you for a leftist, last I checked words where not violence. One of those you posted was "alleged" i. e. they where attacked and they don't really know the motive (The daniel shepard attack was allegedly a hate crime against gays. . . despite the fact that he met both men at a gay bar, one was openly bisexual, and both admitted they where all drug addicts and they had not meant to kill him just steal his money and drugs. Or the Orlando shooting which was a hate crime against gays. . . except at no point was that the motivation and he openly stated he just looked for a crowded place to shoot it up so that the US would know what it felt like.). Claims of discrimination are not the same as actual discrimination. Stating that some one has the legal right to speak what ever they want even if its offensive thanks to the first amendment, is not the same as stating that homosexuals are under attack and they are being hunted down.
I mean its really easy to take a few clips here and their and make a claim, but the statistical data just doesn't back it. According to the FBI only 16.7% of hate crimes are commited against some one for their sexual orientation. Their are an estimated 11 million homosexuals within the US, out of those only 920 experienced a hate crime. According to the FBI 40% of all "hate crimes" are harassment/intimidation i. e. no physical altercations or damage to property, which would be 368 of those 920 who only experienced insults basically. So out of what is left we do have 552 occurences of hate crimes (assuming that every recorded hate crime was in fact a hate crime (despite that not being the case). Out of all hate crimes, only 51 murders occured so death for being homosexual is incredibly unlikely to occur. In fact statistically your more likely to die from almost everything else then die because you where gay.
In fact if you look at the data your more likely to be killed based upon racial grounds, then religious. In fact according to the BJS data 9 out of every 10,000 whites are subject to a hate crime or.09% of whites. However if we look at homosexuals its.008%, so in fact if we look at the BJS and FBI data your actually more likely to be subject to a hate crime for being white then you are for being homosexual. In fact according to the BJS data your also more likely to be subject to a hate crime for being white then being black as well.
Now that doesn't mean this is acceptable, of course it is not, but it is a far cry different from claiming that some one is in danger purely because they are gay, that is clearly not the case. Its called cherry picking, you have seen these articles (searching them out specifically to make this case), from a nation of 328 million people and 11 million homosexuals, and having a handful of cases (half of which are not even hate crimes as changing a law to account for freedom of speech does not mean some one is doing these things (its no different then claiming that making marajuana legal automotically means that every one is going to use it, its simply not true.). What we need is less fear mongering and more hard facts, and the hard facts are that our species has never lived in a more peaceful and tolerant time period, crime has been decreasing steadily for the entire duration of our nations history (well except for when the leftist decided to get rid of police and burn everything down), we live in the most tolerant time period that the world has ever seen, and things are, as long as we don't keep acting on knee jerk reactions, really good for us (to good one could argue).
So no, ancedotes does not an argument make, you must have hard facts, statistical data, and all of that shows that this is not a dangerous nation for gay people or any group. What it does show is what every human being ought to know already, that no matter how hard you try their are always going to be bad people in this world and you need to accept that reality. Just because our world isn't perfect doesn't mean its particularly bad either (quite the opposite).
Yes, but we are equating words and the right of free speech as the same as oppression and that is something the left does. Obviously I don't want people killed, I want people to live their lives and be free to choose their path as they see fit, but that doesn't mean that because a tiny fraction of the population refuses to be reasonable people that this is a major issue. I mean we have christians killed for being christian in the US, would we say that is a massive problem and they are not safe here? Of course not, because by and large this is the safest place for them. Same goes for gay people, the over whelming majority of americans don't give a fuck, this goes for states as well, but we cannot control every single person in the world and we never will. Doesn't mean that a state or a region or a country is unsafe because a tiny fraction of people are bad, it just means that is life. I'm as or more likely to be murdered then a gay person because I am white, doesn't mean I'm particularly unsafe (far from it, this is the safest place and safest time in human history, in particular for those who are not part of the majority).
You can't let ancedotes dictate reasoning or policy, that is how you get leftism (they use this tactic all the time because a personal story effects you more then the impersonal statistical data that refutes it).
And that means what exactly? I pointed out the statistical facts, your more likely to be attacked and killed if your white then you are for being gay. We have had gay pride parades in every major city for over fifty years, we have laws that give them preferential treatment (a gay man kills you and he will get a much lighter sentence then if you kill a gay man.) etc. etc. So like I said you can point to a few incidents and claim this is a massive occurence but its not true and never will be. I can point to christians being targeted, I believe we have had two or three church shootings in just the past couple of years, a school shooting where the person actively targeted christian students etc. Does that mean christians are under attack? Does it mean christians are being actively hunted and are unsafe here? Absolutely not and its an absurd thing to claim.
I was beaten and raped as a child, so does that mean almost every child is beaten and raped? No, its insanely rare and most people will (thankfully) never experience it. Just because I have ancedotal or personal experiences doesn't mean its wide reaching or common. That is the problem, you take two or three incidents (half of yours didn't even prove your point) and then say this is happening every where to every gay person in the country (or near enough), and that is again, not rational or logical in anyway shape or form and is directly refuted by scientific evidence.
Dude, accusing Wowgirl of being a leftist? Haha! Anyone outside of your narrow weird politics is now a leftist?
That's hilarious.
I am not sure why you pretend to give a damn about gay folks, when it is obvious you do not. You claim to have some experience with being abused or whatever. Well, I am sorry to hear that. The thing that is insane is when you launch into this nonsense about statistics. Most humans who have brains, feelings, and use common sense, don't give a fuck about statistics when it comes to their personal experiences. You seem to have excused your own experience because of some stat. But if a gay person has the experience of being called names, being chased or beaten up because of their lifestyle, they are going to say to hell with you and your stats. They are going to seek others out who have similar experiences and find a way to advocate for change.
Now I don't even support gays or their causes but if you show up at one of my client sites claiming you can call gays names because of some standard of free speech, you will be dismissed and if you refuse to leave you will be escorted off the property.
That's how freedom of speech works. You can say whatever you want in public. But on private property you will adopt the code of conduct that is stated.
@RolandCuthbert No, I never accused her of that, its called sarcasm. I pointed out that it was an absurd claim. As for most people not taking statistics into account, well yes I know that is why I mention them because your feelings are almost always wrong. You see a tiny fraction of the world and decide that the rest of the world must be exactly like that when that is not the case. Take europeans, they see the world through their lens so when they criticise the US they talk about how we are stupid and don't know a second language, they insult us saying we don't travel outside of our country, they insult us saying how we don't see the wider world. Then they think that texas is right next door to new york, that their 60 million population is equivalent to our 327 million, etc. etc. They don't realize that our nation is almost as large as Europe and that from chicago to texas is the same distance from paris france to Ankara Turkey. They see us through their lens and not being able to realize that they create many misconceptions of who we are.
Along that example I've seen australians laugh at people from the US, apparently they would tell americans that kangaroos would just come up to their yards and americans where "stupid" for believing them, not realizing that in most of the US people get Bear, mountain lions, Crocodiles (in florida at least) and moose in their back yard thus the reason why americans where so ready to believe the statement. Again if they stopped looking at things through their narrow lens they would realize that they where the ones who where ignorant.
@RolandCuthbert That is what I do with statistics, I show that your feelings exist, but they are not reality. As for me, why would you presume I hate gay people? What use is that to me? I hate ideologies, I hate people of low character, but I could not care any less about who some one has sex with. My brothers gay, his husband by extension is gay, I don't get along with him not because he is gay, I don't get along with him because he is a far leftist that hates every one and I suspect that includes himself. Sexuality is irrelevant to me as long as every one is consenting adults. I've been friends with gay people I'm related to them, I watch Dave Rubin and have the utmost respect for him and he is gay etc. etc. So I have no idea where your getting this from but its clearly not based in reality, but rather your "feelings" which again, are not correct.
As for refusing to work with some one who uses insulting language towards gays. . . good. Just because I dont think the government has the right to punish some one for language doesn't mean I think people shouldn't have the right to free association. Just as I think that the gay coffee shop owner gets to decide who he associates with, I think the christian baker gets to decide that too (christian baker was sued for not making a gay wedding cake. A gay coffee shop owner cussed out a group of christians who had bought coffee and where minding their own business, then kicked them out with no recourse to the business owner. I think he has that right, I just think the christian baker deserved to have the same rights as well.). So yes, we are in agreement, I believe in freedom of speech and so do you, that means the government doesn't get to censor your speech not that every one has to tolerate others.
@RolandCuthbert Also your insane, I mean that literally that isn't even a jab your hardly coherent and your ability to process what others say is completely gone, you need to get help. I don't know if its schitzophrenia or what have you, but you definitley have something wrong with you that you need to take care of (Again, I'm not insulting you, I mean this in all seriousness. Go to a doctor, a psychaitrist some one because you have that phrenetic ravings, which is similar to some one who I have met that has schitzophrenia).
It's a well known fact that bible belt states in particular have a rampant problem with bigotry in general and that particularly extends to the LGBTQ community. I live in a county in Florida that is very tourist dependent and therefore has an ordnance that prohibits businesses from discrimination based on either sexual orientation or gender identification. For example, in my county you have the right to use your choice of restrooms as long as you identify as the gender earmarked for that restroom. Your landlord can't kick you out for being gay or trans nor can you be fired for being same. In other parts of Florida you won't find a lawyer who would represent you in a lawsuit against an employer who fired you for being an atheist and in those same places it is considered a right to refuse service or goods to someone based on sexual orientation or gender identification and they can use religious grounds to do so. We have a lot of variation state wide on these kinds of issues. We still have places where Blacks are not permitted in White churches and vice versa and where if you are black and you die you have to go to a Black funeral home period as no white funeral home will take you and if you are Asian you don't go to a funeral home. There are still some parts of Florida where EVERY Black person is stopped and interrogated since there are no Blacks in those communities. Even in my relatively liberal county there are cities that are 100% White and communities that are 99.9% Black and nearly next door to each other. If you are Black you know not to walk across the city line into Kenneth City which only has Black residents on paper.
I want to cry at all of these but especially at the Ally Steinfeld one. That poor girl.
Could you imagine just people coming after someone and killing them horribly because they were straight? They say LGBT members have mental issues, but it is clear who really does. The ones who harbor hate within them like that.
Yes I think it's horrible and I've seen one beat into a coma in a grocery store parking lot in the middle of the day. It's again common here and doesn't get reported. People just don't know it outside the Midwest
My wife and I have got looks before and when people are feeling ultra brave online they will say we are going to hell, but thankfully it hasn't happened in person and especially when our kids are around. Lord help the person that attempts that. I made an angry midwestern country girl for a reason.
It's horrible, sad, and wrong. I go by the person and how they treat me. I could careless who they sleep with. I just want to bring awearness to others about this if nothing else for literally their safety
Our kids are great and luckily they haven't experienced it yet, but im sure at some point they will and we are going to have a very serious conversation with them about it.
Well tbh owlee birdee i'm against these crimes because no one is allowed to take the life of another person but in a way or another you know it and i know it and everyone know it that i'm an anti lgbtq+×=- and an anti feminist so i'm not so sad for such news because the corruption must end or at least slow it down before it destroys the humanity...
If i was living in the USA, i'll feel comfortable to be a part of Missouri residents well because at least i can find some people there who thinks like me...
Freedom has it's limits and if we accept people because they were born abnormal but we aren't medically advanced enough to fix their hormones than it doesn't means that they are right and not only that, they achieved a point where they have started marching and shouting against the heterosexual people who are NORMAL!
That's about homosexuals and about gender equality, well no matter what right a woman will earn or no matter what position she will hold, she will remain a WOMAN! "A man is a man and a woman is a woman"...
Ladies be careful that not all men are the same, if you have been surrounded by punk males the whole time, it doesn't mean that you can go anywhere you want to act strong and bash men because one day you will meet a real man and he won't hesitate to teach you a lesson that you won't forget your whole life!
I'm glad to hear that there still people in the U. S who still have morals, values and thinks straight!
It's horrible to commit a crime and kill someone, i prefer that they teach them a lesson and that the media don't give them so much importance...
These days if someone says that men and women complete each other and need each other, it's like you have said something horrible that shouldn't be said, what kind of a world are we in these days where the good comes to bad and bad comes to good 🤨
That's so sicking!!! I really wish someone would run up in my "little" brother. He is 6' 5" and played middle line backer for UCLA. Or my little sister. Who is is 6 even. Or any of my LGBTQ siblings. I promise you they will regret it. If they don't handle it. I most definitely will.
I am not going to lie. There are a lot of places here in Va that is not happy with all of that. But, they dare not step out of line. Of anything. Virginians know how to let people live there lives. Well, for the most part. Lol
Unfortunately, there are people who see "different" as a threat to their lives. There are judges that will not protect gays and lesbians. There are district attorneys that will not prosecute hate crimes against gays and lesbians. It's not just one state, or county, or city either.
One of my favorite memories was three of us San Francisco goth kids in my Geo Metro traveling across the country. We drove from SF to Kansas City Mo. I was probably the most normal of us, the most outrageous was Crumb, who was a gender questionable guy who wore a dress and had a long mohawk hanging half way down his arm.
I drive a Smart ForTwo now. This was the 90's we got harassed a little but most people simply didn't know what to make of us. KC was our designation. I wanted to see the Mississippi but got voted down.
Holy freakin crap I had no idea that it was that bad out there but I do know one thing and that is I would not allow it to happen in front of me and I not just saying this because I have dealt with people who were beating up a person because he was gay. My attitude is "If we were all the same we would be pretty boring people"
What's your point? People have been treating gays like this for a LOOOOONG time!! And, I'm confused, you keep calling trans people mentally ill but you're okay with gays? OF COURSE they're not the same thing but, people that bash trans people equally hate gays!!
NOT ALL people! A lot of us don't! We know better!! I've been wearing a skirt on stage since 1985 and, I'm here to tell you, attacks on me are much more likely in hillbilly areas than the city but, I still get it it in cities sometimes, too. One night, about 10 blocks from the heart of the city, I stepped out on stage to sit at my drums and a very oddly dressed Oi boy saw me, rushed the stage and tried to attack me!! He ended up knocking over my guitarist onto my right bass drum and broke my pedal!! At a house party we played in the house where we rehearse, IN THE HEART OF A MAJOR COLLEGE TOWN!! Three universities within 2 miles of there and an all girls college right behind the house, university-owned hospital buildings surrounding us!! A bunch of punkers chased me through the house yelling, "KILL THE FAGGOT!!" They trapped me in one of the bed rooms, threw beer on me and tried to set me on fire!!! Yeah REAL civil people in the cities!!
“Hillbilly areas”, eh. It is great to read that big city folks can be just as skewed and naive as us apparently backwoods mountain folk. The arrogant self righteousness obviously cuts both ways.
By the way, the homosexuals on my mountain feel far safer up here than in those progressively enlightened cities. I suppose that is just us being a bunch of “hillbillies”.
Yup yup, that’s us on the mountain. No wonder the tourist flock here. Our backwoods hillbilly ways just entice. Again, I appreciate your skewed perspective of all things not big city and thus further illustrating WowwGirl’s perspective. I bow to your superior metropolitan lifestyle greatness.
Gays are not in my DSM 🙂 gender identity / dis sure is near pedophiles actually... That's why I don't support mental illness I actually help fix it. I won't tell anyone suffering that it's ok you are psychotic or that your fine if they are not. Look it up if you don't believe me
Because you would get castrated here. Try if you don't believe me go outside for 15 minutes if nothing else you will be arrested for impersonation of a female which is a sex crime here. Good luck dear
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Yeah! I know! I kept laying all kinds of facts on people and thy never believe a single word of it!! I've already explained it to you in great detail, I'm not about to, again! You just go and believe your mental illness theory. If I showed you what red is, you'd swear it was blue!! I'm done flogging a dead horse!
For those who consider themselves “world travelers” yet only do destination cities abroad and never in their home country would still have a geographical bend to their ideology and perspective. Those of us who have travelled to other states and those of us who have lived in others states are very aware of how vastly one locality of a country can have perceptions and misconceived notions of their country and world as a whole. It’s the luxury of their naivety.
So many online live in bubbles and their world is whatever they choose to follow and believe from online. Even their friends are largely strangers who they know only by user ID. It is a mysterious subculture I will never pretend to fully understand just as the world beyond their peripherals are largely a mystery to them.
It's the sad truths that the people who condone this type of behavior don't want known. The media doesn't help by either not putting it out there or putting a one-sided story out to the masses knowing that most will be likely to believe the first thing they hear or read.
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The country was more regionalized when I was growing up. I worked in Texas, LA. and Florida and the people really were different from state to state. The country seems more homogeneous now but I guess there are still regional behaviors unfortunately.
Once I was on a train and this really pretty blonde girl was sleeping head tilted on her side and her hair falling right down the side of the chair next to the aisle. So beautiful, so I was extra careful not to catch her hair as I walked past 😊
anywhere where you are a minority you will face discrimination but yeah I believe you. gays and bisexuals only make up for 2 percent of the population so yeah it makes sense
What's this "hate crime" BS? If someone attacks someone on the street they should go to jail, regardless if it's for their sexual orientation or what sports team they like.
actually the reason is very important, for example, if you kill someone, one of the variables that your punishment depends on is the motive, if it's an accident the sentence is lighter, if it was with intent but not premeditated the sentence is heavier, and if it was on purpose and you even planned that shit the sentence is even heavier, cause it's one thing if you kill as an impulse, and an other if you kill even after a lot of thought, regarding hate crimes, if you kill someone you know because you hate them it's different if you kill someone because you hate them even though you don't know them of something like ethnicity or religion, if you think about the history of slavery or ww2 there're a lot of reasons to differentiate the two
that's a problem I don't know how to solve, but what I said shouldn't even be a concern to cops, cops aren't supposed to decide what is and isn't a hate crime even though some of the articles you shared suggested otherwise
Those are different crimes. Accidents vs murder. Motive can also determine the degree of the murder charge, but there’s no such thing as being charged with a hate crime. It’s purely colloquial. It’s for people who want to pretend their favored immutable characteristics make some people more important than others in the eyes of the law.
that can happen and it's dumb when it does, if you kill a gay guy because he cut you off in traffic, or you kill him because he's gay the context changes, one is something that can happen to anyone, the other is a persecution of a group of people, it's important to know the difference
That arbitrary focus on groups is exactly what I’m talking about. No, it’s not any worse why you hate someone. Killing a gay person you hate is not somehow better than killing a gay person that you hate because they’re gay.
not saying it's worse, but if you kill a gay guy because you hate him it's done, if you kill a gay guy because he's you're more likely to kill another gay guy, and by the way "That arbitrary focus on groups", I don't usually focus on that kind of stuff, but if the intent of the perpetrator is to hurt a group then I think it should be acknowledge, just like I think the intention of every crime is important, to understand the motives of the perpetrator
@G5TWA1 But it's no "done". Again, you're only assuming it's "done" because of the lack of a *very specific* prejudice. It's the willingness to kill that is the problem, not who you hate. It's murder that's illegal, not hating people. It's people's personal responsibility to not murder people, regardless of what they feel -- and that's the line. If we start deciding groups matter, then any crime can be interpreted as a hate crime, which just still means that all "hate crimes" are still just crimes.
Who cares about transgenders pretending to be home. At least come out of the closet fully and say what you are first. Then get a transgender someone and leave the rest of us alone.
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