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I think it's true. Dealing with people that think they have a better understanding of science than a scientist, trust sources that are conspiracy theories, debunked medical advice, basically anything opposite of what real science and doctors suggest, you're going to have frustrated people.
It comes down to trust. Anti vaxxers/conspiracy theorists are mainly inconsistent and not thought out. They don't trust the vaccine because they think the science is a lie but will take monoclonal antibodies, and other meds that science also created. So they pick and choose different science with no real education in anything but fake articles. They'll take aspirin, antibiotics and beg for science when they're ventilated and it's too late. Ask them to explain where their conspiracies came from, what studies they've read to counter what modern science says, and they pull up something that is made up on some dot com site and not peer reviewed. Also proven false with plagiarism software lol.
Their response is... Of course they're going to tell you that. It's an amazing psychological breakdown of reality for them where they can't prove their thoughts and only defense is them asking you to prove them wrong. Whereas scientists have a theory and the burden is on them to prove themselves right.
So yeah I'll say it again we're frustrated but still don't want them to die for their poor critical thinking skills. No one deserves that.
Just saw the update.. The fear is the vaccine isn't perfect but offers our best chance. You might not care about others but I have family that are vaxxed but donor transplant recipients. They are more likely to have breakthrough infections that lead to hospitalization. And unvaccinated people are more likely to spread. Your snarky remarks about fear are lacking empathy because it has never been said to be perfect but better than not by far. That and my fear is that people that aren't vaxxed will die for their lack of understanding. I worry about others too.
Of course it does based on my reply below and it affects me when unvaccinated people are preventing people from safely returning to work. My job could be affected and the vaccine isn't 100 percent. It's just way better than being unvaccinated. Also the unvaccinated are allowing the potential for more variants that might evade the vaccine. Tell me what your thoughts are on this
From NY times reporting about new cdc report
"Three studies that drew data from different U. S. regions evaluated the protective power of the vaccines. One looked at more than 600,000 virus cases in 13 states, representing about one quarter of the U. S. population, between April and July, and concluded that individuals who were not fully vaccinated were far more susceptible to infection and death from the virus.
They were 4.5 times more likely than vaccinated individuals to become infected, 10 times more likely to be hospitalized, and 11 times more likely to die from the coronavirus, the study found.
Vaccine protection against hospitalization and death remained strong even when the Delta variant was the dominant form of infection. But the vaccines’ effectiveness in preventing infection dropped from 91 percent to 78 percent, the study found."
Link
www.nytimes.com/.../...inated-covid-19-deaths.html
Point is the vaccine is still effective against delta but not perfect. You see the chances your gambling if your unvaccinated but we're not 100% protected. The more vaccinated less cases. Less cases less deaths... Less chance of me having a breakthrough case and being hospitalized as well. Whatever you say this is why some are fed up with actual reasons for it. It also answers how it affects me and my family. It also shows my empathy for all people. Saying anything that the vaccine is garbage or unsafe is part of the problem. The data is in... It's our best shot at getting to a more pre pandemic world
i love all the people on this thread pretending to be scientists..
Oh i absolutely do not support him. Both him and his son are criminals, And that doctor they have working for them is just as bad.
It's that the unvaccinated continue to spread this thing, and with every transmission is the risk of mutation. A new mutation that survives tends to be a "better" version of the virus. I use quotations because it's better for the virus, not us. Too many mutations out and there will be a point that the vaccine is no longer effective at all.
Which brings me to the second point, the vaccine only reduces the risk of contraction and transmission, it doesn't eliminate it completely. You can catch it after vaccination, it just won't be hospital bad. We don't want to catch it at all. To accomplish this out transmission factor needs to be under 1 (1:1), for that we all need this vaccine.
Finally, there are a lot of people who cannot get vaccinated, including children, and some of those, like immunocompromised people, will likely die if they contract it. They have been hiding from the world to stay alive for a year and a half. They have had to cut out their entire lives because people refuse to get vaccinated or wear a mask. Is it fair to them that they should have to hide just because people won't do the simple things?
Sure people have the right to not take simple actions that will help make this thing go away, but then shouldn't it be on them to be the ones to be removed from society since they are the ones making a choice?
@Boppy yes. It reduces the potential transmission time to only a few days instead of weeks. Some strains, like Delta, are more transmissible, but even then the vaccine reduces the transmissibility enough to be an effective tool in the toolbox.
Compound the shortened timeframe with the effectiveness of masks, and you definitely bring the transmission rate under 1.
My question too. Why worry if someone dies from not taking a vaccine if you took it and are protected? Are you going to worry about someone's kid not being vaccinated for Measles when yours are? Or are they really afraid that the vaccination is not as effective as they like you to believe because fully vaccinated people are dying too. I don't see them worrying about STD's which has more people suffering from than COVID.
For the first time in its history, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is categorizing drug-resistant superbugs by threat level. On Monday, the CDC issued its highest level of warning for a drug-resistant strain of gonorrhea—saying the sexually transmitted disease is an “urgent threat” to the health of Americans.
“We’ve been raising this issue for some time, and the CDC just confirms how serous the problem is,” said William Smith, executive director of the National Coalition of STD Directors, a nonprofit group that provides services and programs to fight sexually transmitted diseases and works with the CDC.
“There’s no question gonorrhea is developing resistance to every drug created to fight it,” Smith said
It's not that simple. He has his reputation as a politician to worry about. He cannot afford any more surprises because of the disaster that happened in Afghanistan. Then, today, he made a call to Xi to formulate a type of truce because any more chaos will be pinned on him if my interpretation of his moves are correct.
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I watched this. It was one of the most divisive and disgraceful speeches I ever heard. I know he had no hand in this but it is obvious that when his Covid policies ultimately fail he already had somebody he can blame.
Imagine a so called leader criticizing sitting governors because they are political enemies. Biden is no President, he is the worst kind of leader.
He can say whatever he wants, but his "mandate" is a violation of the Constitution. There are laws in place to prevent the government from interfering with the running of private businesses. The only power the government has in the private sector is the ability to ensure monopolies do not form and to enforce tax collection laws. This mandate debate will be at the Supreme Court's doorstep because Biden's mandate is being used outside of the declaration of a national emergency, which Congress themselves limited the use of by a president in Trump's final year in office. Biden just basically challenged Congress. If Congress wants to keep their power and not look like the president's little whipping boy they will be forced to stop him. This is a blatant overreach of Executive Power.
Also, this decision can open a bigger floodgate of the government eventually deciding what businesses they favor and which can even operate, which is the very opposite of free trade.
Unless you're that person's physician, you have no right to tell them what's best for them. Somebody else's piece of mind or their fears do not take precedent over someone health and safety. If you're scared of the virus, you stay home, don't expect everyone else to stay home cause of your fear. Make your own decision on vaccination, if it will help you, if it's not safe or you just don't want to then don't. We don't need an old senile blo-hard trying to guilt us and now trying to force us to do anything we don't want. We need to get rid of him and the other traitors before they destroy OUR country.
We need to remind them, they work for US!! They need to ask the taxpayers if Pelosi needs a $200million park. That's OUR money not theirs to spend all willy nilly!! Maybe a private citizen from say Nebraska or Montana or Kentucky should have to put the final signatures on the checks. And they would have to approve the spending, like my grandparents that weren't afraid to say "put that shit back, we don't need that shit, we're not wasting hard earned money in that shit" and if you talked back you got a smack on the back of the head. I guess I'm saying we need to smack Pelosi, Harris, Biden and the rest of the Stupids on the back of they Head and say straighten up. And when they don't spank their asses in the elections.
Didn't see his remarks, but why the fuck would the vaccinated care about the unvaccinated, much less be fed up by them. Take measles for instance. There are plenty of anti-vax morons out there who don't have the measles vaccine. I have mine. Everyone in my family does. Anyone else can get it. If they choose not to, that's not really my problem, is it?
So why all the emotional crazy around covid vaccines? If you're worried about it just get fucking vaccinated. I did and as far as I'm concerned the pandemic is over.
Pretty weird that we're still focused on this. Seems like it's pretty much over.
Senile, pamper Biden has forgotten what country he's in. He's spent way too much time in China. Took too many notes about being a dictator. He needs to be impeached, immediately. As well as the disgusting excuse of the VP.
He's not the only one. Macron from France also gave a speech about the unvaccinated and what he would take from them in order to protect the vaccinated.
And I would also say: those who have not the possibility of a vaccine yet, like children. It is fine if you don't want the vaccine, but you live in a society and have to adhere to some rules.
For example, if I'm in school, and I don't want to do homework because it interferes with my free evening, then I have the right to not deliver it tomorrow. But I'm also going to fail the class and I have to accept that.
@Saville_Row "To protect the vaccinated"? I thought that was what the vaccine was for, to protect you against getting infected? If you have to protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated then the vaccine isn't worth Doo Doo.
@Daniela1982 Is not a magic wand, you know? It dramatically lowers your risk of getting it or facing it with zero defenses, but nothing is 100% effective. Being fully vaccinated (I am) doesn't mean I'm going to ditch my mask and I will go sneezing into people's faces, or touching them. Because I respect them, and I know there are responsible vaccinated and unvaccinated people who don't have access to the vaccine yet.
If people vaccinate, however, and keep doing their part for a couple of months, this virus doesn't have a chance. It will fade into oblivion. But if there's a lot of unvaccinated people, who on top of that have poor habits and don't give a damn about taking care of themselves, or anyone, you become huge incubators for variants and the cycle is going to repeat, and repeat, and repeat for years.
You do know that there have been thousands or more that have had Covid and recovered. They now have the antibodies and those are more powerful than an untried vaccine.
@Daniela1982 I also know people my age who had covid and recovered, but their health is now very poor, so they got the vaccine. Some of my younger friends who had it last year got tested for antibodies frequently and realized they eventually disappear, so they got vaccinated to once again be protected. The same will happen to the antibodies generated by the vaccines after some time. If the virus survives forever passing from one unvaccinated to the other, and mutating, it will stay like the flu. Only that is way easier to die from covid than the flu. And once you test positive, you have to say goodbye to everyone you love until you either recover or die.
My major concern is just how many times we will have to get boosters? We have defeated most child hood diseases like Measles, Mumps, Whooping Cough, Polio, and a few others but we don't have to have a booster every year to protect us.
Fuck him he needs to stay out of Louisiana we don’t want him here
All them politicians are trying to get many people killed even the Republican politicians push the vax. Fuck them all.
The liberals are gonna get innocent people killed going along with this BS.
It’s dangerous for the country and businesses that are already having trouble getting people to come back to work. If your going to fine business 14,000 dollar per violation. That enough to brake most companies if it happens over and over again. But the unvaccinated have already made up their minds that they’re not getting the vaccine. That about 100 million people regardless if there is a mandate or not they will just say home or take under the table work or move to red states so it’s just more and more divisions and he’s trying to get us to all come together and unite. That not going to happen as long as biden has the attitude my way or the highway idea of unity
Try getting a doctor's appointment or going to ER or urgent care clinic.
Tell me why we frustrated.
It be fine if they keep they diseased hard headed asses home when they catch it and almost dying.
They badass enough to refuse the vaccine, be badass enough to die from it instead of running to the hospital, doctor or urgent care beggin the people they refused to listen to, for them to save them.
Ya wanna die from it cool, cuhh but stop running for help when the time to die for they fake ass cause happens
I wish this Slow Joe would Go Blow. I wish he'd put this much forethought into the Taliban deal and never mind minding this one here. Let the business and so forth decide who gets what. He went back on his word from a year ago. Probably forgot as he is good at that.
Truth be known, if anyone has studied it, the vacines are causing the deaths in people. Covid comes back.
That isn't true and you have zero proof of this and everyone in the scientific community has proven them to be safe. Stop spreading lies and be safe
There are people who are vaccinated and die from Covid, so what's the point?
If you are vaxed, why the fuck are you so concerned about the unvaxed? Isn't a vaccine suppose to prevent infection? (And yes I'm using the old definition of vaccine since the CDC has changed the definition.) Also, if you could humor me, there are those in the comment section whose comment falls long the lines of "Won't you think of the children;" can you please inform me as to which demographic (age, race, sex, intergalactic status, etc.) is being put into the dirt from COVID? And did they have any pre-exisitng conditions, if so what? Also, while you're at it what is the current death rate amongst those that get the vax vs. those that don't and how does that compare to the death rate from over a year ago?
Come on, this? Really? "Many of you are also failing to acknowledge that Biden said when he was president elect he would not do mandates that he didn’t think they were necessary."
When will people stop holding on to what presidents say (yes, all of them) vs what they do as if they are not allowed to change their mind or as if they don't always say whatever is necessary at the moment or to get elected. It's a tale as old as time that you see repeated with every single politician on earth.
At this point, how much is a life worth? Your's, your best friends, your mom's, your grandfather's? A scolding, a mandate, a shot? Doing nothing did nothing and we didn't end Corona by sitting back with our glorious free will, yet none of the naysayers of said vaccine seem to employ any real world solution other than letting people die bc free will.
People are so easily brain washed. Look at the pink anon comment saying that the unvacinated are causing mutations and the virus to become 'better'.
Ask yourself this similar question. What is more likely to make a bacteria mutate quickly into a superbug? Over use of synthetic treatments such as antibiotics on most of the population, or those in the population that are not using any synthetic treatments...
Now ask yourself this similar question. What is more likely to cause a virus to mutate quickly? Over use of synthetic treatments... say vaccinating a large number of the population in the midst of a pandemic, or those in the population that are not using any synthetic treatments... or not being vaccinated.
There have been people warning against vaccinating the population during a pandemic, particularly given that the coronavirus family is known to mutate quite a lot.
He's telling the truth. People that are vaccinated ARE, in fact, getting fed up with unvaccinated people.
If you feel like a truthful statement is divisive, just because he's the one that said it, then that says more about you, than about him.
It's no more divisive than saying the majority of Republicans are upset that Biden was elected. It's a truthful statement about the collective opinion of a group of people.
If you choose not to get vaccinated, then you're exercising your choice, and your right. Just don't be surprised that vaccinated people are exercising their right to get fed up with you.
@kc_4308 "Everyone I know who had covid survived it"
Well, shit; I guess we shouldn't worry about it, then. I'm sure that everyone who has lost people to this virus would be pleased to know that they're the exception, just because you, personally, know people that have survived.
Just the kind if narrow minded, selfish response I've come to expect.
Since this Obama 3.0 US branch of the CCP criminal organization known as the Biden Administration, is so lawless, you can be fairly sure this isn't the endgame. After all, look at how totalitarian Australia has gone on its citizens.
look if they wanna put themselves at risk
they can
I dont agree with scolding them for a choice they should have the right to make if america is so free
i would however agree with scolding parents who dont get their kids vaccinated
thats just selfish of them
@lillie_xo I thought kids of a certain age range cannot get vaccinated yet as they don't have one made for kids yet?
When the vaccinated scold the unvaccinated, its about the most "Karen" thing anyone can do.
Although I do always wonder how anyone knows who is vaccinated, I did not get a arm band or tattoo anywhere showing I was vaccinated. No one has ever asked me for my status.
@rcljr I agree, if he can do this now, why did he not do it on his first day in office? why wait until now... cause he wants a diversion.
Biden is one of the most horrid President's so far i've never seen one make so many mistakes this fast & barely deliver any promises and it's so funny Kamala is completely quiet as a mouse. Typical democrats big talk when a Republican is in office but when they run the house and are in the President seat they're all QUIET. Lol and just focus on things that aren't even truly important and edge close to communism remarks. Look at what you people voted in office.
Nothing divisive about it. The covid spread is mainly down to unvaxxed idiots. The same idiots who end up in hospital - with covid. Then wonder why there is no bed or care for them.
I understand promoting the vaccine and other health measures to contain the spread. It’s the right thing to do. However, you have 40% of the country who won’t adhere to science for political reasons so resorting to threats and shaming won’t really budge anyone. I say, let the chips fall where they may. If people want to risk getting sick, overwhelm the hospitals, and drag down the economy….. then let them. The world marches on.
COVID-19 live updates: Unvaccinated are 11 times more likely to die: CDC director. Only 11 times? The way Vaxers sound you are going to die, unlike vaccinated people. I frequently see someone make the claim that something is "X times more likely" and it generally bothers me.
The problem I have with it is this value is generally derived by taking the percentage chance of something occurring, comparing it to another percentage, and then dividing the high number by low number.
For instance. Let's say there's a 1 in 100 chance of something happening. By changing a variable, that becomes a 5 in 100 chance of something. So the claim is that variable results in something being 5 times more likely to happen.
The problem is that 1 in 100 might be 1 in 100,000,000 (lottery odds for instance), and while 5 in 100,000,000 is indeed 5 times more likely, it's still incredibly unlikely.
Is there a term for this in statistics and is it a valid comparison, or is it a way to 'lie with math' to promote an argument?
What he did is absolutely correct. Well this is how we take care of stubborn and immature kid who don't want to be vaccinated.
My body my choice when it comes to abortion but not vaccines?
If the vaccine protects you why does it matter if someone don’t use it?
"Well there are certain people who cannot get vaccinated due to medical concerns. If people like you don't get vaccinated, then these vulnerable people will not be protected by herd immunity. So still something to fear here."
@Jouth your statement might actually hold some weight if people who were "vaccinated" couldn't contract and spread the virus just like the "unvaccinated" can
You don’t get it. The unvaccinated help propagate the virus, if it propagates it can mutate and that affects both vaccinated and unvaccinated. Vaccination is a community activity, it doesn’t work if only a few do it. And your freedom ends when you affect my health, is just like smoking cigarettes, you’re free to smoke them as long as you don’t affect my health. You are free to not vaccinate as long as you don’t affect the community.
It’s factual, your ignorance cost money to the rest of us. www.healthsystemtracker.org/.../
Let’s be honest for just a minute. Our rights are only guaranteed as long as the people in power allow us to have them…
That being said. There is no exception within this mandate allowing people like cancer survivors that can't take the vaccine without dying to go without. There’s no room for someone to ask their doctor. Your taking someone’s right to choose and people don’t like that…
Give it another year and this president will have real riots on his hands making antifa riots look like toddlers…
He, much like the majority of politicians do not care. Power is all these people care about and it is abused constantly. Give them an inch, they take a mile.
This is manipulation and coercion.
In response to the update there could be a few reasons. The bug one is that I feel they believe it mutates to beyond what the vaccine is effective against. Everyone on the same page or vaxxed reduces mutation is my guess.
Some of them are just dickheads feeling superior and want to talk down to you and i. pose their will.
This President reminds me of the movie “Weekend at Bernie’s”. He suffers from dementia. They just wheel him around and tell him what to say.
I'm not American so I have no bias towards any political allegiance, Biden though in my view is too old and too out of touch with reality to be President.
Good man.
Unvaccinated people are creating an environment for the virus to mutate until a variant which can more effectively infect the vaccinated evolves.
If more people were vaccinated, there is less chance of that happening.
The problem is, it is too late now. This has already happened. We will now have to invent a better vaccine and if there are still morons who oppose vaccination, the cycle will just continue.
By the way I expect to be downvoted for stating scientific fact. Hostility toward science is a virtue in the minds of the deluded.
As usual a democrat speaking for me when i never gave them my consent to do so. I am vaccinated. I dont give a fuck if you are or not. Live your life, have fun, wish you all the best.
He probably cannot remember what happened 3 hours ago.
if anyone ever thought he was actually going to "unite" the country, they were sniffing too many cow farts. His whole mission has been to divide the people ; not coincidently, the same as that terrorist Obama when he was in office. Vaccinated people continue to spread the disease according to science. Why blame only the unvaccinated? It's now official policy that people coming across the southern border are NOT required to get the vaccine. How can anyone be okay with that?
Poor senile Biden is just following the globalist agenda that was planned for in the G20 summits and the world economic forum. He's just a puppet like pretty much every other president with few exceptions.
People are suffering under the government restrictions. We have seen in the recent elections that the population is already on the verge of civil war. Just give them a scapegoat and they will forget that the government is the creator of that situation. That's what Hitler did with the Jews by the way.
You are the people who voted for this fuck tard.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/gVnWkjGIFHwFor the pandemic to end, we need to starve the virus of victims. Infection chains must be stopped. That is, what the vaccines are for (and to prevent dying from it).
Every fucking stupid antivax egotistical ass just drags the end of the pandemic and the return to normal life out.
GET VACCINATED YOU FRICKING MORONS.
#standupforscience
You do realise vaccinated people can still contract and spread the virus just like unvaccinated people though? Their symptoms are just less severe when they get it.
You can't make everyone get it even with the law implemented. The only way you could get everyone to do it is to jail them if they don't. And no such bill would be passed in America. It's like making smoking cigarettes' below 21 illegal. There are still gonna be a bunch of people who smoke anyways.
Looks like tyranny to me. Demanding your populace take a vaccine against their will. The whole thing is like saying I need you to get a vaccine to protect me even though I’m vaccinated. Wtf over?
I got the vaccine immediately. It's my duty as an American to help get things back to normal and to get the vaccine in order to protect the lives of others. 99 percent of people in the hospital are unvaccinated. I strongly encourage them to wash down that Ivermectin with some household cleaners like the idiots keep saying. Let's give natural selection a hand and let all these fact resistant people die.
The vast majority of people over here who are in hospital are vaccinated and while we're the most vaccinated countries in all of Europe our case numbers are exploding
biden, his staff, his administration and every single one of his supporters can just line up and suck my American cock. I will NEVER get the vaxx and I will never follow any edict that racist socialist piece of shit comes up with.
Why should anyone take orders from this pedophile kid sniffer who gave 80 billion dollars worth of military equipment to the Taliban and handed them a kill list?
Frightening remark. Very weird comment from a world leader. Reminds me of some dire 20th century situations.
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He’s a waste of a president to be honest.
Yes they all are. Just fake puppets trying to run our lives.
I'd say its pretty hostile coming from a fake president who is only barely aware enough that he does not need re-election.
Somebody should vax him with some truth serum!! Then we can find out who's controlling him and paying for him!!
Interesting he chooses to scold the people who don’t take certain medicine but lets actual terrorists off the hook and even defends the taliban as “professional”. Wake up, people. Your president doesn’t care whether you live or die. In fact, your freedom of choice is more offensive to him and his entire cabinet than burning journalists alive.
The comment about "Even Fox News" shows his disgust, disdain, and dislike of Non-Democrat Americans.
I think he and everyone else need to get over it. If you're vaccinated you're safe. So calm down. This Covid situation has been turned into a way for the government to keep us divided. Just like they have wanted for years.
he's only voicing the frustration of many:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/mk_s-6h8oC8https://www.youtube.com/embed/fDzoXPTPKh8https://www.youtube.com/embed/OvSPesWAPAMOf course the media will pretend and act like they are frustrated and as a nurse/major medical health care worker , they go to school for many years for a REASON. Covid is the EXACT reason why they go to school for many years. This is their professional that they devoted their life to. No one forced them into the medical field. My mom is a nurse and worked in the Covid unit for a little but has been avoiding it because it’s her CHOICE. We all have choices in life
@kyleelyn199723 and some choices effect the lives of others. as it stands, we lead in cases and deaths. the rest of the world has left us behind 5 years ago.
@Savretooth and how does a nurse stepping away from the Covid unit affect anyone else’s lives? Is that all you got out of what I said?
@kyleelyn199723 nurses because they can't take it anymore... some, breaking to the point of suicide/
@Sabretooth so they have a choice to back away from the Covid unit. They’re plenty of jobs nurses can take on if they personally don’t care for what ideally being a nurse is all about, which is caring and providing medical treatments to people in need
@kyleelyn199723 it's selfishness like that that's the reason we're still in this mess. does the name ''Nancy Philips'' mean anything to you?
there's nothing unconstitutional about it. it was done before.
@Sabretooth that has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that a nurse can literally QUIT their job and move onto another part of nursing if they don’t prefer helping people through Covid
@Sabretooth and those nurses should really move on if that’s the case because being a nurse is a competitive field these days. Make room for the people that truly care to help others
@kyleelyn199723 you're being selfish... almost to the point of being sociopathic. if you get it because you wanted to be a selfish idiot and someone who needs care can't get get and dies... that'll be on you.
@Sabretooth I’m being selfish because an uncontrollable pandemic occurred and it determined to nurses doing what they were TRAINED to do. Let me tell you something. I spent my whole high school career determining that I wanted to be a nurse. By the time I was ready to go to college I backed out and didn’t automatically go to college. Why? Because I realized how HARD it is to be a nurse. You need to be devoted to wanting to save lives. It’s a STRESSFUL job. My mother is constantly stressed and isn’t working in the Covid unit anymore. Being a nurse especially in the Covid unit is NOT for everyone or every nurse. With the stress of nurses, they’re nurses out there that find it REWARDING to help people through this tragic time. Peoples live are NOT my fault. I am in a field that Helps saves lives.
@kyleelyn199723 you're one to talk about caring for others when you don't care about those who are working themselves to death.
@kyleelyn199723 your selflessness is to be commendable.
i don't... but, the thing is that the whole thing was done behind closed doors in the dead of night because it's unconstitutional. i find the act morally apprehensible... but this has nothing to do with that. you should at least care about t he fact that the only ones who'll enforce this are insane individuals.
Dear I work MYSELF to death every single day of my life. I work full time and I am a full time college student. Being a nurse REQUIRES you to put in your hours which is WHY the job is so competitive. It is their DUTY to work. No one is forcing them to care for others. They went into a field that prepares you for outbreaks like this
You are insane for insinuating working in the Covid unit is not a choice. It’s a choice.
@kyleelyn199723 i never said it wasn't. but you don't care about the stress this puts on them.
@kyleelyn199723 or, others who need them who can't get the help they need.
@Savretooth who the fuck said I didn’t care? I am saying it’s life. Covid has affected EVERYONE. It has stressed out everyone, but it’s life. Your logic is like a student going to law school but not wanting to deal with possible murder cases because they don’t want to stress. It comes with the job! That’s why they go to school.
@kyleelyn199723 you are. read your callus comments.
@Sabretooth not one time did I say I didn’t care, I said that they have a choice to back out of what they are doing. You took it as people have choices. If a nurse is getting to the point of possibly killing themselves, they SHOULD NOT be caring for patients in that state of mind. It’s completely obvious that YOU support people working to death.
You took it as people have choices with the vaccines *
@kyleelyn199723 you see the stress they're going through and instead of being sympathetic... you chose to berate them... and think you sent the message loud and clear that you don't.
@Sabretooth where on earth are you empathetic? You used someone being suicidal as a way to guilt people into getting the vaccine because YOU personally are for the vaccine. My message is, is if they are suicidal and being worked to death, they need to back out of that field and need to go somewhere else in nursing. My mother did it. You can’t take away a virus that is already here but you can get into other stress free nursing. The medical field is competitive and whoever quits is easily replaced. Many many many people are WAITING for positions in the medical field
Or not as stressful nursing not stress free
Would you have empathy of the fact that my aunt almost died from the vaccine from underlying health issues?
@kyleelyn199723 if you truly gave a damn, you'd agree with me. but, you're only showing that you don't care.
@kyleelyn199723 i would and that's often been warned.
@Sabretooth why do I have to agree with you to determine if I give a shit? Your whole post is a campaign to get the vaccine. Your post is no different than media guilting the public.
@Sabretooth so if that’s the case that it has been warned why on earth is it your agenda to post about people’s “selfishness” for not getting the vaccine?
@kyleelyn199723 you're berating the suffering of nurses working themselves to death. ever consider the fact that maybe pushing those heathy enough to get the vaccine so that the immunocompromised doesn't have to... but you haven't even considered that, have you?
@Sabretooth I am not berating anyone. I commend them for helping. You used videos of nurses to fight against your argument of vaccines when the video has nothing to do with vaccines. It has to do with burn out of overall , well being a nurse! And what makes you feel like you are of importance to push people to do what they don’t want to do, and more importantly who are you to determine if someone is healthy or not to get the vaccine?
I am in dietetics and as I am a waitress and days have been burn out for me as well working as a waitress. Last October there was a time where I was the only server on working at a high end brunch place , working with another manager and served 200 people by myself because people were out for Covid. Again I commend nurses, but it Covid has been a burn out on EVERY person in the service industry serving the public during this time.
@kyleelyn199723 you're the one who said they they needed to move aside for those nurses who actually care. those filling the hospital are mostly unvaccinated. they've been dealing with shit since this started... even violence. these videos illustrate that they are going through unnecessary stress by those unvaccinated. you're right... that's supposed to be YOUR job. this is what you seem to advocating for: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZRFBhtCI7U
Yes they should move aside for nurses that properly want to help out. I sure as hell would not want a medical doctor helping me out that is on the verge of fucking me over because they are suicidal. “They are going through unnecessary stress for unvaccinated people” what? Did they expect a pandemic to not be stressful? I sure as hell didn’t expect my job not to be stressful. It’s a pandemic, their job is probably just going to be more stressful than it was before the pandemic because not everything was as demanding, but again they learn this stuff in medical school. This is not the first pandemic.
That video has NOTHING to do with the vaccine, that has to do with a teacher not be a responsible teacher and calling the hell out when she developed symptoms. She is a piece of shit for being too scared to just say “hey I may have Covid symptoms , I am getting checked” that is entirely and 100% her fault
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@kyleelyn199723 i think i'm ending this conversation before i say something i might regret.
@Sabretooth you are guilting people through videos that have nothing to do with the vaccine
@kyleelyn199723 yes... and, i'd consider not taking the necessary precautions... like not getting the vaccine or keeping her mask on to be ''irresponsible''
@Sabretooth but interesting you aren’t mentioning that she should’ve just called the hell out of work! So should a vaccinated person with ongoing symptoms of the virus stay in class since they are vaccinated?
@kyleelyn199723 alright. fair enough. but, then that's also why we're still encouraged to wear masks. all this is unnecessary. if people would stop being idiots and get the damn vaccine... this question wouldn't've even been posted. that woman i mentioned? yeah... she was supposed to have a surgery for her lungs... that was postponed... care to guess why?
@Sabretooth I think people need to stop looking at unmasked and unvaccinated and start looking at common sense. Almost no one in the comments on YouTube picked up that she ALREADY knew she had symptoms. They’re people LITERALLY going outside and in public with possible symptoms and then wondering why it’s still spreading. It has nothing to do with the vaccine. It has to do with peoples overall selfishness with just staying the hell home if they have symptoms or they will wait to get tested until it’s too late. My aunt almost died from the vaccine because of underlying health conditions (diabetes) which is COMMON in America like I said before. Do you think a lot of people are not getting vaccinated for the simple fact that many many Americans have underlying health issues that can literally KILL them if they get the vaccine?
@kyleelyn199723 90% of those in the hospital are unvaccinated. no, i don't. i know most are unvaccinated because they've been brainwashed against it... a death cult. they've been brain washed against vaccines for years... long before covid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHsa31Kzl90&t=5s
@Sabretooth just because someone is against the Covid vaccine does not make them anti vax. Also many many Americans have underlying health issues due to obesity. Another topic. Covid is killing people off with obesity and low immunity so why on earth are people not preaching for better overall health and telling and encouraging everyone to get into shape? Why is the vaccine the only solution on your agenda?
Seems like you are the brainwashed one since you can only come up with one solution which is to get the vaccine. Why is that? Because media pushed your thoughts. Every single video you have given me is media driven news
@kyleelyn199723 because the vaccines provides protection. plus, it ain't just the unhealthy. i have no agenda except want to get out of this for others... i'm one of the least that's been effected.
@kyleelyn199723 i'm not even gonna respond to that.
The vaccine isn’t the only solution to get the hell out of this. This is a huge topic I am discussing in my dietetics class is why are people not preaching for overall better health. The healthy people I know SURVIVED the virus.
It is really majority of it is the unhealthy
Of course you aren’t going to respond, because the media convinced you that the vaccine is the ONLY solution
@kyleelyn199723 335 Children Ages 17 and Under Have Died of COVID in U. S. During Pandemic... and that keeps going up. we've had vaccines our entire lives against polio, mumps, measles... the only difference is that this ones has been politicized. well, the unvaccinated are gonna keep filling the rooms.
@kyleelyn199723 no. because it's a petty attempt at a clap back.
@Sabretooth the average child in America is not healthy. And anything that goes against your one and only solution is a lame attempt at a clapback
@kyleelyn199723 even fox news is requiring masks and vaccine passports... what the hell does that tell ya? they don't wanna die.
@Sabretooth and you don’t think people don’t have a right to be kind of not for a vaccine that hasn’t been around for a year? Why do people not have a right to question it?
@Sabretooth Fox News is ran out of NYC, it is mandated in NYC to have a vaccine passport and a mask.
So there’s your lame attempt at a clap back
@kyleelyn199723 because they've been trained not to seek the answers by those like Carlson who ''askes'' questions to no one. they have been taught to believe in microchips, demon semen, alien DNA, mutations and that all the doctors nurses are lying.
@Sabretooth once again many people not for the vaccine aren’t anti vax
@kyleelyn199723 and they also cause their viewers to go into a frenzy publicly.
@Sabretooth or because they don’t want to lose their job that makes them millions of dollars and the company doesn’t want to get shut down as it is a city mandate. Another attempt of a lame clapback
@kyleelyn199723 maybe just the bulk.
@kyleelyn199723 so, you have no problem with the hypocrisy or lies.
@Sabretooth there’s people that would literally eat poop for a million dollars so I wouldn’t be surprised that some higher up would get the vaccine to save their job and require it to save their billion dollar company. If the city didn’t mandate it, I’m sure they wouldn’t have mandated it. Another failed attempt at a clapback
@kyleelyn199723 now, you're just outing yourself.
@Sabretooth no I am not, they’re simply people that would. There’s people out there that haven’t even touched more than $50,000 🤷🏻♀️ that’s your fault for not understanding the power of money
@kyleelyn199723 i do. i also understand a bad faith actor.
@Sabretooth I don’t blame a multi billion dollar company for complying for the sake of the business 🤷🏻♀️ that’s what higher ups do, that’s nothing new. It’s no different than the NFL kissing black lives matters asses for years ever since they let go of Colin Kaepernick and got back lash for that. It’s a risk of a business
@kyleelyn199723 and no issue to them lying and radicalizing their audience. Besides, there is no current mask mandate and vaccine mandates are only beginning now. The fox news story broke a few months ago.
@Sabretooth that doesn’t equal about lying about their agenda , that is them surrendering for the benefit of their multi billion dollar company. Their story broke a few months ago because there has been talk a few months ago about vaccines being mandated in nyc just for it to actually get mandated. I work in a town 30 mins away from nyc and a mask is mandated at my work again because they are so close to the nyc line.
This is being done for space planning and contact tracing purposes in conjunction with CDC/state/city health and safety guidelines,” Scott wrote in the memo.
@kyleelyn199723 or, them just not wanting to die. they aren't stupid but they think you are. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifKbwDf51bA and the result: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKe4kq3CDbw that's a small sample... i can find a hellova lot more.
@Sabretooth what don’t you understand that in order to be in NYC for the most part especially high populated areas, you need a vaccine card and a mask? Fox News is literally right outside a high populated area in NYC. Why are you choosing to be this dense?
@kyleelyn199723 i'm just calling out their hypocrisy. again, masks and vaccine passports weren't mandated at the time.
It’s not hypocrisy, it’s money over matter. NYC had been thinking of mandating it for MONTHS. I work next to nyc I would know this
@kyleelyn199723 just be honest and say you don't care about the truth or if people life or die.
@Sabretooth do you visit all 600,000 peoples graves that have had died because of Covid?
@Sabretooth good luck thinking in life that any higher up remotely cares about you personally.
@kyleelyn199723 no. but i want it to stop... something you seem to be opposed to.
@Sabretooth who on earth is opposed to life going back to normal? What an obscene statement to make. Your take is that the vaccine will just cure it all when in reality the vaccine is not doing that.
@Sabretooth let’s be real, you don’t care about the 600,000 peoples deaths, you care about life going back to normal.
@kyleelyn199723 republican, for one... look at Flordia and Texas. you don't seem all that concerned about it. no one saying it is a cure but if offers resentence.
@kyleelyn199723 not really... like's quite normal for me... as i already said.
@Sabretooth do you not realize cases are those two states are high because those states were OPEN all the way typically when everyone else was on lock down completely? That’s why they are having higher cases. They have been open. 2. I don’t seem a bit concerned about it? You don’t seem quite concerned about the people dying from heart disease. I study that field sir. You aren’t concerned about those peoples deaths because they don’t affect you personally.
About 655,000 Americans die from heart disease each year—that’s 1 in every 4 deaths
Why are you concerned about this sir? The answer: because it doesn’t affect YOU and your everyday life. Case closed. Over this nonsense
Why aren’t you so concerned about this number of people dying from heart disease***
And if you don’t believe my source well here is my lovely source : https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm
@kyleelyn199723 no shit! they've also been fighting mandates and trying to hide the numbers. i think our conversation has revealed who cares and who doesn't seem too. as for you working in that field... so what? you're not encouraging people to get the vaccine... that's part of your job, lady!
@Sabretooth my job is to stay neutral on the vaccine and not push anyone to get the vaccine that doesn’t want it. And as for mandates, that has nothing to do with the vaccine once again, it has to do with the fact that they have been open and they are huge areas where people travel down to. It’s no surprise they have high cases.
@Sabretooth please don’t try and tell me what my job is about.
@kyleelyn199723 you're job's to care for people and advise. if you aren't up to it... follow your own advice.
@Sabretooth no my job is to create a trusting relationship with my clients and offer them tips and trick to keep them overall healthier in terms of weight, diet and fitness. Evidentially you need to research dietetics before you reach and try to tell people about their own profession
@kyleelyn199723 i think i said that.
@Sabretooth no you said I should be offering people to take the vaccine which has nothing to do with health, but in non the less I’m not surprised your equivalent to a healthy life is the vaccine since you think that’s the only solution to the end of the virus
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@kyleelyn199723 FOR GOD'S SAKES!!! VACCINES ARE THE REASONS WHY THINGS LIKES MEASELS, MOMPS, POLIO AREN'T AN ISSUE ANYMORE! are you really a nurse?
@Savretooth when on earth did I say I was a nurse? Never once. Those things are no longer a thing anyone because they ran its course as a virus
Anymore*
more powerful variants. we're on the 3rd one.
plus, it threatens the unvaccinated kids and the immunocompromised.
they are not immune. they have greater protection. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0P8qVlxgxw
@Pterdon don’t even bother arguing with him. I spent so much time arguing with him and he couldn’t even concept that I’m not a nurse
@kyleelyn199723 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz-3GnLUsSs
Are you still on this? Lmao no thanks
@kyleelyn199723 no, i let it go... just closing the case that it was Fox's choice.
Yes it was fox’s choice for money purposes lol. You think billionaire companies give an F about agenda? Nope
But anyways not going back and fourth, enjoy your night/morning which ever one it is for you
@kyleelyn199723 sane. And thank you for admitting that they're full of shit.
Creepy people relentlessly pushing the vaccine are being increasingly creepy?
oh no... who could have predicted this?
I don’t think the intention behind that comment was to specifically be divisive, but just stating facts. All I hear are the vaxed begging or scolding the unvaxed about how they need to get the shot. This is coming from someone who’s obviously not president and hearing these complaints first hand.
That’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it. This is how I feel about it though.
But covid isn’t political
Yes it is…
Higher ups made it political and Covid is a controversial political topic. We made it that way.
Even if it were, how could I dispute what I’m literally experiencing first hand? Vaxed vocally express being fed up with the unvaxed, these aren’t just words Biden is making up..
I disagree respectfully, and you are entitled to feeling this way
And you only feel that way because of what high up democrats have been feeding you. If the media went encouraging the vaccine a different way, there would not be such a huge divide between vax and unvax
Trust me, my opinion is not being influenced by the Dems and I rarely watch the news. I’m solely speaking on Biden’s statement and how I can’t say it’s divisive when he’s just stating facts. He isn’t trying to spook people into getting the vax and it’s still very much our choice in whether we receive it or not. If you’re proud of your choice then your decision will be unwavering anyway so...
I highly highly doubt your choice isn’t because of the higher up democrats. And they have been spooking people to get the vaccine for months and months on since it has came out.
Maybe it would be if I were actively watching the news and keeping up with this stuff, but I don’t. I’m influenced by the things I witness first hand, not forming an opinion based on what others say..
You really don’t need to watch or keep up with the news. There’s a clear divide between dems and republicans. I work in a restaurant and I notice it through there.
I do agree that there’s a divide between the Dems and republicans but I don’t feel like I can make Covid political based off that because there’s plenty of republicans who are vaxxed too, but the shot is allegedly only a Dem thing. Of course this is just my personal belief tho, you don’t agree and that’s ok.
Doesn’t matter what side you play for, anyone can catch covid.
Well unless you’re bionic or some shit then best pray there is no war because you are not immune to getting hurt, killed, etc. Only idiots would encourage a literal war in their own country where their lives would too be at risk.
Good luck with that, G. I. Jane😂
Yuck, go get all political elsewhere, Karen. People are dying.
Yawn.
Only a terrorists prays for the downfall of their nation lol that’s so unpatriotic you should be ashamed.
Bye, now.
Deleting anything else you say. Go rant and rave under your own comment. I’m not comfortable at all.
I was disturbed when he said he will move governors out of the way if they don't comply. Or something like that. Who does this asshole think he is?
The president…
@VanillaSalt No, he thinks he's a Mafia boss.
He thinks it’s 1885 again… I think he needs to be retired at best shot at worst… but I’m not being the martyr for the idiots that voted him in…
@VanillaSalt I agree.
Bring it mother fucker. I’ve got nothing to lose but my life and I promise you’ll lose more lives then I will -.-
Quite a few vaxxers are saying the same, and it’s funny to me that they think that we care.
I'm pro-choice as always. It's funny to me how the same people who claim to be compassionate and caring wish death upon people who won't get the vaccine.
Do you ever ask yourself why the government is trying to force the vaccine onto people. Government dosen't exactly have a track record for having peoples best interests in mind
Unless you have a health condition, stop moaning and get the vaccine so we get out of this mess
@rcljr fuk up you redneck piece of shit
@rcljr I know you're a dumb redneck
Scolding the stubborn in order to provoke action never lead to actual action in a non-parent-child relationship.
That’s all I’m gonna say.
For the updated question: My dad scolds my older sister for not getting it bc our nephew can’t get vaccinated bc if his age. My dad worried that my sister will pass it to him/ is endangering him with her decision not to get vaccinated. His scolding, in that case, is understandable to me. What isn’t is people shaming and scolding others to get vaccinated when they have no relation to them. It doesn’t help. Just provide the facts and suggest a decision. The shame game gets no one anywhere.
He should be impeached, then prosecuted, and sent to prison for conspiracy to commit murder.
RE: "... what do the vaccinated have to fear from the unvaccinated to warrant a scolding?"
Nothing, provide the vaccine worked as they claim, but it doesn't. Regardless, protection has never been the true purpose of the vaccine. The true purpose of the vaccine is CONTROL and possibly something far more sinister.
I still haven't been vaccinated but this story I saw earlier today made me get two doses in one day
This is fake propaganda. He might be in a coma but that has happened to many people after taking vaccines over the years too it is just not reported on the news. I don't believe covid did this to him. They just want the shot in everybody's arm and will lie to make that happen.
@TheMijopapii This is very real and i'm shocked you would make fun of this man's death
It's fake moron!
He's a fukkin moron. His days are numbered... you'll see.
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