Why would anyone want to bring children into this horrible, cruel world we live in?

[sage2021]

I realize a lot of people want to have babies and start a family. However, is it fair to bring innocent children into this world where they will have to maneuver it for the next 70-80 years? Their lives will be harder to live with high crime, school shootings, sex trafficking, kidnappings, bullies, food shortages, cancel culture, leftist people making the USA a crazy place to live in, etc. I'm sorry, but I just wouldn't bring any child into this world no matter how much they love and feel they just have to have a baby. Remember, the baby will grow up. Will they have such a good life then?

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@oshee you gave the best opinion and explained more than I could the importance of the living conditions from the cradle to the grave. You are a realist as I am as well. Some opinions given made me think that some people are naive and live in La La Land, but that's their choice.

[Lliam]

It has gotten worse and worse over the years. I can't imagine growing up today.
Fewer wild spaces. Everything is commercialized. There is less freedom and independence with almost no ability to play, explore, adventure, or learn life lessons on their own with friends. Almost every minute of their lives is scheduled and monitored. There are almost no opportunities for kids to work and learn about money and responsibility. Society is becoming more and more authoritarian. Instead of being good guy public servants, police are hostile, paranoid and dangerous. Everyone is tracked and traced 24/7 and every single thing is stored electronically. Minor infractions go on kids' permanent records.

Raising kids has become insanely expensive and there are fewer job opportunities for young adults.

Kid's health has been harmed by the vaccine schedules, fast (non) food, and chemicals in food and the environment.

High spirited kids are increasingly diagnosed with some form of pathology and put on mind numbing drugs. It's virtually illegal for boys to rough house.

Electronic devices and social media have disincentivized kids from engaging in physical activity and face to face interaction.

Instead of being treated like boys and girls, kids are sexualized by schools at a very young age, taught about homosexuality, and encouraged to question their gender identities. Healthy masculinity isn't being taught and masculinity, itself, is treated as toxic.

The thing is, though, the only way to turn things around and make the world a better place is for good people to raise strong children with good values. The only way to stop the globalists' social engineering program to turn all humans in to the equivalent of factor farm animals is to resist. We, ourselves, must refuse to comply. And one form of resistance is to raise new generations of bright, informed, free thinking, moral, ethical, courageous, strong men and women.

Previous generations didn't just give up and neither should we.

[ohshee]

You know I bet answered a couple of these questions were this girl wants to have babies and I have to bite my tongue because first of all hold on.
I have no right to tell anybody that they can have children or they can't have children but I try to do.
Is I want them to think about it our government our world is changing so fast we are heading down some past it we are so uncertain we could be gone tomorrow

And I try to explain that if you have children right now in this day and time not knowing what our future holds I could not personally bring in a kid into this world it happened to take care of anything that might happen and take care of my child at the same time if something was to happen to me oh my God I was fucking freak the last thing I want to do is put a child out of this planet and not be able to take care of it all the way through its whole life I just cannot ever see myself having a child and doing that and I would not lead to try to somebody else that is my child and if I can't take care of it I don't want one on here on the planet there's tension in every country right now Putin to go AWOL our Democratic party and Republican party they're also greedy and they all have sold us out we don't know if we are coming and going no gas no food no jobs understand where we are all headed you cannot bring a child into this world and rightfully take care of it if something happens to you what happened to the child that's what I tried to project to these people if something happens to that kid who's going to take care of it that you trust nobody not with the child

[sage2021]

@oshee some people live in La La Land; however, you and I don't. We are realists. Thank you for your opinion which gave more credence to what I said.☮️

[Anonymous]

Never through history has the world and life been more safe and comfortable than now. You think life was easy back when we lived in caves and hunted mammoths? Life has always been tough. War, crusades, plagues, death from childbirth, infant and child death, rape, torture (people back in the day really had a fetish for this), poverty, natural disasters, burning of so called witches, no rest-hard work on the farms just to have some bread and porridge on the table for the family throughout the year, famines, holocaust, genocides, no rights if you were female, poor or a minority. I can go on and on. Again, never in history of mankind has life ever been this comfortable and safe for us humans but you’re here whining. Your ancestors went through hell (and had a whole bunch of luck) to stay alive and also have and keep their kids alive in hopes for a better future for their decendants but they did it, thousands and thousands of years, and you’re here as a result, now you want to end it all because the world is ”horrible” and you don’t want to bring kids into ”this world” - all while living in one of the best times ever to have kids. What a bunch of pathetic bullshit. Making a mockery out of your ancestors. Get yourself together ffs.

[Anonymous]

Because they are selfish and ignorant. If it wasn't for 1 man I would never have kids. He taught me something that is priceless. I'd mention it but it took me 5 years of studying to even understand it. Now I'm just beginning to apply it.

But that is why... I have thought this all my life. The reason most don't think how we do is because they are selfish and ignorant. They rarely think. And I am the biggest optimist on the planet, so me and you are nothing alike but we do agree on this. But if everyone knew what that man taught me and they applied it... I would disagree with you. Whoever reads this, don't wonder what it is because you couldn't guess it, even if you had a million tries. I assure you that.

[Seinna]

I was asking myself that for a long time... and the conclusion I arrived at is that it's usually better to be alive than not to be. And also, the world is messed up because of people whose goal is to make us have less children. So having children it the one thing we can do to offset it. More good people in the world could turn it around. That's of course only for those who actually WANT to have children and will put in the immense amount of time and effort into raising them properly rather than let the government do it for them.

[sage2021]

@Seinna what people are making it a goal for us to have less children. Who are these people you speak of. Do you mean the hundred of thousands babies that get aborted and don't get to live?

[Datboi65]

I think it's disingenuous to point fingers at other people and say "see? They are the problem!". I think if it like this. We all want the same thing, we just have different strategies to how we can accomplish it. You can blame leftists all you want, but they are not responsible for school shootings or kidnapping. I'm not even a leftist, and I think this is ridiculous.

If you want the world to be a better place, maybe rather than complain about human issues, why don't you do something about it? Read more books, become an activist, talk to people. There's so much you can do if you really wanted to make a difference. Thinking that all humans should do and stop having kids will not do anyone any justice. Last time I checked, 1% of the population is responsible for over 60% of violent crime, so that means the rest of everyday people should just die? Ma'am, that doesn't make any sense.

[exitseven]

I sort of felt this way when I had my own kids. They had a good upbringing and seem to have had good lives. They are all doing well on their own and I imagine the three of them are glad we decided to have them.
I know things look really bad and the fact things got so bad so fast just makes it seem much worse. I really believe that Americas best days are still ahead of us. Things will improve.

[ArtemisSilver]

Because any adversity can be overcome with enough effort. Things may seem grim, but there's a good chance we're on the cusp of a new golden age thanks to a lot of tech advancements coming to fruition at the same time.

The hard part will just be letting go of the old system.

[KrisPW]

Because if we don't, the world will only be filled with the people who do all those things. If we don't have children, and raise them the best way we know how, then our beliefs and viewpoints will be lost to time.

[RealMarek]

This sort of reasoning becomes prevalent toward the end of a culture or civilization and the West is no exception. I think difficult times presents the opportunity for children to become great people who raise strong families, help their communities survive, or even lay the groundwork for what evolves after the decline. It is not fair for them, but it is not without possible upside. Without children, all that is certain is extinction.

[Creampiekarl420]

Yes because we owe it to them to try and make things better we have to keep trying to make the world better for their sake and entrust these values to them so they’ll keep trying too even though I may not see it in my lifetime i believe there will be a world where no one dies of hunger

[ZackBan]

Because not everyone is a doomer and a defeatist.

There's joy to be found in chaos. Pleasure to be drawn from certain pains.

None of us asked to be here yet most of us hold on tight to our lives else suicide rates would be most of the population

[Sour-rose]

"Oh it'll get better overtime! Better to have them while I can!"
"What's horrible about it, babe? Come on, let's get this started! (young dumb wannabe mom)
"You're pregnant? SWEEEET, I'M SO HAPPY FOR YOU HONEY! Because now we gonna have a kid, I'll tell my whole family. (was his plan the whole time)

[Anonymous]

Because if you have children and bring them up properly to love and care for others then you are doing your bit to make the world a better place for all. If all of the people who cared didn't have children then it would only be the ones who make it horrible in the world having them and that mindset would become the norm.

[snackthatsmilesback]

I mean it's not like the kid has anything better to do..

Anyway that's an exaggeration. There's a lot of good stuff about this world. People, for one. There are horrible people but there are also okay people. And places. Have you seen some of the fucking landscapes on this planet? And animals! And art, and food. Maybe even education and work and challenges. Yknow, building your mind and body and will. Building your character. All sorts of great stuff about the world.

[bamesjond0069]

You sound on drugs. The world is more comfortable and easy that ever in the history of the world. Not to say it doesn't have problems but hello? All the major human capital wars of the past... or slavery or lawless wild west. And really you're worried about school shootings? One of the most rare crimes to happen to people. Smh. Either your just misinformed or you are a leftist in disguise.

[BCA6010]

The world has never been anything but "horrible and cruel," including when your parents grew up and had you.

[BarryLiverstone]

Because it’s never been easy to grow up and live. Every decade has its challenges. But rather than focus on the dangers I want to look at the opportunities and can’t wait to love and teach so many things to my children one day.

[Mahmoud_Madyan]

This world was always cruel and crazy place... is that means to stop living in? , Why even we don't commit suicide? , It's not like you are thinking... I believe that not everyone have to have babies, but if I have enough money to rise babies good rising, not psychopath to make them criminal when they grow up, strong enough to protect them, and love their mom enough to not divorce then... why I haven't to get a babies?

[Anonymous]

Lower birth rates and depopulation are want the globalists scum want, so having kids and raising them well (logical, common sense people that aren't going to fall victims to propaganda and fake news)

Just because you think its a horrible and cruel world and that there is no point in bringing life into it, does not mean that the very life you could or would create would share that same opinion--it could very well be that they would want to have a life here on earth.

[Andres77]

My daughters are not planning on having kids right now.

[CloudMassacre]

I agree, when I see new kids being made still it makes me feel depressed

[OddBeMe]

Depends where you live. You could make the case that me living in America not having kids is selfish.

[Paul09]

Great question. People follow the herds. People are selfish. It is maddness. And 9nd 9ver population..

[MCheetah]

I saw this on GAG yesterday. I don't really have anything meaningful to add other than to say I fully agree with you.

[flautistnaturist]

maybe to pass on being the change we wish to see in the world as a heritage for future generations? twelvetribes. org does just this.

[flautistnaturist]

maybe could these people truly embody LOVE reliably? could you?

[flautistnaturist]

and if they get it wrong, are they humble enough to restrain such error from harming?

[Sonorous]

Ultimately because of instincts to have sex. We wouldn't be doing any of this on such a grand scale without em.

[Apple1996]

The world has always been horrible and cruel. If anything its a better place now then it was in the past so even more of a reason to have kids.

[normalice]

No matter how cruel the world is, in a mere 80 years or so everyone who presently makes the world cruel will be dead.

And then what?

[driven159]

I know I would not want to be born now glad I am on the backside of life

[Ringstretch]

Same thing could have been said thousands of years ago, in some era's life was a lot worse than we have now, let's hope the children can learn from our past mistakes and put the world right

[Echosoul]

The far right has literal N*zis and attacked the Capitol because they refuse to accept democracy but the left is "making the US a crazy place to live in" 🤨. School shootings you can also thank the Right for (they like guns).

[Jamie05rhs]

@sage2021 Stop being a joykill. The next generation may want to have children and raise them and that's perfectly fine! Good for them! They are continuing the human race. Just because you're older now and you've lived your life doesn't mean that others shouldn't be allowed to live theirs!! I have to call you out here, ma'am. Sorry!

[flautistnaturist]

it seems from here; given the options of parenting a menace or subjecting a vulnerable one to a lifetime of great terror, it only seems loving to consider restraint. a sad reality, is that those in position to need to have such consideration, may in reality lack kindly perspective, for being part of the problem due to be considered.

[flautistnaturist]

Valor is sometimes born of necessity, though, and evil will meet up with good. And even to die or be tortured as result in acting out of true kind compassion, is more bearable than to cower in physical health as result of selfish yielding to being party to hating the innocent. better ways can be found, when sought out.

[Jamie05rhs]

@flautistnaturist I have no issue with that position in theory. My issue was with her trying to make decisions for the rest of us when she's not even of child-bearing age. She'll be gone in a few years anyway. (No offense, Sage.) It's not her problem.

[sage2021]

@Jamie05rhs I am not saying people should not have children - I have one myself so I have some experience in what it means to raise a child. Have all the kids you want then maybe my voice will come to you one day and you'll remember what you said. And you don't have to say I am old and won't be around much longer. That is cruel! Sh*t, just cause you are young doesn't mean you can't die. Gee's, I wish you were more intelligent and research, watch the news to get updates, etc. But you're not very intelligent I am sorry to say. Maybe one day you will see what's going on in the world once you take off your rose colored glasses you see through.

[sage2021]

@Jamie05rhs you got two down votes for your answer

[Jamie05rhs]

@sage2021 I'm fully aware of how terrible the world is.

And how is what I said cruel? It's the truth, isn't it? Plus, you already had a child. So it's not like I'm picking on you for being infertile, because you're not.

Sorry if I caused any offense. I'm just sick and tired of older people talking down to younger people.

Also, why is the world a terrible place? Is your generation not responsible? You're the ones who have been in charge all these years. You're the ones who laid the groundwork for everything that is going on today.

[Jamie05rhs]

P. S. I'm not personally gung-ho and officially set on having kids. I actually agree with a lot of what you said. I'm just sticking up for the others in my cohort who may very much want to have children. You're crushing their dreams.

[Anonymous]

I agree with you, kids are cute but it's a hard life and a cruel world.

[007kingifrit]

you are clearly mentally ill from too much internet. life isn't that hard. mass shootings kill less people each year than toasters. and life SHOULD be filled with suffering. makes you a good person, tough, and clever.

i hope my kids have lives filled with suffering especially when they are young.

[sage2021]

@007kingfrit you are the one that has deep seeded mental illness NOT ME!
You want your kinds to have lives filled with suffering especially when they are young. Are you a child abuser by chance? You are at least a person that is into child abuse and we're not ever loved your whole life. Should I call Children's protection program on you now or catch you in the act of child cruelty? You need professional mental health buddy! Don't ever have kids either.

[007kingifrit]

children grow up happier with suffering in their lives. you are probably proof of this. i bet you had no suffering. now you're a spoiled brat so weak you don't want to have kids.

you literally fail at the most important part of life. making more life. you genocide yourself purely for the fact your kids MIGHT experience inconvenience so you don't let them exist at all

you're mentally ill

[sage2021]

@O07kingifrit you are just a leftist trying to upset me. I have a child which blows your theory about me. Looser!

[sage2021]

@007kingfrit I don't even go on social media either. Just because everyone else does doesn't mean I do. You pegged me wrong again. Looser again!

[007kingifrit]

if you have such a hard time and are so scared to have kids then leave it to the strong. if you are bothered by the other races having too many kids. go destroy them yourself

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

It's natural for us to reproduce children. If everyone had the same mindset you have we would have been extinct a long time ago.

[sage2021]

@Hispanic-Cool-Guy I can see why you would give that opinion because you are Hispanic and they love to produce a lot of people then migrate to the USA 🇺🇸 and over crowd our country.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Silly logic. Out of 8 billion people on earth Hispanics/latinos are 0.0% of the earth population.

[sage2021]

Hispanic-Cool-Guy I don't know about where you live, but where I live a year ago my states' Hispanic population was at 41%. What is it where you live?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

You're changing the topic. You asked about birth and bringing children into the world, and now you are trying to make about Hispanics. 🙄

[sage2021]

@Hispanic-Cool-Guy I am not changing topics here. But when you wrote Hispanics/Latinos are O. O% of the Earth's population that would be zero! Maybe you made a typo?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

You should known what I meant. More like 0.0000000000000001

[IveGotNoName]

Not everyone lives in America, not everywhere has high crime or school shootings etc.

[TallAnon]

The world might suck sometimes, but most of the time there's pizza, tacos and games.. Not too bad if you ask me.

[TheFlak38]

If we stop having children the world won't get new heroes to fight the problems you're complaining about.

[gabby100]

But life must go on. These nasties have been with us for hundreds of years its nothing new..

[penteractgaming]

Unfortunately the world has always been some degree of terrible, it is just a lot more visible now.

[joeldalton]

Would you want a world where only the horrible, cruel people reproduce?

[Anonymous]

Because they liberal paymasters need new toys and slaves

[Berhudarol]

To train them as good people so they can change the world.

[Anonymous]

you satanist

the seed war must continue
fill the earth with children

[Anonymous]

There's an amazon movie called idiocracy that explains why

[northwestripper666]

Yup. Let's let Bezo's explain why we are idiots.

[northwestripper666]

You are facetious. 6 million years, and they can't have a good life? That sounds like the biggest pussy of the year award. Congrats.

[sage2021]

#northwesrstripper666 I take it from your username that you aren't such a good person so maybe it's YOU that deserves the pussy of the year award. Congrats to you, sorry, NOT!

[Slim57]

I feel the same that's why I don't want any

[fonduegirl]

90% of people can't understand it.

[Xrrdftgyhuji]

Because there are good things in the world as well

[Dargil]

To make it better.

[Dargil]

Somebody birthed Elon Musk. He makes the world better.

[Anonymous]

I strongly agree

[Dinosaursandanime65]

To make It worse

[UpdateGloomyNights_]

Lol i love kids