If Mike tyson felt he was a woman, would you be okay with him joining female boxing?

[Chthou95]

[Spade_01]

Haha i just saw a reel related to this discussion which was followed by a scene from scary movie where Cindy was knocked out by 'female' Mike Tyson in a punch.

[DextroShade]

Only for the lulz.

[Soteris]

As long as we divided up boxing into male and female divisions, yes. Do I think its "fair"? No. But that has more to do with the stupid and arbitrary division in the first place. I personally believe that sport should not be divided between men and women in the first place which would very neatly make this whole thing a non-issue.

[Chthou95]

There's a reason they're split up

[Soteris]

And that reason is stupid and literally against the spirit of the sport.

[Chthou95]

Females can't compete with men. It would be a big disadvantage for women

[Soteris]

The whole point of sports is to push the boundary of what is humanly possible. That means that only one person will succeed, or of you are charitable then only a handful of people on the entire earth has the capability to compete for the top spot. Literally everyone else is at a "big disadvantage" as you call it and can never win. Yet there is nothing stopping me, who stand literally no chance, from applying to compete myself.

In other words, your argument makes no sense since that would mean we should ban 99% of people from competing if all we cared about is if it was disadvantageous or not.

[Chthou95]

We dont ban. We let them play in their own league where things are fair

[Soteris]

So what? Since you are even worse than female athletes, should we make another league for you to compete in? Makes no sense.

[Chthou95]

Obviously a female athlete will be better than me depending on the sport. But an male athlete on her level, she won't won

[Chthou95]

Won't win*

[Soteris]

But you just supported the separation of men and women based on their disadvantage. You are obviously also disadvantaged if you were to compete so you would need your own league by your own definition.

[Chthou95]

And if i had my own league, id beat an average woman at that said sport. This doesn't stop the fact that men and women aren't equal in terms of strength

[Soteris]

I dont care. Sport is not about being equal, never was, so why are you making such a big deal out of it?

[Chthou95]

Because a lot of women are going to get killed fighting men in a ring. Especially Mike Tyson

[Soteris]

If women were going to get killed, then men would as well. There is a significant overlap between men and women in this since there are a hell of a lot of women who can take a punch better than you are as an example. You are just using very bad arguments, drop it.

[Chthou95]

Yes men will get killed but the difference is that no woman is killing a man in the ring especially on the same level. It would not be fair. Men and women are not the same. Stop acting like is equal when its not

[Soteris]

Stop acting like sports is about equals when its literally the exact opposite. It is literally about finding out who is better than the other.

[Chthou95]

Equal within the same gender. Not co existing in the same leagues. Trans women got banned from women's track because it was unfair that men were in there winning with an unfair advantage. You don't ever see trans men competing in men's track and winning.

[Soteris]

That is incredibly arbitrary. You say "Equal within the same gender" as if it is a given that we should already divide ourselves up into genders in the first place. I disagree.

[Chthou95]

The other day the women's soccer team lost to a men's team with some retired men 12-0. The women couldn't even score or attempt to score. The men had the advantage

[Soteris]

Irrelevant. Only a handful of people in the entire world ever win a tournament at the peek of a sport. If having the advantage or winning would be the requirement of being allowed to compete then the list of athletes would very very short indeed.

[Chthou95]

If you really believe that men and women are equal in physical regards, you're living in a different reality or have seen way to many movies where women throw men around and kick their asses

[Soteris]

If men and women are equal in physical regards is entirely irrelevant to me, especially if we are talking about sports which I believe is all about using everything you have for your own advantage. Making things more equal in my opinion is literally unsportsmanship like.

[Chthou95]

"Making things more equal in my opinion is literally unsportsmanship like" so you agree then?

[Soteris]

Agree to what?

[Chthou95]

That making things fair between the genders is unsportsmanlike. I agree because it would be unfair

[Soteris]

Perfect then. Lets make things "unfair" and allow them to compete together with whatever personal advantages they have.

[Chthou95]

Women will never win anything but fuck it lets do it

[Soteris]

I am completely fine with that. If they do not deserve the title of the strongest person in the world or the fastest sprinter or whatever, then they simply aren't. Why is this so controversial for you?

[Anonymous]

No. People forget that regardless of gender identity or hormone treatment or surgeries, there will always be a biological advantage that biological men have over biological women. You can change your hormones and look however you want, it’s still unfair to compete against biological women because you have an advantage.

[Chthou95]

Imagine an average man is stronger than an average. Now imagine Mike tyson who's stronger than most people. a lot of female boxers will be leaving in body bags off the ring

[Chthou95]

Women*

[Opinion Owner]

Exactly! That’s in no way fair.

[Agape93]

Sure. I love watching Tyson knock the shit out of people

[WalnutButter]

Absolutely! And I would put his face on a beer can..

[Anonymous]

Bwa ha ha ha ha!

[sheenagwapa]

absolutely not