Asians on average have an IQ that matches Whites. But how come white people are so much more historically successful than Asians?

[shocky192]

[KostasKouvalis]

I'll agree that Asians may have more book smarts, but they lack street smarts and a lot of their behavior is really stupid. Also, Asians only became civilized after WWII. Throughout much of their history they were a bunch of backwards savages. They cared deeply about their traditions, but didn't see the need to spread them beyond their borders, or learn how others live and think.

Europeans on the other hand explored the world and up until very recently, had a drive to be better than everyone else. They genuinely believed their culture was superior and that the world would be a much better place if Europeans spread their culture.

Ghengis Khan is maybe the only exception, but unlike him, Europeans cared about not just taking, but also giving back to show their dominance.

Even between Europeans, it was always a contest of, who can conquer the most land or built the better invention. They wanted to show the world what they're made of. This drive to be dominant and leave their mark on the world, goes all the way back to the Greeks and Romans.

While Asians on the other hand, until only recently, typically just did what was good for them and could care less about their reputation amongst others.

It was only very recently that White people lost their pride and began turning on each other, and have lost this drive to show the world what they can do.

[shocky192]

Whites still have the "killer mentality" today I'd say. I don't think it's lost yet. You guys are the most dangerous mofos to ever exist, and I know better than to mess with the white man

[KostasKouvalis]

That's GOOD that you know better. You are very smart.

[inhua]

overall, Asian people tend to lack creativity as opposed to white people but are a lot more smarter and wiser

white people created a lot of inventions but Asian people were the ones who took those inventions and perfected it

historically white people took more risks than Asian people as they were the ones willing to explore the world well beyond their own boundaries. Asian people mostly kept to themselves thus they have a stronger culture than white people who these days don't really have a culture anymore or rather their culture is replaced by woke ideology

[KostasKouvalis]

Not all White people lack culture and identity. But I think the difference is, Asians may hate each other too, but if it comes down to it, they'll stand by each other. White people don't do that

[inhua]

@KostasKouvalis yeah it's quite baffling when white liberal women wanna call out "white privilege" while trying to justify why they themselves don't actually have "white privilege" despite being white

[KostasKouvalis]

Yeah, I think it was Bill Burr who joked that White women have stuck by us through some of the most fucked up acts of human history.

They stuck by us during the Slave trade, the Holocaust, Jim Crowe and Appartheid. It was only very recently that they started loving minorities.

[inhua]

@KostasKouvalis it's mostly virtue signaling. for all the crap white men receive for being labeled as racist, interracial relationships between white men and non-white women are more successful than interracial relationships between white women and non-white men

[KostasKouvalis]

That's because contrary to what the woke Leftists will tell you, White men are far more civilized than non-White men. I've met TONS of non-White women who prefer White men, because their own men are shit

[inhua]

@KostasKouvalis there's some upsides and downsides to being civilized. those who tend to be more civilized tend to lose their masculine traits needed for survival. those who tend to be less civilized tend to be more barbaric but masculine. e. g. a random average Japanese man wouldn't be able to survive on a desert island very long as opposed to a random average Somalian though the Somalian wouldn't know how to behave properly around a bunch of blonde cheerleaders

white women grew up in stable countries thus they tend to seek out the instability/drama that can be associated from men who come from chaotic backgrounds

non-white women grew up in unstable countries thus they tend to seek out the stability/peace that can be associated from men who come from peaceful backgrounds

[KostasKouvalis]

That's a good point. I never thought about it that way

[Curmudgeon]

Because until recently, much of Asia was not free to innovate, create, or think differently. From Confucian tyrannies to Japanese militaristic fascism to Maoist Madness, those in Asia who could have innovated and achieved more were jailed if not killed outright.

But now? With the spread of individual rights and individual freedoms in the Far East, I think the East Asians will start out-achieving Western Civilization, which is sadly falling apart. It could be said East Asia is on its way to properly balancing individual rights with collective societal need, while the West has sadly gone off kilter here. The West really could and should start learning from the contemporary Asian democracies here.

[KostasKouvalis]

Well, there are a lot of aspects of Asian culture and society that don't make them a model race, but one thing I have to admire is they stick together, put their race first and only care about themselves. Of course I don't support their supremacist mindset and racism towards White people, but I do think if White people applied the same mindset, they would be much more successful.

I think it was Bill Burr who joked that White women have stuck by us through our most fucked up acts in human history. It was only within the last few decades that White people started turning on each other and hating themselves.

[Curmudgeon]

@KostasKouvalis but to me it is NOT race, but rather culture and ideology. It seems to be that the good aspects of Western Culture have come to Asia, and the bad aspects of Western Culture ("navel gazing" and self-hate to name two) are opposed in Asia.

[Soteris]

I have said this many times but quite frankly, they are not. Asia is probably the most successful continent historically and its only historically very recently that Europe became dominant. We are talking about Asia being dominant for thousands upon thousands of years.

Of course, this has nothing to do with IQ either but things like geography, history and pure dumb luck.

[exitseven]

Americans have been raised with freedoms that most of the world does not have. They value individualism and have traits that are very conducive to entrepreneurship and success. Americans excel at problem solving because when you are raised in a free country you are responsible for yourself and have to make your own decisions.

[richardcory]

Many people believe IQ tests are not really a good measure. But that aside, for most of history China has been the largest, most advanced nation on earth, so the premise of the question may be wrong

[Drewtate]

Asians in America. Not Asians say in Thailand

[findacure4wokeness]

Because whites had a higher average IQ until 1995.

[barn_stormer]

Asians are smarter. whites have a history of tons of wars which pushed progress forward

[RedHotSallyJo]

Americans have a wealth of trees and other natural resources. I've had the privilege of tutoring Korean kids with English. Their only natural resource is their brains.
Who doesn't own a Samsung product?

[Soteris]

No, it was not wars. While Europe indeed has quite a lot of them its not like wars were rare anywhere else either. Furthermore, wars did not drive innovation back in the day in the same way it does today. Most innovations came not through war but through peace. Greek philosophy is a good example which was the foundation for the entire scientific process that happened afterwards.

[Curmudgeon]

But has Asia NOT seen massive conflict in the 19th and 20th Centuries, and it is looking to escalate in the 21st even?

[KostasKouvalis]

@Curmudgeon You're kidding, right?

[Alexandrubaschet08]

3 words
"gun pouder, horses"

[Curmudgeon]

Which both Civilizations had, but the West took them further, especially gunpowder.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

Nop. Europeans had horses first from today Kazakstan and China invented gun powder but never think to build actualy guns. Afther Europ invented the guns and canons, it had become game over in any war

[Curmudgeon]

@alexandrubaschet08 But that begs the question: WHY didn't The Orient adopt the better guns and cannons? They had gunpowder first, and yet they actually *shut down* innovations they once had with guns and cannons, and the steel and metallurgy required for them. What caused that? I would posit a lack of individual freedom (See my earlier answer).

[Alexandrubaschet08]

@Curmudgeon Simply, many of the early guns whas to slow and Asia didn't have interes to expend in West because of the harsh conditions they need to pass throw Central Asia and in the East they belive like Europeans is an endless Ocean.
Europeans start to get way more stronger before any Asian nation when they discover America and need to inovate theyr guns. A musket could had take even 1-3 min till is ready to fire a second shot. But the natives shot evrey 5s whit the bow and arrows. Afther a time UK or USA invented the revolver and that is the moment Europe and Nort America get in to a diferent league.

[Curmudgeon]

@alexandrubaschet08 Europeans had horses first? That would have been news to Genghis Khan and the Mongol Empire... they had the stirrup first.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

European mabey had horse as well, but Kazakstan today whas the first one riding them. Because of the "New World" didn't have and European had whas a huge advantage in theyr conquest