Is the red pill dying?

[Anonymous]

[inhua]

the truth can never die

it doesn't matter if someone's circumstances change for the better or worse

50% of all marriages still end in divorce

false rape accusers still don't receive any punishment

and men still don't have any reproductive rights

and there are still 2 genders

until the facts change, the red-pill is here to stay

[ronaldo75]

Sneako and Andrew Tate aren't the entire redpill.

[MzAsh]

I believe discerning people are waking up to the various forms of toxicity, degeneracy, and delusions fostered by popular red pill thought leaders. I had someone in my ig dm recently who admitted this.

[MzAsh]

by the way I've been loving Aba and Preach lately

[Asker]

Aba and preach is awesome.

[ronaldo75]

Sneako and Tate were outed as plants months ago. Try to keep up. Spend a little less time here and you'll see the redpill isn't all incels and unbathed broke 50 year old guys who want 19 year old virgins

[MzAsh]

Too many are, regardless.

[ronaldo75]

Ok so is it dying or isn't it? What redpill places have you been observing? Because from here it looks like all you know is a few mainstream youtube channels.

[MzAsh]

I’ve kept my eye on many content creators in the manosphere over the years, starting from when I first had some of them come to my old blog from the Roosh V forum. I’m most familiar with the work of Rollo, Rich Cooper, Anthony Johnson, MLD, Donovan Sharpe, EO, Andrew Tate, Fresh n Fit. If you can count Jordan Peterson (the most rational out of the bunch). There’s also the female counterparts whose views align with them such as Pearl, Aly, Candance Owens, and Jedediah Bila.

[MzAsh]

I believe these spaces are slowly dying at the rate they’re going. Much like how the pua movement got so full of itself and stooped to promoting sexual assault, these spaces are calling to remove the vote from women (Pearl), encouraging men to get vasectomies (Rollo), excusing domestic violence (MLD), excusing promiscuous behavior in men but shaming it in women (Tate, Fresh n Fit), and I think (I hope) rational viewers are seeing all this for the radical extremism and degeneracy that it is.

[inhua]

as long as women continue to portray themselves as anything but wife/mother material

as long as the marriage/divorce rates remain the same they are

as long as men continue to have no reproductive rights

as long as the nuclear family unit continues to be demonized

as long as male suicide continues to dismissed or rather men are shamed into internalizing their own faults even those outside of their control

as long as the MeToo movement continues to exclude male victims of abuse while demonizing falsely accused male perpetrators without evidence

the red-pill won't die no matter who the loudest talking heads who use it are. demonize the people who know the truth all you want but it won't change the world

Tate, Sneako, Fresh n Fit, Pearl, Jordan Peterson and the main manosphere figureheads could all disappear tomorrow and the facts I highlighted wouldn't change

and Aba and Preach are red-pilled too. they understand how the world works and they understand female nature too. they just don't subscribe to the same lifestyles as other red-pill people

[MzAsh]

Women are not here just to serve men and babies. They can be wives and moms if they want to be, and that’s fine, or they can choose others life paths and that’s fine too.

Marriage and divorce rates are the way they are because incompetent individuals keep thinking they have the chops for marriage when most don’t until they do the work to heal past trauma and build proper relationships.

[inhua]

likewise you can say men aren't here to serve women and babies either but that would outrageous wouldn't it? how dare men no longer want to sacrifice their own life because they no longer see the fruits of their labor blossom. even if he's not a husband or father he "should" do these things and standing up for himself is now classified as entitlement these days

you forgot to mention how the divorce laws incentivize women to destroy their man in court if she so pleases and society congratulates her as such and anyone remotely critical of her is the problem

no one human being is above the truth. the truth will always prevail no matter who says it or tries to hide it

[MzAsh]

I wish more men who don’t want to serve women and babies *would* take themselves out of the market instead of lying and then walking away later. I think there are nuances and understandable concerns to the other points you mentioned, but not much of the current voices of red pill or manosphere even focuses on those anymore. Now it’s all about how men can control women through masculine dominance, crying about how much better things would be if women didn’t work or vote or have social media or go to the club or have a life outside of men and babies, and encouraging men to demand loyalty while he cheats all he wants. That’s all they want nowadays.

[inhua]

the lifestyle preaching has nothing to do with the facts

how each person chooses to use the knowledge is up to them

some use to find a quality woman by filtering out the bad women

some use it to become a ladies man and live a promiscuous lifestyle

some use it to motivate themselves and not get distracted by women

some use it to remain safe from what the MeToo movement has become

some use it to point the holes and flaws in different laws and political beliefs

the main talking heads of the red-pill don't speak for the lifestyles of everyone. those are mainly pickup artists and the majority of red-pill men are MGTOW hence the conflict because no one is buying their courses anymore. other includes divorce lawyers, MRAs, former soldiers/former cops, psychologists etc.

[ronaldo75]

"Women are not here just to serve men and babies" - But you're still hyper dependent on male attention and societal validation. You're older but with younger girls this is reaching clinical levels. This is why the redpill is getting less bitter in the sub-mainstream spaces and instead is starting to actually become *OPTIMISTIC* about the place of men as women are becoming bigger consumers, more depressed and reporting more feelings of being lost. In the end woke feminism is going to work out for men, not women. The irony is eating a lot of women alive which is why they say the redpill is all basement losers who worship Andrew Tate, Tim Pool, Peterson and all the rest of the trash.

[ronaldo75]

@inhua Look at their logic.

"Women are"n't here to serve men. "

Man: "Great, that's fine. We'll take our attention, accomplishment and lifeplans somewhere else. You go girl, be independent"

Women: "THAT'S WHY YOU'RE JUST A WEAK LOSER INCEL WHO DOESN'T DEAL WITH REAL WOMEN YOU'RE BASICALLY A SCHOOL SHOOTER YOU LOSER.

[ronaldo75]

I was just gone from this site for months, enjoying life, the summer and starting a 3rd business. What the HELL do you and your husband do in this fantasy marriage that allows you to spend all this time on here? JFC.

[MzAsh]

We’re introverts, and we don’t spend a lot of time in the city. We have a condo in the Myrtle Beach area. We go out to eat and shop every weekend. I have family here, and if it weren’t for that and the beach, we’d be much more remote in the mountains, which is our plan in the next few years, because the south sucks. I mean, people suck here.

I write for several digital publications and work as a relationship coach as well, so I have to be online 6-8 hours a day. I do market research here, and help some people here too. But I do get out to the beach once in a while, but I mostly just like to chill at the pool and hot tub at our condo. It’s really not that difficult. 💁🏻‍♀️

[ronaldo75]

Two questions.

1. How much misandry is in your relationship advice?
2. Which markets?

[MzAsh]

I don’t do misandry. My coaching business is around helping women find quality men positioned for a healthy marriage and build a strong connection based on love and mutual respect. In order to do that, I keep my pulse on different markets that gives me the insight I need, including other dating and relationship coaches, podcasts, personal development and self help, psychology and counseling, feminism, dating apps, online communities where relevant topics are being discussed, books and digital publications, etc.

[disgustingweebtrash]

Yes, the blackpill is growing