Stop trying to "Conserve" your values. It's evil.
Stop being dumb. Whatever your trying to say is not how the real world works.
So how America used to operate was a 70 year old man rapes a 10 year ild girl and the parents find out and go "please sir marry our daughter so god dosen't deem her a whore" the 70 year old and the 10 year old girl parents forces a marriage and a child is born for Jesus christ and then the now 11 year old girl commits suiside. Then the man finds a new child wash rince repeat and can become law makers afterwards.
This is why anti abortion people are truly evil. The only response is abortion rights. Because who the fuck cares about pedophiles? The church does of course but everyone know already.
I really wish shitlibs like you could consider for a second that there are people who are against abortion for non-religious reasons.
But your bigoted ass jumps straight to religious people. đđ¤ˇââď¸
And then you call them evil on top of that!
@Agagagagaga that is the only way to support qnti abortion is being truly evil. People also know that and vote for more freedoms. Like Ohio voters approve constitutional amendment not a historically liberal state.
All this anti abortion states rights bullshit does is leave people in the dark until it's on election ballot and people vote for abortion rights. We all know where votes going and people die waiting. 
You realize that youâre saying the âgood guysâ kill babies, right?
Maybe not. Or you just donât care. Whatâs another word for the callous indifference to the deaths of innocents? Hmmm, could it be evil?
Lol
Morons...
âanswer me this how to have the lowest amount of abortions?â
How about no premarital sex? Hmm? Maybe some abstinence? No? Too crazy? I know, maybe a condom! No? Those definitely donât reduce abortionsâI mean they only help prevent pregnancies so what the fuck do I know. đ
Maybe some IUDs or spermicidal lubricant could help to reduce abortions... or maybe birth control pills... no, that wonât do it either, apparently. đ
I know, maybe emergency contraception? You know? Plan B? Maybe thatâll help lower abortions...
Nah. We gotta kill da babies!
Dude, by the way, Iâm for abortion but the reasons shitlibs like you come up to justify it and expand it are f-ing ridiculous. Take some goddamn responsibility for your sex lives. Damn. đ¤Śââď¸
@naultd No, pretty sure sex education is still taught to children.
Oh I know, you probably think the religious donât send their children to schools.
Lol Oh no! The âbook bansâ (except no one is banning the publishing or sell of any of those books)
You can still purchase them at any bookstore that carries them, and Amazon still carries all your disgusting books that teach six year olds what a dildo is and what diet to eat so you can have butt sex.
No child needs those books in public schools and you goddamn know it.
Nor is there a ban, much as you shitlibs love to clutch your pearls that children canât be taught about polyamory and sodomy in public schools. If itâs that critical that these children get these books you could always justâgaspâleave it up to the parents? Hmm?
âBook bans.â đ Spare me. đ
The irony is that you proved your stupidity. Tu quoque is a type of ad hominem argument in which an accused person turns an allegation back on his or her accuser, thus creating a logical fallacy.
Pointing out "Well your side is evil" not only is inherently a fallacy, its also a non sequitur.
Even if its TRUE that chrsitianity promotes pedophilia (it doesn't) that does not mean being a progressive isn't logically problematic.
This is why pro abortion people are truly stupid and evil. The only response you guys have is to murder children. Because who cares about the choice of woman inside the womb.
And by the way you dont judge a belief based upon its abuse. Stop being dumb.
there's literally a ton of biblical verses in the bible that says pedophilia is wrong.
You know another reason you're stupid? Child marriage is defined as any marriage where at least one of the parties is under the age of 18. It was legal in all 50 states until 2018.
There goes your "Most child marriages are in the bible belt" Argument out the window. FAIL.
You know ANOTHER reason why you're stupid? As a progressive, you have ZERO standing to say child marriages are "wrong." NONE. If the entire country says something is legal, then to a progressive its what the people want. You dont get to say your opinion is greater than the majority of the country. Since morality is a social construct, and if the society deems it good, then its good.
Stop licking windows and read a book.
Pro choicers are so easily proven wrong. Because they're stupid.
"Religious people stop all sex education and birth control options."
According to pew research:
"Even when it comes to Catholics who attend Mass weekly, just 13% say contraception is morally wrong, while 45% say it is morally acceptable and 42% say it is not a moral issue. "
Also from a Pew Forum survey, " 78% favor allowing public schools to provide students with birth control information; nearly as many (76%) believe schools should teach teenagers to abstain from sex until marriage. Solid majorities in every major religious group say schools should be allowed to provide students with information on birth control methods."
You're a joke.
"And who are the people trying to stop both abortions and birth control? "
I already proved your birth control claim false.
Now onto "who is stoping abortions"
According to pew research again, (which is THE gold standard) That says abortion should be "legal in most and all cases"
Historically black protestants: 52%
Jewish: 83%
Mainline Protestants: 60%
Muslim 55%
Othodox christian: 53%
Non affiliated but still religious: 73%
You might stupidly argue: But thats cherry picking!! Nope. Only 4 religions had it under 51%
So thats 6-4 which means most religions they polled most of those people say legalize abortion.
You're a failure.
You know why this is important to a progressive? Because you neanderthals derive your morals from the majority.
Thats why progressives can't really say the reversal of roe v wade is ACTUALLY a bad thing.
"are you not aware of 6 religion Karen's crusade"
YAWN...
You named 6 people who are extremists.
Well here's HUNDREDS on your side. Stop being so easily proven wrong. Dummy.
"The size of Janeâs Revenge is hard to determine. While its first communique claimed to have backers across the U. S. in every city, its May 30 message claims its movement will be âunsustainableâ if it continues to rely on âthe same few hundred people.â
"Janeâs Revenge called for a âNight of Rageâ on the day the final Supreme Court decision on abortion is issued at 8 p. m., calling this a âgeneral guidelineâ to be adapted for local conditions."
"and these actors seem to be behind at least six vandalism or arson attacks on pro-life groups, crisis pregnancy centers, and churches."
Go cry, loser.
No they shouldn´t because not everything that is overturned is progress. Would you love it if there was an ammendment made to the constitution that there are only two genders probably not. If progressives had no values, they had nothing that would bring them together and identify them as a group.
A piece of paper saying something does not make it true. Progressives dont have any values. Not any "real" ones. To say they do is to assert the majority of progressives "in general" believe in objective morality. They dont.
I would disagree they have a common ground that there is no objective morality. That´s why love to have an abortion when they want to, Roe v Wades allows that. But it being turned over means they would have to follow a morality they don´t recognize. So it´s not a progress because society is not moving forward. It´s true though that they follow the idea that values are a social construct. That way they have one common believe in the none existing of values.
According to findings from Dr. George Barna, Director of Research at the Cultural Research Center at Arizona University The study found that the pull of secularism is especially strong among younger Americans, with those under age 30 much less likely than older adults to select God as the basis of truth (31% compared to 45%), and more likely to say that moral standards are decided by the individual (60%)
Progressives are generally linked to liberals who are secular atheists.
According to pew research only 12% of liberal atheists have a stance of clear objective morality.
So you can disagree all you like.
They might not want to follow a morality they don't recognize, but that does not mean its objective.
"It´s true though that they follow the idea that values are a social construct. "
Values, guided by a social construct means that its subjective. Objective means what hitler did was REALLY wrong, regardless of the social construct in germany said it was okay. So, NO they dont believe in objective morality.
Why is it a problem if they believe in subjective morality?
1. Slavery and what hitler did wasn't REALLY wrong.
2. If everyone in the US voted to bring slavery back and it was 51% they would have no grounds to argue against it. "It is the will of the people" and clearly a moral virtue based upon majority opinion.
3. There is no such thing as moral progress, there is just moral change. This means getting rid of roe v wade is not "Bad" its just different. To say its regressive is to say moral progress is a reality. To say its a reality is to compare it to another set of subjective values based upon the society and deem it inferior. Which they cannot do, because that brings a standard ABOVE them both to compare it to. Which does not exist. (not to them)
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It's regression to go back to a time of less freedom.
Wrong. ALL change is progress. Else you're trying to conserve values. Everyone knows to conserve values is wrong, by definition you'd be a conservative. Conservatives are bad.
For something to "regress" is a subjective value judgement. Some would view it as progress. Your opinion doesn't override everyone else's. Sorry.
I guess if you choose to believe that I can't stop you but in real life progress is more freedoms for more people. Otherwise you could just flip a law back and forth a million times a second and say you're the most progressive person ever, without actually getting anywhere. You seem to be caught up in the name "progressive" instead of considering what it means to progress.
The thing is, people who are interested in practicalities don't generally care what you call things. If you want to call it conservative I'm fine with that. Still want to do it, though. I don't automatically like or dislike things based on their name đ¤ˇ
In real life, progress is viewed to mean a variety of different things to a variety of different people.
To say you're actually getting somewhere is to assert an objective moral stance, which the vast majority of progressives DO NOT HOLD TO.
You seem to be caught up in the word "progress" instead of considering what it means to be a "Progressive."
This is not word games. This is what concepts mean. Stop playing word games.
The thing is, people who are interested in concepts actually DO generally care what you call things, because if you dont make it know what you mean by a particular collection of axioms, you cannot have a conversation.
So, WRONG again.
The vast majority of progressives DO like or dislike things based upon their "name". Using racial slurs for example is generally considered "bad" by the vast majority of progressives. And if you disagree with that, you can hardly call yourself a progressive.
FAIL
Typical progressive, can't even make a single comment without being proven wrong.
That's because progressives have problems backing up their claims, and reading.
Let me get this straight. You'll type out a novel as a response with 120 words. But refuse to read something with 40 more words. I guess 40 additional words is too hard for you.
Your troll detector must only go off at 40 additional words. Because it certainly failed you when you first commented to this post.
You need a new troll detector. Yours is broken.
OR, maybe its because you don't have an argument. Im betting it's that.
"Yeah, I get the impression you are being sarcastic." That's an interesting baseless claim, since you didn't read the main objection.
Or you did read it, and you're lying. Progressives do that often.
So you lied. Definition of skimmed: "Skimming is a METHOD OF READING whereby you read through a text quickly, without stopping to read every word."
So you dont have an argument. Thats what i thought.
Ill remind you, this is not semantics. You said "I'm... not going to read any of that. "
Skimming implies you read SOME of it.
You lied.
Again, you assert progressives want to objectively get somewhere which is to assert an objective moral stance. Which progressives do not hold to.
It IS cool. I proved you're a liar and I've proved you contradicted yourself. You said you didn't want to waste time, and yet here you are.
Again, you assert progressives want to objectively get somewhere which is to assert an objective moral stance. Which progressives do not hold to.
You've already read 23 word comments. Now you just look like a coward.
So you're someone who contradicts themselves, who is a coward, and a liar. Neat.
FYI the TLDR tactic only works if you haven't already read comments with the same length or shorter.
Your internet game tactic is weak.
If you were trying to convince me you had an iq less than a housefly, I'm afraid you accomplished the opposite.
Its actually less than a rock.
Great. So you convinced me your IQ was less than 1 by accident. Neat.
Your logic is trash. You can say "no i didn't" all you like. I can be convinced by your comments that you're dumb whether it was your intent or not. Thats why i said it was by accident.
Then you should stop commenting and proving yourself a hypocrite and commenting now.
You're a joke.
You should save your comments until the weekend. Hypocrite. Take your own advice. Dummy.
I said, stop being a hypocrite and take your own advice. Wait until the weekend.
They are hypocrites who donât practice what they preach.
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