How do you feel about Trump's point?

[Juxtapose]

Be careful..

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If presidents didn't have immunity, then why is George W Bush walking free?

[exitseven]

He is correct. Look at what the liberals are doing to the cops. They are taking away immunity in many Democrat run cities. If a cop makes a mistake or arrests a minority and they resist arrest and if he has to physically subdue the scum bag and some bleeding heart in the crowd takes a video and the cop gets fired, loses his pension and might do jail time. Ad a result cops cannot really do their jobs because they could be penalized for it. The consequences for doing this to the president are a million times more consequential. Instead of an armed robber getting away we could be in World War 3 because a president was hesitant to act because he could be imprisoned.

[exitseven]

Thanks for the MHO

[Juxtapose]

Certainly 👍

[gorydetails]

If you're going to prosecute presidents, GWB and Obama would be hung for war crimes.

[Juxtapose]

Oh absolutely! People like to forget that Bush existed and that Obama bombed the fuck out of Yemen.

[goaded]

As usual you leap to the fallacy of the excluded middle: If a president is allowed to get away with one crime he must be allowed to get away with all crimes.

Bullshit.

[gorydetails]

@goaded You're right. Trump committed no crimes, and GWB and Obama invaded sovereign countries without congressional approval. What they did is infinitely worse.

[goaded]

Trump assassinated an Iranian general, remember?

Not to mention that whole organising a violent insurrection in a failed attempt to stay in power.

[gorydetails]

@goaded except he didn't organize anything. You're thinking of the FBI and Pelosi.

[Juxtapose]

No the whole insurrection was a Fed operation. Protesters were literally let go because they were found to have been entrapped by FBI agents who were giving them guns, ammo and encouraging them to commit violence.

It's the same thing the racist government did against the blacks and how they would try to sabotage their protests.

[Juxtapose]

@goaded but yeah, Trump did not invade a sovereign country without Congressional approval. That's way worse than whatever bullshit you can try to pin on trump.

[goaded]

@gorydetails Iranian general.

[goaded]

@Juxtapose Oh, do, please give us a name or two of these poor entrapped "protesters" that were "let go"!

You know a dozen or so people have been convicted of seditious conspiracy and sentenced to decades for Jan 6?

[gorydetails]

@goaded The FBI won't give us their informant list. Otherwise I'd be able to. I saw their guy Ray Epps got a year of probation So that was a nice nothing.

[gorydetails]

@goaded Is an Iranian general the same as Iraq and Libya? You sure about that?

[goaded]

@gorydetails No, I was asking for the people who were charged and let go because they were "entrapped". Their names will be public record.

Be careful! Discussing whether the murder of "an Iranian general [is] the same as Iraq and Libya" is getting into the realms of nuance, and you don't do that. Especially when we're discussing whether some crimes by presidents should be punished.

Trump wants immunity for ANY crime he committed while (not even as) president. That's wrong.

[gorydetails]

@goaded Wait you think the people the FBI entraps go off scott free? No, that's only their informants like Epps.

[Juxtapose]

I'm not going to look through all my searches to find it. A few protesters were thought to be entrapped.. by a jury so they were like go.

Yeah those sentences for decades is Banana Republic levels of retardation that I am frankly not going to entertain as in any way legitimate. Maybe a few of them were actually want to be revolutionaries but I doubt more than a small handful. And that small handful was armed by feds.

Bus loads of feds were on location and the FBI won't even deny that they had feds on scene.

[goaded]

I'm pretty sure it never happened, but I'm open to being proved wrong. Unlike some.

[goaded]

You can have a look on here. Most of the dismissed cases were because the accused was dead, leaving about 5 that might fit your claim, but don't.
www.npr.org/.../the-capitol-siege-the-arrested-and-their-stories

[milyjohn]

I don't understand how democrats don't think that this new banana republic will come back to vite them in the ass.

[goaded]

You're the ones literally trying to give Biden the right to do anything he wants without consequences. Biden is the president now.

[Juxtapose]

@goaded the Democrats started this and you're surprised the Republicans are doing it right back to them?

[milyjohn]

What are you talking about? Biden can already do whatever he wants without consequences. It’s a two tier justice system, and Biden is on the special tier.

[goaded]

Trump is arguing in court, today, that the president should be allowed to commit any crime imaginable while in office and not be prosecuted. (At least not unless he's been impeached and convicted in the Senate first.)

Trump is the only US president ever to have been indicted because he's the only US president to blatently steal and mishandle government documents since it was made illegal and the only president ever to not peacefully accept defeat and hand over power to his rightful successor. That's so far over the line, it's crazy.

And you want Biden to have that right, too, for some reason.

Limited immunity is one thing, unlimited immunity is another.

Do you really not see how incredibly dangerous he is?

[milyjohn]

Trump just wants to be treated the same way as Biden. I think that’s pretty fair. Are you really going to vote for Biden again?

[nonyabeez-wax]

@milyjohn only the insane, and the dead, would vote for Biden.

[goaded]

He is being treated the same way as any other president would be if they engaged in a violent insurrection to stay in power. Fortunately, only one US president has ever tried it.

Hell, if he'd just stayed quiet, he'd probably have got away scott-free.

[nonyabeez-wax]

The insurrection that had a police escort, and was walked inside. Had multiple feds trying to get people to be violent.

The insurrection that Trump literally said "go home" "be peaceful"

My guy, the tweets are still up, and the videos were released, there was no insurrection.

He hasn't been convicted of that, you're just making an unfounded accusation.

We have something in this country called 'innocent until proven guilty', which you seem to have backwards.

[goaded]

The author of that last response has me blocked. But he's probably wrong.

[nonyabeez-wax]

You can read all of the replies if you hit "reply"...

[Juxtapose]

@goaded "The insurrection that had a police escort, and was walked inside. Had multiple feds trying to get people to be violent.

The insurrection that Trump literally said "go home" "be peaceful"

My guy, the tweets are still up, and the videos were released, there was no insurrection.

He hasn't been convicted of that, you're just making an unfounded accusation.

We have something in this country called 'innocent until proven guilty', which you seem to have backwards."

[Juxtapose]

That's what he said.

[goaded]

So I was right.

[nonyabeez-wax]

If I could send a face palming Pikachu right now, I would...

[goaded]

I assume that's an attempt to justify himself?

"The insurrection that Trump literally said "go home" "be peaceful""
ONLY AFTER IT FAILED!

Trump could have told them they'd had a good run, but today was the end of it. He could have not sent the attackers he knew were armed to the Capitol. He could have not personally sent the tweet blaming Pence in the middle of the attack. He could have told them to stop and go home any time in the hours of the attack.

He didn't. He sat and watched with a smile on his face.

[nonyabeez-wax]

It was literally the day before when he said to be peaceful...

This guy is nuts, which is exactly why I blocked him. Its like arguing with a brick wall to be transparent.

He's just too disingenuous to listen.

[milyjohn]

@non
There must be millions of insane people. Lol.

[Juxtapose]

@goaded "It was literally the day before when he said to be peaceful...

This guy is nuts, which is exactly why I blocked him. Its like arguing with a brick wall to be transparent.

He's just too disingenuous to listen."

Buurrrrn 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[nonyabeez-wax]

@milyjohn

There is no way millions of people drove 4+ hours to vote in very specific counties in only the swing states so that there would be a 300% turn out rate in just those counties.

2020 was too suspicious to be legit.

Millions, yes, but not 81 million.

[nonyabeez-wax]

@Juxtabpose stirring the pot. Lmao

[Juxtapose]

@nonyabeez-wax and they want to say that he received more black votes than Obama, the first black president.

[nonyabeez-wax]

Yeah, there is no way. I know TONS of people who voted for him for no other reason than his race. Then there was the "if you don't support him you're a racist" narrative that was floating around both of his elections.

There is no way the guy who said "decide if your for me or trump or you're not black"(paraphrased as you need to with most things Joe Biden says)- got more votes than the first black president who was previously the most popular president ever elected in his first term.

[goaded]

"It was literally the day before when he said to be peaceful."
Oh, yeah? Link?

No "Buurrrrn", just lies.

[nonyabeez-wax]

I dont use Twitter, but its public. Anyone can "fact check" me.

[goaded]

www.presidency.ucsb.edu/.../tweets-january-5-2021

[milyjohn]

It baffles me that Democrats not only loved insurrections during the summer of 2020, they even encouraged them.

Now they think they’re horrible. I wonder why?

[nonyabeez-wax]

Oh look, a link with conveniently out of context tweets, with one that has too many characters. Almost like its a bad source. Try on x next time? The actual tweets?

[nonyabeez-wax]

@milyjohn its all about the narrative.

[nonyabeez-wax]

My bad, I misread one as two for a minute.

[Juxtapose]

@goaded lol the tweet was literally taken down and Trump had to show people an archive of it.

[goaded]

Lies. They took down tweets from Jan 6, during or after the attack, not before, and he only mentioned peace a 14:39, a quarter hour after tweeting "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!", while the VP's security detail were fearing for their lives and preparing to use lethal force.

www.presidency.ucsb.edu/.../tweets-january-6-2021

[nonyabeez-wax]

"Lies" says the guy actively lying.

[goaded]

Why don't you just unblock me, rather than talking behind my back?

[nonyabeez-wax]

Because you're an idiot who can figure out how to read my replies. Which is stupid simple. Besides, you are already are a Christianophobe, of which I am a Christian. Wouldn't want to scare you now would I.

[goaded]

I think it's because you're chicken, as well as a liar, but whatever.

[goaded]

What Trump wants is absolute immunity even for crimes against the country.

His lawyer said that a president should be allowed to order the killing of a political rival and not be prosecuted unless he's impeached and convicted in the senate.

[goaded]

His defence during his second impeachment (where 57% of the Senate voted to convict) included the argument that it should be left up to the judicial branch. Several Republican senators used that as an excuse for not convicting him.

[Juxtapose]

So you think George W Bush or Obama shouldn't be tried for their war crimes but Trump should over some fake bs?

[goaded]

"Fake BS" like trying to maintain himself in the presidency against the results of the election? That's quite an important crime, ending American democracy.

[Juxtapose]

He is allowed to question the results of an election and is actually his duty to question the election if it is shoddy.

In the USA you do not need an ID to vote and harvesting ballots and mail-in ballots are very fraudulent. France doesn't even allow that to happen in their country because it sucks so bad.

[Juxtapose]

But yeah, awfully convenient how you ignored George Walker Bush but go after Trump when GWB is a bona fide war criminal who got off scot-free.

Do you have any idea the chaos that will happen if presidents are regularly prosecuted? All of the presidents that have sat in office since I have been alive could be prosecuted for something.

There's a good reason why presidents have immunity.

[Juxtapose]

Are you going to go after Obama for killing innocent people in Yemen?

[goaded]

If you're driving a car that looks like mine, I don't have the right to take it off you by force. Especially not if I've been told many times by people around me that it's safe at home in my garage.

Trump lied and cheated and organised an attempted coup, and you think that's just fine because you believe the lies he told you. It's pathetic. So is the Republican leadership for not standing up for democracy.

But this question is about whether presidents can break whatever laws they like without consequences. Trump and his supporters say yes, everyone else says no, a president is not a king.

As usual you leap to the fallacy of the excluded middle: If a president is allowed to get away with one crime he must be allowed to get away with all crimes.

Bullshit. Nobody cares about someone driving a couple of miles an hour over the speed limit on an empty road, everyone cares about people driving 100 outside a school.

You forgot the alleged murderer that Trump had gunned down rather than arrested and brought to trial. Personally, I find Bush's torture regime far worse than that or having American jihadists killed, but I guess they do make allowances for presidential actions.

[Juxtapose]

You just have a bunch of stupid bullshit which has not even been proven in court while GWB invading of sovereign country without Congressional approval is right there for everybody to see.

[Juxtapose]

And comparing what Bush or Obama did to driving a couple of miles over the speed limit is ridiculous, especially since you believe the January 6th lies.

Jan 6th was an operation by the feds.

[goaded]

Just wait a couple of months.

[Juxtapose]

He's going to win, this lawfare is too blatant and Americans are not for it. You can already see it in the polls.

[Juxtapose]

You can convict him with whatever you want that point because he can just part in himself unless he is impeached.

[Juxtapose]

*You can convict him with whatever you want at that point because he can just pardon himself unless he is impeached.

[goaded]

Nice spelling! He can't pardon himself when he's convicted in Georgia or New York.

And why would you vote for a president who thinks he might need to pardon himself?

[goaded]

Or a president who's hoping for an economic crash, for that matter?

[DryGermanGuy]

https://youtu.be/svt_z-l12HY?si=AMKdYqA1JaW45y34

[nonyabeez-wax]

The more they go after Trump, the more I'm going to support him. I have yet to see anything that he's actually done thats illegal.

[DryGermanGuy]

I doubt even one of his sentences has any basis in fact, laws, morale, respect for the office or tradition.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/V7vvyxhiuno

[Juxtapose]

You're describing Biden.

[jimmy2]

He was still President untill they accepted the vote which was ,9pm

[Notherndude84]

Trump is a pathological liar, 🤥 I don’t believe anything he says unless it is confirmed by other reliable sources

[OddBeMe]

Bahahahahahaha

one million Covid dead.
economy hit from inflation
and he thinks he did a great job. Bet you do too.

[Juxtapose]

Covid deaths are fake and inflation is Biden's fault.

[OddBeMe]

Spoken like a true trumper!