Has the Left replaced the figure of the proletarian with LGBTQ, Black and Muslim?

[Julie4]

[RavVid]

Exactly. Marxist just requires you to define an oppressed class. Usually you will define the oppressor by defining the oppressed. After that you will find a bunch of prepared scripts shrink wrapped to your Marxist box.

International Communism defined the proletarian as the oppressed. Chinese Communism defined the peasant as the oppressed. Anything slots in to the Marxist framework.

For brevity I won't say that Nazi and Fascist philosophy borrowed heavily because people have a problem with acknowledging that.

[lightbulb27]

not sure about that term... those be the wage earners, workers. lot of the left works.

they did coagulate and make their enemy of religious (Christian) and white males.

It's weird to have LGBTQ... and you forgot the +... all in one group. they don't fit.

[laly520]

nope not really

such statement fails to capture the complexities of modern social movements

simply put social n political movements evolve over time in response to changing social, economic n cultural conditions

[handsomelad70]

He's likely a Trumpster. He probably can't deal with complexity.

[Jennz6]

@laly520 good answer

[Berethor]

Fairly ironic to support LGBT and Islam at the same time, as muslims are killing LGBT.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/homosexuality.aspx

[Flatmanlewis]

This ALWAYS baffles me. Lefties crying about bakers not making wedding cakes and Christians holding paper signs at pride festivals but they are literally still jailing homosexuals in Africa and throwing gays off buildings in Afghanistan. Not a peep. Funny - they are usually the same ones who talk about how important human rights are too.

[DJB72]

It's only a matter of time before the "left" will put up a black Muslim transgender lesbian single mother as their candidate in every election and disallow any vote for anyone else on the grounds of "phobic" behaviour.

Perspectives viewed as Centre-left in the 1990s are being screamed at for being hardcore right-wing extremist policies now - like stopping illegal immigrants entering a country (not just the US)

[Flatmanlewis]

There are some strong Marxist underpinnings to many of these movements and they make no attempt to hide it, so, yes. In some ways they have.

[handsomelad70]

The right is overtly Fascist in their viewpoint.

[Flatmanlewis]

A- That has nothing to do with the question.
B - “overly” fascist? So there is an acceptable level of racism?
C - You are mistaken. The right is the least fascist of the parties. It’s the ‘far right’ you must be referring to which is named very inaccurately since their politics align far more with extreme left than they do any Republican, or Constitutionalist values. These far right people are but jobs who hate the government. This is not a right value.

[Flatmanlewis]

Correction: So there is an acceptable level of fascism?

[handsomelad70]

The Far Right consists of white nationalists and white supremacists who hate POC. In fact, MOST far rightists are anti-Black bigots.

[Flatmanlewis]

This is accurate. Exactly as I explained above. However the Askers question is about the left, so…

[exitseven]

not a bad analogy. They claim to be oppressed by the white man.

[handsomelad70]

We blacks have been oppressed by the white man for over four centuries.

[exitseven]

@handsomelad70 yes, getting free college, getting preferential treatment for jobs, getting benefits nobody else can qualify for, and having the legal system stacked in your favor. That's a tough beat for sure.

[handsomelad70]

The legal system stacked in our favour? Black men are imprisoned FOR THE SAME CRIMES at SIX TIMES the rate of white men.(Ever hear of mass incarceration of black men, boy? There's a book called "Mass Incarceration:The New Jim Crow" which explains the phenomena of poor black men's being falsely or at least frivously arrested, tried and imprisoned because they can afford only vastly overworked public attorneys.) . If we get preferntial treatment for jobs, why is our unemployment rate TWICE white men's?( Your racist like would say it's because we're lazy n****rs, but anyway...) You must've forgotten all the post World War Two largess which went only to WHITES, so they could flee the cities for segregated suburbs out of which we were red-lined by banks, and excluded by anti-black covenants which kept the few of us who could afford to live in suburbs from buying homes there. Add educatiobal and occpational discrimination (to say nothing of police brutality) and we "advantaged" blacks have TWELVE PERCENT AT MOST whites' wealth. Oh, my heart bleeds for you put-upon honkies, especially you white boys. As my father would have said of you,"You're as full of s**t as a Christmas turkey." When's your birthday, boyo, so I can buy you a nice clean white sheet and hood, you white supremacist pr*ck!!!

[exitseven]

@handsomelad70 I agree that the rich have it wired. In rhe state I live there is a law on the books that if you are in possession of an unregistered firearm it is a mandatory year in jail. Naturally 90% of the people who got lugged for this were gang bangers the liberal court decided the law was racist and will not enforce it. If back people are arrested 6 times more than white people it is because they commit most of the crimes. The democrats have black people convinced they are victims. It is not true.

[disgustingweebtrash]

No. It's not in that way. It's more like their enemy is the white working class so they seek to erode it and destroy it.

[handsomelad70]

Their enemy is THE working class, irrespective of race, creed, colour, sex, gender idenitity, national origin or ability, which is why these filthy rich POS use various bigotries to keep us 99.9999999 percenters fighting each other instead of them.

[disgustingweebtrash]

@handsomelad70 You are right, but all working classes desire to be around people in their likeness. If we observe western nations we can clearly see the white working class is torn down to prop up minorities.

[handsomelad70]

And that's why WHITE working class men's wages are about 30% less in real dollars in before the 1975 Davos Conference, in which the bosses decided that to further enrich themselves, they would use bigotry among the disparate ethnicities in the working class to keep them fighting each other instead of them. (Hence:Ray-Guns, Thatcher, to a much- lesser extent, our just-deceased Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and other Western New Right leaders.) The overlords care as little for the white working class;they're just a means to their perfidious ends. Hopefully, before I join my parents, two sisters, and various other relatives and friends on the Pearly Gates Ranch,(I'm sometimes called "Cowboy") the toilers of ALL stripes will realize they're being played like so many harps by the rich, unite and EAT THE RICH !!!

[Al_Musafir]

Where is the Muslim part in it?

[Staximus]

The left, what a bunch of suckers

[handsomelad70]

The Right has the figure of fugly, gun-toting, straight, cisgender racist white men.

[Anonymous]

No i don't think so

[Astarlessnightsky]

Short Answer: No.

[normalice]

Probably not