So…Israel does just want war?

[OddBeMe]

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Even Israeli families of hostages are outraged.

[Juxtapose]

Well yeah, they're not going to withdraw all of their troops from Gaza. That was what Hamas wanted and Hamas would have just used that as a tactical advantage.

Hamas knows that if Israel rejects the deal they will face international pressure so this is a big win-win for them.

[OddBeMe]

They closed the book completely and didn’t bother bargaining.

[Juxtapose]

No they bargained for a good amount of time but they made it clear they would not accept certain terms which Hamas insisted on. You put up boundaries and you stick by your boundaries, otherwise people won't take you seriously.

[OddBeMe]

lol! Stick by your bondaries but then invade and bomb children. You Netanyahu and putin should have a three way.

[Juxtapose]

You keep saying they bomb children when they straight up don't, at least not anymore than what the US does. The fatalities of civilians for this conflict is standard for the region.

[OddBeMe]

How many have died from Israeli bombs?

[Juxtapose]

It's about one or one and a half civilians per one terrorist killed.

[Juxtapose]

I think Hamas should face long-term consequences for this and Gaza should be annexed entirely.

[OddBeMe]

I was asking about children. But where do those numbers come from?

[Juxtapose]

Mosab Hassan Yousef

[OddBeMe]

One civilians per terrorist is from Yousef?

[Jackblue]

If Hamas fought in the open as soldiers like Ukraine does there wouldn't be a civilian death problem or at least it would be much rarer. How do you expect Israel to defend itself when Hamas comes in massacres Israelies by the hundreds and then hides in the homes and tunnels of Gaza so that any bombs Israel uses kill civilians as well?

[OddBeMe]

@Jackblue true, but you don’t beat them by going to their level. And Israel has gone to Hamas’ level.

[Jackblue]

Nope because Israel fights conventionally.

[OddBeMe]

@Jackblue nope
www.hrw.org/.../west-bank-israeli-forces-unlawful-killings-palestinians

[Jackblue]

What can I say soldiers make mistakes especially when any moment they might have a militant attack them from a window, the fact that they didn't find a lot more cases shows the restraint and training of Israel's soldiers. When Human Rights Watch starts criticizing Islamic anti-semitism and the Farm Attacks in South Africa, when I can type in "cologne attacks human rights watch" and see their condemnation, when they have called out the human rights abuses committed black gangs in the US, then I will listen to what they have to say. Until then they are just ignorant far left wing radicals.

[OddBeMe]

@Jackblue agreed! Watch the Kill Squad. US Iraq soldiers who were just board and started murdering civilians.

That’s what happens when you stupidly invade with an army of young cunts.

[Juxtapose]

@OddBeMe yes.

You should watch more of him, he really dispels a lot of myths that Hamas puts out.

[OddBeMe]

Again is anyone believing Hamas? Like I said recently that’d be like believing Al Quaeda.

[Juxtapose]

Yes actually, the United Nations is taking Hamas numbers. Literally the organization they're taking numbers from is directly run by Hamas.

[OddBeMe]

Link to that please. I would highly doubt that.

[Juxtapose]

"The United Nations (UN) has revised its estimates of civilian casualties in Gaza, slashing the figures by nearly 50%. This decision follows revelations that the initial data relied heavily on information provided by the Palestinian Ministry of Health, which is controlled by Hamas."

www.i24news.tv/.../artc-united-nations-cuts-gaza-civilian-casualty-estimates-by-half

[Juxtapose]

Duuuhhh. I've been telling you guys this shit over and over and even have posted questions and whatnot detailing this kind of thing but people don't fucking listen.

[OddBeMe]

Great! Good links. And good on the UN for admitting being dumb.

It’s not exactly relying on Hamas. But I concede the point. Gotta be tough to get accurate numbers when both sides have propaganda. Shows we need more UN management.

“In the UN report, only the total number of fatalities whose identities (such as name and date of birth) have been documented was published, leading to confusion.“

[Sevenpointfive]

the jews don't own any part of the middle east and yet it's the biggest benefactor of foreign aid. why would we spend more on missiles than humanitarian aid? i seriously wonder if i could catch a flight to israel, or would it be blocked?

to your question that i hope isn't a stymie into truth. if you support their war, then it will be the destruction of our planet

[Juxtapose]

The Jews need a place to live and no countries nearby after World War II would accept them.

[Sevenpointfive]

@Juxtapose i hear epstein's island is empty now

[Jackblue]

Jews are from the middle east buddy and so many have suffered under Muslim and Arab brutality.

[OddBeMe]

@Jackblue actually they were fine in Iraq. Until the Askenazis bombed them. It’s ironic how fascist like former Holocaust victims became, and had “Nazi” in their name.
en.wikipedia.org/.../Operation_Ezra_and_Nehemiah

[Jackblue]

Do some research on medieval persecution of Jews in the Islamic world and the aid Islamic countries gave Hitler.

[OddBeMe]

@Jackblue I have no doubt of that. Muslims did benefit from Hitler. But the European Jews consider themselves above Arab Jews and did horrible things for new country. So did the US. I just wish we could learn from history bbbeforehand.

Netanyahu is doing the EXACT playbook of Bush after 911. And it’s not seen as a good thing today.

[Jackblue]

At least legally they are equal in Israel, they are not in middle eastern countries. The fact of the matter is while there are good Muslims as a culture they are still acting like the same people who committed genocide against the Banu Qurayza, they have never accepted the legal equality of people of other faiths.

[Sevenpointfive]

@Jackblue what's going on? i offered you an island of little girls?

[OddBeMe]

@Jackblue are they? I hear talk of apartheid in Israel based on “how Jewish” your family is….
www.vox.com/.../israel-palestine-apartheid-meaning-history-debate

[Jackblue]

There is always private discrimination, however, Israel has never stopped anyone from converting to Islam, Islamic countries on the other hand rarely allows apostasy from Islam. In Iran Jewish families are not allowed to travel abroad together. They were only allowed to be judges in 2018. Turkey allows apostasy, but apostates are not allowed to enroll their children in religious schools of that faith. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam_by_country

[Jackblue]

Pakistan theoretically allows apostasy but insulting muhammad is a death sentence as Al Jazeera even admits www.aljazeera.com/.../all-you-need-to-know-about-pakistans-blasphemy-law

[OddBeMe]

@Jackblue so it’s ok if others do it.

[Jackblue]

Do what?

[OddBeMe]

@Jackblue you’re critiquing other bad actors to take focus from Israel.

[Jackblue]

I am explaining why Jews don't trust Muslims, muslims have done little to earn Jews' trust. After centuries of persecution and countless rocket attacks Israel doesn't believe they can negotiate peace with Hamas any more, the only thing left to do is to hunt all its fighters down. Those fighters are hiding in civilian areas. To go in there and capture them in every house would make the war unwinable for Israel. They have to bomb places and fire where they have reason to believe militants are hiding. Bombs and bullets are no respectors of civilian or militant. If you know of a way to make it so weapons only kill militants Israel and the US would love to hear about this brilliant invention of yours. Heck you will probably win a nobel prize.

[strateguy632]

1, false but israel wants the hundred hostages back who #palestinian abducted n still hold hostage for ransom.

tomorrow may 14 is the date israel declared independence and many countries recognized the rebirth of the jewish historical homeland, that they had ruled with 2 kingdoms called kings of juda and of israel.

not only does israel have historical claim, recognized by everyone except jew haters, but the competition never ever ruled... no palestinian government in history, only jews have historical ownership.

[OddBeMe]

Definitely agree on hostages. But if city swat had a complex surrounded with 50 hostages in it…. would they storm the place or lug grenades half hazardly?

[Jackblue]

Maybe it has something to do with centuries and centuries of Muslim and Arab oppression of Jews, or how they make no effort to change, discriminating against Jews whenever they can such as banning them from praying on the mount or refusing to recognize Israel. However, my people simply have had enough, there needs to be long term consequences for terrorist attacks from now on. I say Israel should annex Gaza and kick out any Hamas supporters there.

[Juxtapose]

@Claire2002 oh bullshit you act like whites are the only ones who colonize other civilizations when literally everybody else does it. And the Jews were given Israel after they were genocided because nobody would take them in.

[Jackblue]

@Claire2002 What whites have suffered from others is worse. White colonialism improved the countries under it, other forms of imperialism especially Islamic Imperialism made them worse.

[OddBeMe]

@Jackblue *looking at Indochina and Africa* Please tell us a previous colonial country that is doing well.

[Jackblue]

A lot better then how they were doing. Did they have electricity before colonialism, most of Africa didn't even have wheels.

[OddBeMe]

Some colonies became sovereign before electricity, and most after. can't point to one?

I’d give you the United States and Canada…but those are easy.

[Jackblue]

The US and Europe were already beginning to use electricity before the colonization of Africa, again most of Africa did not have the wheel. Neither did the Americas before colonialism nor did it have iron. Asia didn't have much in the way of industrial products including printing presses.

[OddBeMe]

Uh…what? In 1830s? Might want to research beforehand.

[Jackblue]

The light bulb was actually not the first practical use of electricity, the scramble for Africa mostly began in the 1880's

[OddBeMe]

The first Mediterranean hegemony was in 1500s sport. Spain vs Moors in North Africa, Francis Drake of England, hell Queen Victoria pursued Adrian colonies and she def didn’t have electricity.

I don’t even think electricity was “common” up until after WW1.

[Jackblue]

Still we had some forms of electricity including the arc lamp before that even if they weren't common, bottom line with Africa, they were still mostly independent until the late nineteenth century.

[OddBeMe]

Ok. But still, no previous colonial country is “better off” today.

[Jackblue]

Keep saying that, maybe it will make it true.

[msc545]

War is good for them, but the land of Gaza is even better. Israel is land hungry.

[OddBeMe]

Are they starving in Israel? Because they are in Gaza? wtf?

[msc545]

I don't understand your question. Is who starving in Israel?

[AlexEfron]

Nope. It wants geopolitical power at the cost of innocent lives. I would call it a war when both sides can defend and both sides can attack. It's only a one sided massacre in the guise of eliminating terrorists.

[Jackblue]

You hide in a house after having killed someone, with civilians in it and start firing at the police. The police fire back to defend themselves and they kill a civilian. Legally you are the killer in such cases.

[AlexEfron]

@Jackblue settlers claiming natives to be terrorists does not make them terrorists. Self defence is protecting oneself not obliterating masses. Lying, and inhumane treatment won't gain you any sympathy, it will only instil more hatred.

[Jackblue]

For centuries Muslims have been killing Jews, when they formed Israel Jews fought back, but Muslims have kept on attacking them again and again and again and again. That is what makes Hamas militants terrorists.

[AlexEfron]

@Jackblue no one is questioning why Israel retaliated against Hamas. Everyone is question why Israel is killing innocent Palestinians. They asked people to move to Rafah as a safezone and start bombing Rafah. It was never about Muslims against Jews. Palestinians maybe predominantly muslims but there are families with other religious beliefs too. Even people of Jewish faith are against the indiscriminate massacre. People who aren't blinded by communal hatred, see it as a genocide. People who are, claim it to be self defence and collateral damage.
Only a few nations are in support of Israel, and all of them benefit geopolitically. The rest of the world is against it.

[Berethor]

Israel was attacked by islamic scum, and now it's time for them to pay for that.

[normalice]

Netanyahu knows he goes to prison when the war ends. So, it will never end.

[gorydetails]

If Hamas released the hostages, Hamas surrendered, and they stopped attacking Israel would Israel stop?

[Jackblue]

Yes, if they surrender unconditionally. Its militants must all go to prison for the rest of their lives, then the war stops.

[Cheerfull009]

Israel want to remove Palestine from the map

[Anonymous]

Wipe out all terrorist.
Only way to win a war.

[Opinion Owner]

Trump did it to ISIS in about 30 seconds.