What do you think of this take on "Palestine"?

[Juxtapose]

"Palestinians insist that Jews stole land from them and that the land belongs to Palestine.

This is 100% not true by sleight of hand.

No Arab state, nation or anything else you'd ever call something resembling a state had ever existed between the river and the sea. So in a simple sense, no sovereignty claim exists based on historical factors. And Jews didn't steal individual Palestinian land. That was lost in a population exchange as a function of wars that Arabs started."

[Astarlessnightsky]

Its just wrong.

Ancestors of both "jewish people" and "arab people" have lived on the place we call now isreal and palistine since the bronze age.

Also if you apply this childish "we were here first" principle, you would have to eliminate or relocate 99% of the earths population.

[Juxtapose]

My point is there has never been a Palestine. The Jewish people did not steal any land.

[strateguy632]

to ast, actually arabs came north from arabia.
no arabs there until 500 b. c. late iron age! or later. n never governed by arabs then, but jew kings, two kingdoms juda n kings of israel too. around 1000 bc to hasmonean until romans in 50 bc.

[strateguy632]

basically no palestine government existed to govern any land. homes were under whatever colonial empire from far, greek rome mamluk ottoman etc. except local autonomy of jews.

people make an equation "the french govern france therefore the place france is governed by French" then lie that same in palestine the place palestine was called that due to palestine government that... never existed. only jew government as above.

the name was roman choice.

[strateguy632]

one step further when palestinian claims land, who did they buy it from? no ownership!
but "i own the brooklyn bridge! prove me wrong!"

[TonyMetal___86]

In the end, it's just a land, people should learn how to coexist with each other or give them a land and take some for yourself too!

It's a complicated story but killing each other is never the solution!

Over what? A land 😏

If they just knew that the whole lands will shift someday and reform and nothing will remain the same.

[strateguy632]

one side did that israel parliament includes jew with arab, not apartheid as propaganda lies. how many jews are in any of the 7 neighbor governments?

[TonyMetal___86]

@strateguy632 no one! Aside from zionism, i believe that the jews in any country have the right to vote for someone who represent them in the government...

I'm against all extremist from all religions, bu the way when a person is given power or a high position, it is to serve his people and does the best for them, not to use it for his personal benefits and own greed!

[strateguy632]

okay but nobody complains "jordan apartheid, syria apatheid palestine apartheid egypt apartheid" get it? maybe you will start an anti apartheid? oppose those countries that suppress non-muslims?

[TonyMetal___86]

@strateguy632 these countries consider themselves to be muslim countries, some of them had even named their countries starting with the "the islamic republic of..." some of them accepts people from other religions to coexist with them but aren't allowed to rule with them!

All the big religions in the world have countries which are ruled by their name, except the jews!

Even though the jews are the ones who started the main worldwide religion and now they are a minority and they want to take the whole palestinian land by force, why they have left in the 1st place, there are many chief rabbis around the world who says that the jews aren't allowed to even have a country cause it's forbidden by god, you must ask these rabbis to get the proper answer on why the jews doesn't have a country...

Israel is zionism jews...

Jewish is a religion while zionism is man made like the illuminati and free masons!

[KrakenAttackin]

Yes, and land ownership is determined by being able to hold/defend that land over time, per international law.

[Juxtapose]

@goaded @OddBeMe you guys are usually opposed to what Kraken says and one of you is German so I'm really curious what you guys think.

I am with you Kraken. That is the law of nature as well.

[OddBeMe]

Honestly the only history that matters here is the collapse of the Ottoman Empire after WW1 and British troops occupying the “Mandate” since. And it did help us secure a large portion of earth’s oil from Hitler.

But Arabs did live in the land they called Palestine and the Brits gave the Mandate to the Jewish Congress who have been arguing for it since WW1.

And sure, the Jews of Europe were fckin ravaged economically so giving them a country when no other country wanted poor Jews was a good idea. Too bad it was in a bad neighborhood.

Antisemitism is always wrong, be it Arab or whites. But geopolitically, Israel has acted with impunity in a hotbed area. Simply because Christian Zionists run the US govt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2T7DQzsUDE

[Berethor]

It's also jewish ancestral homeland, and arabs have many other countries that they taken.

[OddBeMe]

Sordid…I’d say a two state solution is the only decent thing regardless. And anyone against it can be labeled “colonialist”.

[strateguy632]

but palestinian in gaza oppose " 2 state" as the protesters at columbia University etc. "from river to sea" to erase israel. n hammas charter is a caliphate from river to sea. do you still support those palestinian in gaza?
n which goal? the secular palestinian group or the religious they don't agree on the goal so pick one?

[OddBeMe]

@strateguy632 Knowing current college students in my employ…I would doubt any subtlety in their chants. Theyre not smart enough.

But yeah, neither famously want it as Jerusalem is also they want. I did read about allowing Muslim holy sites to be Palestinian sovereign property, like embassies. But I’m not a goepolician.

[Juxtapose]

Palestine is not a country and never was. Gaza belongs to Israel rightfully instead of Hamas.

[OddBeMe]

You sound like Putin and Hitler. Funny how things from history keep popping up.

“Poland was never a country.”
“Ukraine was never a country.”

You nationalists are broken records.

[DrPepper12]

I can't even count the ways this is wrong.