Did you these facts about Hamas/"Palestine" courtesy of the son of a founder of Hamas?

[Juxtapose]

[bolverk]

Yes I knew all of that - but then I'm of an age where history had not been given the "Revisions" that it has recently, there is one more thing to add to the above information, that Israel offered the Palestinians their own territory and there's a list below;
Following is a list of the major peace offers, proposals, gestures and opportunities presented to the Arabs/Muslims by both the international community and the State of Israel going back as far as 1919, but all have been rejected by the Arabs/Muslims:

1919: Arabs of Palestine refused nominate representatives to the Paris Peace Conference.
1920: San Remo conference decisions, rejected.
1922: League of Nations decisions, rejected.
1937: Peel Commission partition proposal, rejected.

1938: Woodhead partition proposal, rejected
1947: UN General Assembly partition proposal (UNGAR 181), rejected.
1949: Israel's outstretched hand for peace (UNGAR 194), rejected.
1967: Israel's outstretched hand for peace (UNSCR 242), rejected.
1978: Begin/Sa’adat peace proposal, rejected (except for Egypt).

1994: Rabin/Hussein peace agreement, rejected by the rest of the Arab League (except for Egypt).
1995: Rabin's Contour-for-Peace, rejected.
2000: Barak/Clinton peace offer, rejected.

2001: Barak’s offer at Taba, rejected.
2005: Sharon's peace gesture, withdrawal from Gaza, rejected.
2008: Olmert/Bush peace offer, rejected.
2009 to present: Netanyahu's repeated invitations to peace talks, rejected.
2014: Kerry's Contour-for-Peace, rejected.

How often do the Arab/Muslims have to reject offers of coexistence before the world understands that the only way to end the Arab-Israeli conflict it for the rest of the world to tell the Arab world, for once and for all, that Israel is NOT going to “go away”, and they had better learn to accept it?

The common denominator of all the offers, proposals, gestures and opportunities noted above has been the requirement of the Muslim-Arabs to accept the RIGHT of the State of Israel to be, to exist as the sovereign nation-state of the Jewish people. This, clearly, they refuse to do since their commitment has been, all along, the demise of a sovereign nation-state of the Jewish people on ANY parcel of land defined by international law "the national home of the Jewish people".

[WhiteBoyChill]

What the hell makes you think that they are morally obligated to recognize a state that displaced 700,000 of them, continues to commit acts of violence against them against international law (Israeli settler movement in the West Bank) and has refused since its inception to offer them a right of return or any form of compensation?

I mean ffs, Israel hasn’t even been honoring the original agreement. If the Israelis are so concerned about “peace” than why the hell is the Israeli settler movement permitted? Why the hell aren’t they trying to stop the Israeli settler movement, and defuse tensions?

[WhiteBoyChill]

There’s been virtually no effort to amend for the wrongs. AKA the forced displacements. And people tend to f*cking not forget about things when they were perpetually f*cked over.

[SotiCoto]

I still don't really care about any of that, as I have always believed and will always believe that the entirety of the middle-east would be better off carpet-bombed into non-existence.

Their stupid religions. Their backwards cultures. Their endless streams of screaming, parasitic refugees. Their roving mohammed rape-gangs. Their shitty oil-barons. Their pointless phallic towers in the desert. Their vile investment companies stealing land in better countries. Their entire history of unending war for millennia, yet somehow never enough to wipe them all out.

The Middle-East is the Mordor of the real world. It is just a fucking shit-hole that only exists to perpetuate constant suffering and conflict. The world can NEVER be at peace as long as it continues to exist.

[wiltingrosepetal]

I hate when the people around me pick Palestine's side in this war and tell me they've done nothing wrong. Gen Z isn't educated, we don't care about history, we care about flashy news prints and the crisis of the day that we can share around with quippy slogans. This sensationalism of global events awards young people for ignorance, and makes me seem like the biggest asshole in the room.

The Israelis are angry and they're fighting. All people care about is their horrifying actions, without stopping to even ponder why a Jewish dominant population is a little protective over their land 💀 No, it's not right. But Palastine poked the bear, they're reaping what they sowed

[DJB72]

Most people want to just believe what the propaganda tells them. It's easier to scream buzzwords than it is to think about it.

Personally I'd love to see the outcome of "Queers for Palestine" going to Gaza...

[Dongie]

Ooooohhh... you dog.

[Juxtapose]

I am bisexual and they would fucking murder me. But yet people want me to support a group that would literally kill me just for my preferences that I was born with.

[Juxtapose]

Fuck Hamas.

[DJB72]

Basically...

[onedarkcloud]

I think that they would learn how to fly off the rooftops!

[blueonblack22]

@Danzigdawson. You interjected yourself on two of my opinion posts so I think I’ll return the favor and interject you here.

[Danzigdawson]

@blueonblack22 Yeah, I remember bringing you in conversations in which you didn't even participate. PRAISE HAMAS! OBEY THE SHAKIRA LAW!

[onedarkcloud]

@Danzigdawson I thought this was on an open forum and did not know this was for your bully pulpit. SORRY!

[blueonblack22]

@onedarkcloud the way the radical left has completely gotten behind Gaza Israel situation really shows just how self destructively insane they truly are.

They are willing to find common ground with people that would throw them off buildings JUST because these people hate western civilization.

For the record I know there are some moderate liberals out there who don’t stand for this bs. But seems like the radicals are getting louder, more numerous and more aggressive with each passing day.

I also think Danzig is smart enough to understand this insane hypocrisy. But he doesn’t want to admit it. He thinks if he’s loud and confrontational enough then that will just magically make conservatives ignore this crap. Not happening.

[Dongie]

Yep, it's so clear to see. The liberals say hey now that's a good idea. Now we have a bunch of pussies calling themselves ANTIFA. Hah, fascists calling themselves anti what they try to be. To force your will upon an entire group of people is what they are. RR labeled them in the 80s. It's plain to see why democrats support them. That's alright, there will be gallons of innocent blood knee deep. Waiting for the King.

[WhiteBoyChill]

The last statement is completely false. Jews didn’t fight British colonialism. They were direct beneficiaries of it.

And I’m still struggling to understand how the proposed creation of a state by international arbitrators isn’t a violation of national sovereignty.

Why did the land even need to be partitioned in the first place?

[Dongie]

God has His prophecy fulfilled.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@dongie That’s a very unethical way of looking at it. God’s will is not contingent upon human intervention

[Juxtapose]

The land has traded hands many times and the international community needed to pick a spot for the Jewish people to exist so they didn't get genocided again.

Now Hamas is trying to finish what the Nazis started.

[Dongie]

WhiteBoyChill/ In the book of Isaiah there's a verse of these old bones coming back together with tendons, sinew into flesh. It was a vision from God about He returning the Jews to THEIR land. Then turning it, a dessert into a garden. There is another where God says He will scatter them amongst the nations and shall be persecuted until He brings them back.

[Dongie]

But WBC don't you know God gives the privilege to do His work? And takes events meant for evil and turns out good there in.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@Dongie I hardly see anything “good” about the last 80 years of tension.

Again, people f^cked it all up. We’re not these masterminds that are designed to carry out God’s will better than he can himself.

If it was our job to do, we would’ve been given very specific instructions, like the story of Noah, like the story of the Amalek, like the story of Moses.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@Juxtapose What makes you so sure a genocide would’ve happened again? That was the first time (in thousands of years of Jewish history) that a scale of such proportion ever happened.

And how is it in any way fair that a sovereign people had their land divided without even offering consent, or receiving any kind of a reward or compensation in return?

I’m surprised you don’t see the clear violation of ethics here.

Would it be ok with you if the UN decided to flood the US with the Uyghur minority in Chinese concentration camps and they were all sent here and 700,000 Americans were forcibly driven from there homes without any form of compensation or right of return?

[Juxtapose]

Hamas. That land was originally Israel's but they shrunk their land mass by 75% to try and achieve peace with those savages.

[WhiteBoyChill]

That’s also completely false. You do realize Hamas only controls the Gaza strip. Right?

[Dongie]

Genesis 12:3

[WhiteBoyChill]

@Dongie That has no modern relevancy. That was God speaking to the ancient Israelites.

[WhiteBoyChill]

I mean ffs, what makes you think modern Israelites are in any way this moral and Godly people? Their actions sure as hell don’t show it.

[Dongie]

You shouldn't bet your life on it. He was telling all the world you curse Israel He curses you , you bless Israel He will bless you. And judging them for standing up for themselves. What would you do if a couple guys started beating on you? Just stand there?

[WhiteBoyChill]

@Dongie FFS, Israel hadn’t been a thing for 3,000 years. What part of that doesn’t make sense?

[WhiteBoyChill]

“you bless Israel He will bless you”.

Given the way the world has been trending since the 1940’s with the world become increasingly more modernist and less traditional. Explain to me how in any way we have been “blessed” by God because of this new state we’re supporting?

[Dongie]

3000? You need to read the book. At that time, King David had begun the lineage that led to the birth of the Mesiah. The Romans FELLED the last outbreak by a band of Jews after the destruction of the 2nd Temple in 70 AD. 135, the Roman's changed the name to Palestine. The Jews were scattered among the nations.

[Dongie]

YOU'RE supporting. God knows your heart. I can see you are against Israel. I'm done arguing. God Himself gave Israel to Israel's (Jacob) decendants. P E R I O D

[WhiteBoyChill]

@Dongie And where tf are Jacob’s descendants now? Lost in the dustbin of history

[WhiteBoyChill]

Also, I’m quite literate on the matter. The Kingdom of Judah was the last Jewish led state

[WhiteBoyChill]

@Dongie And once again you are willfully choosing to be ignorant. Explain to me how in any way, we have been “blessed by God” by this new stage. Its obvious to me you have no idea what the hell you’re talking about, or even what you’re supporting

[WhiteBoyChill]

@Dongie And ffs do you not have any recollection of what the Jews did to Jesus? How about the fact that they continue to deny his legitimacy as Son of God to this day? How about the fact that they betrayed him, mocked him, and spat upon him? How about the fact that they devised the whole concept of transgender ideology and Communism? How about the fact that they overwhelmingly advance left wing causes through control of social media?

How about the fact that they spit upon Christians touring Jerusalem? How about the fact that they legalized gay marriage? How about the fact that they have gay bathhouses and pride flags and celebrations everywhere? They are literally a nation condemned to hell that relishes in sin.

And yet you’re trying to gaslight me by somehow claiming that I’m the bad guy here?

What in God’s name makes you think these are “God’s chosen people”?

They are nothing like the 12 tribes of Israel. And @Hispanic-Cool-Guy will tell you that himself.

What part of your wildest imagination thinks this is a nation God has any business supporting?

[Dongie]

You are against Israel. That's cursing them. Why would you be blessed for that? You'll be cursed for that.

[Dongie]

Simply what the Bible says. This is a fact too, that Your hatred is all about every nation will come against Israel. It's called Armageddon to which is the event that Christ returns. Do you not know that thousands or 10s of thousands of Jews are Messianic Jews?

That means the know who Christ is, The Messiah.

[Dongie]

I've been studying End Time Prophecy since February 1984. Believe this, I know way more than you think.

They were scattered among the nations about 2 Millinnial ago. There's bound to be mixing of blood. German Jews, Polish Jews and so on. You think that discredit their lineage? Judah was inhabited by the tribes of Judah and Benjamin. The other 10 tribes were the lost tribes. Conquered by the Asyrians. Mentions the Sea people. Not sure who they were. There is theories they came to America. Cherokee nation has claims of members of the lost tribes.
This is for sure. We know Jews are not lost. There are decendants of Levi, the ones that become high priests, present in Israel. They have everything, including the red heifer, to clean the high priests in order to begin building the third temple. Then sacrifices will begin.

[Dongie]

Then the shit hits the fan.

[BadApple69]

Don’t bring your facts to try and disprove our fantasies!! What’s wrong with you!!

[elduderinosupreme]

Its a regional problem I don't wanna dig into. They wanna kill each other have fun. The idiots promoting hamas are stupid and need a history lesson on what hamas is and does.

[PreferNot2Say]

These people need to be eradicated from the planet and soon.

[strateguy632]

sounds right, and as an insider he knows.

i add a rock can kill so need to kill the thrower regardless of age.

[captain_voidwalker]

Gee you mean the religion that's all about treating women as property and men as expendable dosen't result in good things. Who'd have thunk it

[Dongie]

Islam is the name that orders fathers to kill their own daughters for certain acts

[jamesgoldman]

No but unsurprised

Palestine is older, I have a book published in the mid 1889's and that refers to a pre-biblical Palestine

[JacobJordan]

Palestine's first ever mention is around 500 bce israel/Jewish territory first mention is around 3500 bc... that is over 5k years ago and 3k years before Palestine was even mentioned in any text.

[SmolSlav]

Hamas ARE horrible, however Israel is considerably worse.

[thisAppIsGarbage]

We are at so dah kine. Can you try again in English you Hebrew bot?

[Juxtapose]

Learn to read bruh.

[thisAppIsGarbage]

Dud you these at a Hebrew so that we are?

[Juxtapose]

I can't even understand what you're saying xD

[thisAppIsGarbage]

No duh faqqot

[Juxtapose]

Learn to write ✍️

[thisAppIsGarbage]

Yes. That's what I told you. Faqqot

[Juxtapose]

"Dud you these at a Hebrew so that we are?"

Wow, such an intelligent mastery of the English language.. NOT!

[thisAppIsGarbage]

Jah mah ah mah ham bone

[Juxtapose]

Garbage in, garbage out.

[Juxtapose]

I don't have to listen to this troll garbage, get the fuck out of here.

[Twalli]

HAMAS deserves to wiped off the face of the earth. Having said that, Israel is not exactly conducting the war in the best way.

[Dongie]

How can they?

[Juxtapose]

@Dongie for this type of conflict they actually have record low civilian casualties.

"Israeli government spokesman Avi Hyman on Monday reinforced Netanyahu’s message, saying that the Israel Defense Forces had killed more than 14,000 terrorists and approximately 16,000 civilians since the outbreak of the war on Oct. 7.

“Israel is setting the new gold standard for urban warfare with what appears to be the lowest civilian-to-combatant casualty ratio in history,” stated Hyman.

Last week, the United Nations admitted it overcounted the number of Gazan children who have been confirmed killed in the war by a staggering 42%."

[Juxtapose]

www.jns.org/.../

[jimmy2]

Won't trust him