Is the western civilisation collapsing?

[Anonymous]

I moved to a western country last year
I always loved the west because of American movies and TV shows
After 1 year , I was very disappointed I wanted the 90s love and openness

I shared this with my “friends”
That I think the west is collapsing because
1- Political polarity is at its highest
2- Women and men are like enemies, each gender saying they don’t need the other
3- family values are destroyed , marriage is on the decline divorce is on the rise
4- the complete obsession of sex , sexuality , sexuality fantasies , non monogamy as If sex is the solution to everyone’s problem
5- Inflation and illegal immigration is out of control
6- The entire world is talking about the collapse of US dollar
7- Chaos in the US and UK. counties that wouldn’t have dared to disrespect America openly mocked the US president (Saudi Arabia )

But my friends got offended some said go back to your country “jokingly”
Some decided shared how bad things are in china or India

I think if you are not going up , you are going down. I love the west and it is very sad that there is no actual steps being made to fix this

[Anonymous]

I do find it weird how obsessed people from the east are about the west when most people from the west don't even think about the East. It's always "the west is corrupt" "the west is degenerate" "they're openly having sex WITH consent and not raping women non stop like we do" "They Believe in equality and freedom, how corrupt and degenerate of them"

"Western experiment is bad, it's corrupt and degenerate"

It's always the same talking points over and over. How degenerate and corrupt the west is and this is coming from lots of places that either rape their women constantly, fuck animals openly, cover their women all the way up like ghosts on Halloween, or stone women or throw them from rooftops, or follow a religion that was created by a pedophile who fucked 9 year olds and stole everything in his religious book from other religions at the time. How about a nation that is so overpopulated that majority of it's citizens are poor and starving in the streets and defecating openly in those same streets.



So which Eastern nation is it again that is this beacon of how society should be and does no wrong?

I might give you a pass if your example is Japan. You might have a decent argument. Anywhere else and it really is the pot calling the kettle black.

[Asker]

The US had 140 thousand rape cases last year

More than any other country in the world

[Asker]

worldpopulationreview.com/.../rape-statistics-by-country

[Asker]

All the points I wrote
And you choose to answer the sex point
Like it is the most important thing

[Opinion Owner]

So you didn't read any of my other points I see. Seems you are the one only focussing on sex.

[beefcakebradybatson]

We know those places are backwards, but the hypocritical West is worse in many ways with its historical and present treatment of First Nations folk, POC and women. (By the way, religious fanatics are infecting Africa with their BS.)

[DrPepper12]

I'll speak for USA America and yes it's collapsing. It has been collapsing since about the early 1970s. Things are going to get much worse before they get better if they get better at all. By just about every indicator life is worse now than it was in the past. The reason most Americans don't even realize that they're a little world is collapsing is because they don't travel. Their monolingual. Their egotistical for no f****** reason. Their dumb is a bag of hammers. They're obsessed with trivial and have no clue about knowledge, wisdom, ethics, morality, reflection, education, and what an examined life means.

[MLGbreezy]

Faster than a burning building and I’ve been ranting about it for a while now. We’ve basically live in a day and age where everything taken to the extreme and it’s absurd to me that it’s now just normalized or ignored. None of the clear social issue plaguing are society are bing address and it’s cause society to lose there collective minds so much so that it’s reached our government officials. Megan thee stallion twerking at your rally? Really? Yea I’ve checked out and have basically said ima do and say things that make me happy and I mean cancel me if you want ima nobody now it’ll probably make me famous.

[Levin]

This is a complicated subject and not one I can hope to do justice.

But of course, in spiritual terms, the paradigm in dying.

Shunyamurti refers to the lower death drive.

But I think this exists in countries, too. Western countries are basically suiciding themselves, offing themselves - unconsciously of course. The self loathing and shame is so great. We are taught to despise and debase our own culture. So we unconsciously suicide ourselves. For example, with as you say, completely insane levels of net migration. There are now many regions in the UK where you are minority white. I went for a mile walk in my town centre today and it was probably literally 80% non-white. Quite a remarkable thing taking place.

I remember what this country was like 20 years ago. And as they say, you don't appreciate what you had till it's gone. The level of decline is astonishing.

[Asker]

Immigration was never a problem
In the past the western culture was so powerful that every immigrant wants to part of it

Right now westerns are very individualistic and self dependent, family and parenthood is not a priority. self benefit is more important that what is good for the county or society. Being a patriot is something from the past

In other words , there is nothing for immigrants to be part from , so they default back to their own culture

[Levin]

This is true but you have to remember that pre 1997 (pre Labour party) net immigration in the UK was a stable 20-30k per year.

Now it is 700k per year. I make that 23 times higher. You can't integrate that number. Immigration is not a bad thing. But mass immigration is a terrible thing.

[Asker]

I agree with that

I think immigration was handled in the worst possible way not just in The uk
In all Europe countries

Europe made it very hard to come here legally and so easy to come illegally or if you are a refugee
These people had zero intention in integrating in the west anyway

But still , that doesn’t negate the other thing that is destroying the west

[Levin]

Sure, so do you mean, liberal values, or a kind of nihilistic Godlessness in the culture?

[Anonymous]

Well...

[RebelinSteel]

Nope that is mainly down to social media bollox, not collapsing and also you end up with bots and trolls pushing this type of thing on Twitter and other platforms.

[Asker]

What about the points I wrote?
Also the western population is declining rapidly
And it’s getting replaced by immigrants children raised by non western values

Europe will be unrecognisable in 20-30 years

[RebelinSteel]

lol. Have you seen the population differences. Again scare mongering, usually on social media it’s racists pushing hate. An example is the recent riots in England (not the UK) they were caused by fake news spread from Pakistan and the US, with further pushing from fuckwits in England. If the fake tweets and stories had not spread there would have been no riots. Instead fuckwits wrecked areas of towns that were already struggling.
Politically it goes up and down all the time, as soon as a right wing party gets in power they fuck up as they are crap at doing anything but spread scare stories and struggle with running countries.

There is very likely a global war within next 10 years or sooner, those same immigrants will find themselves conscripted throughout Europe.

[Asker]

But extremism is very new
Right there is extreme right and extreme left
And this is very dangerous
There is no plans to close the gap

We have seen what happened what happened after the 2 time Trump won / lost

Regardless of the results of this year’s election china will fuel violence in the us to destabilise it

[RebelinSteel]

Extremeism is not new. We had Marxists and communist riots in 1900’s, facist riots in 1930’s,, we then had mass riots every 10 years or so, miners, then there were the Radicals in 19th Century and the Peterloo massacres. There is a reason there was a Riot Act.
There are about 6 parties that sit around the centre, however social media, fake news push the extremes, there is a reason most sensible people know that politics is complete bollox.

[Asker]

I hope you are right

We will see what happens this November

[RebelinSteel]

Nothing, it’s bonfire night and bit of shopping

[exitseven]

I miss it too. iI am hopeful that things will turn around. I can remember when I was hopeful about the future.

[ProbablyClueless]

Most of the older folks I speak with seem to agree that the West is collapsing. And they say that regardless of their political leanings.

[Berethor]

Yea China, and maybe even India would likely surpass US for ther reasons you mentioned.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Think it's bad now, you better hope Trump isn't re-elected !!!

[Asker]

I disagree with that
Kamala is way worse
The two options are shit
And I can’t believe that these are the best 2 options America has , really?

Trump is a narcissist who can do business
Kamala is an absolute idiot , she was part of the weakest US administration in history
In the past 4 years , countries disrespected The US left and right

[Asker]

Don’t get me wrong
We can argue about who is worse
But They are both bad

and if america falls , the west falls

[beefcakebradybatson]

Well, Harris and Trump are the best candidates money can buy !!!

[MisterWack]

Nope.

[Ladsin2]

Seems closer to it.