Have the Democrats, and whoever owns the government and the media, gained so much control that they can commit enough fraud to win the 2024 election?

[Kelley1]

Democrats stole the 2020 Election using wide-scale voter fraud

Almost everyone, including democrats, that actually looked at the evidence, instead of believing the lying media, know there was massive voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election. Democrats will lie to their dying day claiming their was no fraud because they believe the results they want justifies the means. Obviously, they and the powers control the media but they also control the courts, because no court looked at the evidence of voter fraud and dismissed the cases based on the claim of "Lack of standing."

Already, the lying media are showing fake polls show Harris winning vs. Trump that the powers will use to justify stealing the 2024 presidential election.

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The USA is in a sad situation where it may not matter whether Trump or Harris is the next president. Most people, except for fools, hereinafter know as Democrats, realize what a horrible president Harris will be. Sadly, Trump may not be much better. He proved in 2016 that he is a liar who promised to eliminate the swamp. However, once in office, he worked with the Democrats to add to the swamp with his horrible appointments.

[ohsheeT]

The elite the secret societies they all own a piece of the government they all own a piece of us.

They all have an agenda whether they are Republicans are there Democrats when it comes time for reelection no matter who they are they're getting money from these secret society people and they're getting bribed if it's not one media newscasting place it's all of them it's not Democrat or Republican it's our government there every single one of them are getting money from these people to get something done for them and one way or the other whether you're Republican or Democrat there is cheating going on because they are all liars they are all cheaters

And the worst part about it all is that we are allowing it we are allowing them to take control of our lives and do what they want with our country to our people why they give trillions of dollars away to other nations and our people suffer with whatever votes they vote on whatever laws that they pass we are just as bad for allowing it to happen

[Kelley1]

Individually, we must allow it because we are not given a choice.

[ohsheeT]

I agree. Individually we can't do anything but as we the people we can do a lot

[blueonblack22]

I still have a hard time believing there was mass voter fraud in 2020. Now the rules were setup to heavily favor the democrats (early mail in voting, ballot harvesting, etc.). And they definitely morally cheated (mass media, censorship, big tech, etc). One prime example is the censoring of true information (e. g. the Hunter Biden laptop story).

But still I have a hard time believing 100s of thousands of votes were fraudulently cast for Joe Biden. There was was definitely voter fraud (there is in every election). Probably more in 2020 than any other election. But 100s of thousands of fraudulent votes?

But what I am more worried about is illegal immigrants voting. It’s this bullshit which proves all along the real reason democrats want illegal immigration.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/oregon-mistakenly-registered-nearly-1260-possible-noncitizens-vote-dmv-admits.amp

[WhiteSteve]

This is all part of it. Trump did this last time, grooming his supporters for an eventual claim of fraud. Mark my words, if Trump wins, you won’t hear a PEEP about alleged fraud anywhere, not because there was going to be and it was prevented, but because Trump won’t need the excuse.

This stuff is all clear as day, and we’re more prepared for it this time around.

[DJB72]

They can't afford to let Trump - or any Republican get into office for at least a decade or they'll be likely to release any/all records that show collusion between Democrats and foreign governments - like Ukraine - with a vested interest in keeping the Dems in power.

And an individual who was essentially an Independent prior to election getting into office instead of someone groomed for decades by the WEF etc is a liability.

[Dongie]

That's a very long list of "malarky". I watched the tally in Pennsylvania. 5:30 to 5:45, 15 minutes biden tallied up over a hundred thousand votes to Trump 0. Impossible.

[abc3643]

There was no massive voter fraud in 2020.
Do you know how I know that?
Because if there was, all that evidence would have been submitted by Trump's lawyers in court.
But, after 62 court cases, not one of those cases had any substantive evidence to conclude any "massive voter fraud" occurred.

Furthermore, there is more statistical evidence...
Do you know the term "down ballot"?
"Down ballot" means the other races in an election.
So, if there was "massive voter fraud" by the Democrats or whoever, then the GOP would have suffered "down ballot". But, they didn't. The GOP did in 2020 what they'd normally do in elections without "massive voter fraud". The only one that did suffer was Trump.

In other words, Trump lost because people who otherwise voted for Republicans "down ballot" but, for President, they didn't vote for Trump because they realized what a profound asshole he is.

[Kelley1]

There was massive fraud and you know it but you claim otherwise, the truth doesn't matter, Instead, all that matters is the results regardless of how they were obtained.

Since the democrats and the powers that rule own the courts. Backed by the media, the courts never looked at the evidence and dismissed the cases based on their claim of lack of standing.

[abc3643]

One of those cases is Trump v. Brookvar which was in the US District Court for the Middle District of Pennsylvania. (This is the appropriate court because Pennsylvania Secretary of the Commonwealth Kathy Boockvar and is responsible for PA elections. Harrisburg PA, the capital, is in the middle of the state and thus in the Middle District.)

The US District Court judge in this case was Matthew W. Brann (a Republican, by the way). In his opinion in this case, he summarizes what generally happened in all these cases from the Trump Campaign and confederates like red state Attorneys General...

pubintlaw.org/.../...smissal-opinion-pubintlaw.pdf

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[abc3643]

"I. INTRODUCTION
In this action, the Trump Campaign and the Individual Plaintiffs
(collectively, the “Plaintiffs”) seek to discard millions of votes legally cast by
Pennsylvanians from all corners – from Greene County to Pike County, and
everywhere in between. In other words, Plaintiffs ask this Court to disenfranchise
almost seven million voters.

>>>> This Court has been unable to find any case in which
a plaintiff has sought such a drastic remedy in the contest of an election, in terms
of the sheer volume of votes asked to be invalidated

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One might expect that when
seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with
compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption, such that this
Court would have no option but to regrettably grant the proposed injunctive relief
despite the impact it would have on such a large group of citizens.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That has not happened.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instead, this Court has been presented with strained
legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative
complaint and unsupported by evidence. In the United States of America, this
cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its
sixth most populated state. Our people, laws, and institutions demand more. At
bottom, Plaintiffs have failed to meet their burden to state a claim upon which
relief may be granted. Therefore, I grant Defendants’ motions and dismiss
Plaintiffs’ action

>>>>>> with prejudice.

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So, they presented no actual evidence of "massive voter fraud". Nothing.
And the judge dismissed this case "with prejudice" which is the legal way of saying "You are so full of shit and wasted so much of this court's time that you are not ever allowed to re-present this case. It is dismissed forever."

[abc3643]

The Trump people didn't present any evidence of "massive voter fraud" in court where it counts.
Why didn't they do that?
Because no such evidence exists.

[Kelley1]

You must be very annoyed at me because I reveal truths that you don't want revealed and wish they would remain hidden. Your so called conspiracy theories is a term invited by the CIA as a method to dispute the truth about government lies and crimes. We both know that when the powers within the government commit crimes such as JFK, RFK, 9/11, Jan 6, and Ukraine , and invent some official lie to hide the truth, that anyone who reveals the truth will be called a conspiracy theorists.

[abc3643]

I am not really annoyed with you as much as I worry about you.
I've been on this site for almost 10 years.
I see in you some excellent traits and potential that others your age do not possess.
So, ideally, that potential should be applied for good and to make the world a better place while you too enjoy a fulfilling life doing so.

But, it is apparent that you were raised in a way - either by your parents or environment or whatever - that you are headstrong in beliefs and ways of thinking that not only waste your potential, but that waste your life. You have been done a disservice and I wish to correct that in some way, but I am failing and that is my fault because I cannot dedicate enough time and resources to help you. The Socratic Method - the best way of teaching really - requires a series of questioning, but, because of the nature of this platform and my lack of time, I have not done that and thus failed you.

What has me more concerned is this: Not so much that you will not live up to your potential, but the path that you are on will lead you to unhappiness. Not only will your life be wasted, but you will suffer unnecessarily because you have not learned anything about real human nature. Put in dog training terms, you have been insufficiently socialized. I do not believe that you are autistic, but, because of this lack of adequate socialization, you will have problems with interpersonal relationships whether that be in romance or the workplace. This is why I am worried that your path will lead to unhappiness.

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[abc3643]

Do you know who Dikembe Mutombo was?
He just passed away from brain cancer at age 86.

Dikembe Mutombo was over 7-ft tall and was one of the greatest shot blockers in NBA history. He is in the National Basketball Hall of Fame. He was a native of Africa.

Dikembe used his money and notoriety for good helping establish a hospital in Africa and to promote other good causes. His humanitarian work was as famous as his basketball talents.

He lived a good life maximizing the use of this talents and fulfilling his potential to make the world a better place. He was loved and will be missed.

However, as a boy, Dikembe wanted to play soccer. He would not have been a good soccer player. His father noticed his athleticism and height, so his father pointed him to basketball. Dikembe worked hard, was discovered, and became the star he was.

This happened because someone say in Dikembe his potential.

What a waste it would have been if Dikembe stayed in soccer and went nowhere with it all because no one was there to show him. Or worse, what if he was told he should be an accountant or something else mundane that won't help the world. What a waste that would have been!

We are lucky his father did the right thing.

In your case, you could be a great person who could change the world. But you've been told you should be a housewife. My efforts with you are akin to as if I was Dikembe's father and Dikembe didn't listen and showed no interest in basketball. It would have wasted his life and all the good he did in the world never would have happened.

[abc3643]

* Dikembe was 56 not 86.

[Kelley1]

I am not another Hypatia, Joan of Arc, or Malala Yousafzai. I may be above average but I will never be able to do great things. As such, I would rather seek my own happiness, rather than foolishly attempt to change the world.

You believe in and trust the government; I don't. The only governments I would trust to do what is best for the people would be small governments such as tribal chiefs. Large government are usually evil and typically ruled by sociopaths that put their own interest above what is best for the people.

Whatever hope that the U. S. would do right was lost with the election of that evil Lincoln who murdered millions over taxes. It has been downhill since then with occasional leaders that did good.

[abc3643]

I am not asking you to change the world. I am asking you to... um... not sure if you know this... "reach self-actualization". That's at the apex of Maslow's Pyramind.

You are special. You should take advantage of that. Instead of being a Jedi, you're going to the Dark Side.

[Kelley1]

Seeing past the lies of powers that rule the U. S. and their media is not the dark side. If the U. S. was another country, just as we condemn China who although as bad may not be much worse and in some ways are not as evil, we would be condemning them 24/7 for how horrible they are.

There is still time for things to improve but otherwise the next 100 years for the U. S. and maybe the world may become much worse. As I see it. a big danger is that the U. S. will initiate a war that goes nuclear with Russia and perhaps that includes China.

Based on opinion expressed on GAG, the consensus is that Russia doesn't have a trained military with modern advanced weapons, and that their nuclear submarines and ICBM are not functional. Therefore, anytime we choose, we can destroy Russia at very little costs. However, I don't agree. If I am wrong and the consensus is correct, the U. S. will be fine. However, if I am right and consensus is wrong, the outcome can be horrible.

[abc3643]

Here's an old book that you might be interested in. If I remember correctly, I bought it at SFO airport in spring 1984, but it was published in 1982, so that that doesn't seem right and I probably bought it 1983.

This book is a little outdated due to weapons treaties in the 1980s and later, but the education about nuclear weapons and their effects is very very good for the lay person (and I speak as a person with a BS in Physics who understands the physics of these weapons).



You can see the first few pages, Table of Contents, and covers here:
archive.org/.../2up

Consider buying an old copy of this classic paperback. It's only a few bucks plus shipping.
www.abebooks.com/.../plp

www.amazon.com/.../0671450964#customerReviews

[Kelley1]

Thank you! I ordered a copy.

[abc3643]

PM me when you get the book or finish reading it. It's a quick read. You may have questions and I will be happy to help. I have a copy of the book SOMEWHERE in my house (although I do not know where - my wife has my stuff stored all over the place).

[SixFootSexy]

Democrats have been spending a buttload on propaganda to Gen Z, the young need manipulated/indoctrinated to believe "Orange Man Bad, Black Woman Good" narrative.

[exitseven]

This is why Trump keeps saying he needs such a big lead that the democrats cannot steal it. They have had almost 4 years to put the cheat machine in place and the Republicans have had 4 years to try and prevent it. I don't know how it will end up.

[Dongie]

You said it all. It seems force is the last hope for the dying America.

[Twalli]

Anyone who actually has a a degree showing they know what they're talking about says there was no evidence of widespread fraud. Enough to flip a state.
If you disagree with experts, it's not a debate, you're just wrong.

[normalice]

What has happened is republicans know their policies are unpopular but want them anyway and so are lying to themselves about why they lose.

[noohair]

The people are supposed to own the government. The media is propaganda. Fraud can and does exist.

[RedInnocent69]

No. The Government isn’t owned by anyone. The media is owned predominantly by the right, but there are exceptions. That’s kind of how companies in capital countries work.

[msc545]

There was no voter fraud - you just didn't like the result. You will like the next one even less.

[elaphe]

You have to have actual PROOF to assert election fraud.

[Kelley1]

Just look at all the videos showing massive fraud. Just look at how when Trump was clearly winning, the democrats stopped the counting and when it resumed there was huge spikes.

[elaphe]

Where are these videos?

[Kelley1]

Google

[elaphe]

I don't trust random sites on the internet.

[CubaPirate]

Sorry I've no interest in US politics

[Dongie]

I don't either, but I live here.