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I will paraphrase what I wrote in another question...
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In the case of Mahmoud Khalil , the reason his green card/permanent residency would be revoked is that he would have been convicted of violating US Code, specifically the statute 8 USC § 1182(a)(3)(B)(i)(VII). If so, then his permanent residency would be revoked and he would be deported.
UNITED STATES CODE
TITLE 8 - ALIENS AND NATIONALITY
CHAPTER 12—IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY (§§ 1101 – 1537)
SUBCHAPTER II—IMMIGRATION (§§ 1151 – 1382)
Part II—Admission Qualifications for Aliens; Travel Control of Citizens and Aliens (§§ 1181 – 1189)
§ 1182. Inadmissible aliens
It's a long statute. The relevant text is under Subsection (a) Paragraph (3) Subparagraph (B) Clause (i) Subclause (VII)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182
8 U. S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens
(a) Classes of aliens ineligible for visas or admission
Except as otherwise provided in this chapter, aliens who are inadmissible under the following paragraphs are ineligible to receive visas and ineligible to be admitted to the United States:
...
(3) Security and related grounds
...
(B) Terrorist activities
(i) In general
Any alien who—
...
(VII) endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization;
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Mahmoud Khalil's words and deeds may have violated this statute. I am not informed enough to make a judgment as to that. However, he needs due process to be convicted of this and then, upon conviction, he should lose his permanent residency.
So, as shown in this statute, the "freedom of speech" only goes so far.
If Mahmoud Khalil vocally supports HAMAS, a Federally identified terrorist organization, then he's violated this statute. For example, here is the State Department's list which includes HAMAS since October 1997.
https://www.state.gov/foreign-terrorist-organizations/
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So, as I wrote earlier, he needs due process to have his permanent residency revoked but, if he is guilty of what he is accused of - advocating for HAMAS - then, yes, it's appropriate. Supporting terrorist organizations or enemies is unacceptable in our society.
For Khalil's case, criticizing Israel is not the issue; it's any advocacy of his in support of HAMAS and/or other terrorist organizations.
Get that straight.
But, I again repeat, I don't know enough either way about what he is alleged to have done. If he were charged with violating 8 U. S. Code § 1182(a)(3)(B)(i)(VII) and I was on the jury for his trial, I won't vote to convict at this point in time. The Administration says he passed out information pamphlets supporting HAMAS. I'd need testimony of evidence of that to convict.
Khalil is getting due process, thankfully.
Federal judge hears challenge to Mahmoud Khalil's detention
Khalil's lawyers are asserting Khalil does not support HAMAS which, as I wrote in boldface earlier, is the crux of the issue; not criticizing Israel.
That said, where Israel is concerned, here is President Trump's "Presidential Action".
Additional Measures to Combat Anti-Semitism
The White House
January 29, 2025
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/additional-measures-to-combat-anti-semitism/
I agree with the tone of that in a sense. No one should be harassed because of who they are and anti-Semitism is that. Being against Israel or Jews is one thing but harassment of Jews - or anyone else - is unacceptable.
It's simple. He doesn't. Bill of Rights apply to all in USA jurisdiction.
The A&S Act 1798 is a fig leaf for patently unconstitutional behavior
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Mahmoud Khalil’s green card was revoked because of his documented support for Hamas, a U. S.-designated terrorist organization. The Department of Homeland Security confirmed that he ‘led activities aligned to Hamas,’ which is why he was detained and is being deported. x.com
U. S. immigration law allows the deportation of non-citizens who support terrorist groups, even if they don’t engage in direct violence. The law exists to protect national security. Khalil’s involvement in pro-Hamas events and the distribution of related materials were enough to warrant action.
Some may claim this violates free speech, but U. S. law differentiates between free speech and providing support to terrorist entities. In this case, the government determined his actions went beyond protected expression, which is why he is being deported.
If anyone wants to argue against this, they need to address why U. S. law should suddenly stop applying just because they personally like Khalil. Otherwise, this is just selective outrage.
- Eva ❤️
@SmokinAces2000 Guys like yourself only ask these kinds of politically volatile questions to be the Devils Advocate. Your only aim is to stir the current pot of shit that is simmering all around the ultra liberal college campuses.
Khalil likes to stir the shit pot too, as he obviously supports the Palestinian Terrorist group Hamas.
Why do you even bother?
As he “obviously” supports Hamas? How do you figure that
He supports calling out Israeli war crimes in their then-justified retaliation for the Oct.7,2023 Hamas attack, thus making him an enemy of Trump's, who backs Israel's vastly disproportionate response to the assault, thus (in Trump's tiny mind), Mr. Khalil has no right of free speech for disagreeing with him. Orwellian, eh?
he is an active supporter of Hamas a terrorist organization
What has he done to lead you to this conclusion
All they are doing is making claims. What actual proof do you have that he supports hamas other than the fact that he’s protesting to end genocide?
there is no genocide, it's war both sides suffer in war,
So is David duke klan wizard. Does he get the boot too? That's nuts. It's the most defenseless person that needs the Bill of Rights. It's the most grotesque of seeing speech that needs the Bill of Rights. If we begin to pick and choose then nobody has rights. Ask the Nisei. They'll tell you all about it...
There’s a clear disproportionate amount of deaths
“Civilian deaths”
who cares they support hamas
He is advocating for terrorists on a college campus. Basically engaging in anti American behavior. It is good he will be deported. America has more trouble makes already.
There is no proof that he has advocated for terrorists. Protesting against genocide is not being a terrorist so I don’t know why you are so quick to believe this shit
Yes or no: is there proof that Mahmoud Khalil advocated for terrorism or showed support for hamas
There aren’t and he wasn’t. Where did you get this info from?
Speech is a deportable crime? Without due process? That's a road I will never go down. Idgaf what ANYONE says. That's not cool.
@DrPepper12 It is a privilege not a right for him to be there. The government could deport him for spitting on the sidewalk. Another Visa holder was just deported for attending the funeral of a terrorist.
Not without due process.
You support Palestine and what was done against Israel, then bye bye. Go there.
Civilians didn’t do anything to Israel. Do you think that people shouldn’t be able to protest against innocent people being killed?
Repeat polling has Palestinians support of hamas around 97%. They like and support what they did, they aided hamas, they hid hamas and the hostages, and helped torment them. So if you support Palestine and hamas, actual terrorists and terrorist sympathizers, over victims of terrorists, you should be removed.
I don’t know where you got 97 percent from. The most recent poll stated that around 40 percent supported hamas and yeah obviously hamas started it but you can only claim self defense for so long. Israel has been the aggressor in much of the war.
Their own polling.
They've non stop attacked Israel and still have hostages that are being raped, killed and mutilated. They are still doing self defense. This shit would have been long over if hamas or Palestinians stopped attacking them and released the hostages. They haven't. You don't get to claim to be a victim when you started it, continued it, and have innocents as hostages.
I looked it up and couldn’t find any information about polling in Palestine claiming that 97 percent of them support hamas. And bombing civilians still isn’t the answer. Israel could do targeted operations and rescue missions but instead decide to drop bombs killing civilians and when people speak out against it they are called antisemitic, a terrorist, etc.
That's on you then.
When those civilians fight too, hide hostages and hide terrorists amongst them, they knowingly become targets and claim victim hood to bleeding hearts. Plus how tf are they going to search buildings, houses and tunnels surrounded by thousands of terrorists and terrorist sympathizers? Don't be retarded. No army on earth does that without air strikes and artillery first.
The federal gov decided to revoke his card. That’s why he deserves to lose it
That doesn’t mean he deserves to lose it, it means that the current administration wants to deport him for no good reason.
Was I supposed to be moved by a video of a guy that is literally lying to people knowing that many of them will eat the shit up without a second thought?
You asked for an explanation. And got one
Whether you are moved by logic, that’s up to you
@BarryLiverstone Excellent answer!
I have to say, the more I read from the right wing the more I am convinced that America is lost. This moral and social decay, to the point where you can come here and argument for these things in "good faith", has gotten so bad that I can't see the nation simply recovering from it. This is going to end badly for literally everyone involved.
May I ask what was right wing here?
The asker wanted to know why the government took action so I helped educate the asker
I wouldn’t say that freedom of speech is moral decay.
Absolutely not. Both Democrats and republicans defend the constitution and freedom of speech. This is a freedom the USA has that other countries don’t. So as I said, freedom of speech is moral and it’s ethical
I refer you back to the video you yourself linked. What he is literally saying is that he is against Mahmoud Khalils freedom of speech. Even if he wants to use the "Technically" card, that is still the government retaliating against Mahmound Khalil on the bases of his speech alone.
Nope. The Secretary of State mentions a student was invited to study as a visitor and that he broke the law. Had he come to study and not broken any laws then obviously he wouldn’t be detained. Lots of people exercised their freedom of speech and they were not detained, right?
What laws did he break?
18 USC 2339B
@BarryLiverstone
If the student had not spoken out then would he have had his green card revoked by the government and deported?
Correct, as other students have spoken and not been arrested
@BarryLiverstone there is no evidence that he provided material supporting Hamas. This is a fabricated story to demonize him and people like you are eating it up without a second thought.
But you asked what laws he broke and I replied with the exact law
Again, other students chose to protest and exercise their freedom of speech. He was the only person arrested because he broke the law. He is of course innocent until proven guilty and hasn’t yet been deported.
No I don’t agree. It’s beyond activism.
If he for example paid money to create material that supports a terrorist organization and then passed out that material to incite violence in the USA that’s beyond just freedom of speech.
Would you agree that if a visiter produced and distributed flyers that support terrorism that they are breaking the law?
@BarryLiverstone he didn’t break that law that’s the whole point. What’s hard to understand
The law on “deportable aliens” is 8 U. S. C. § 1227, part of the Immigration and Nationality Act. Section (a)(4)(C), on “Foreign policy,” states that “An alien whose presence or activities in the United States the Secretary of State has reasonable ground to believe would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States is deportable.”
It’s not hard to understand at all. Did you or I get arrested? No. Because we didn’t break the law.
Why was he arrested? He broke the law
You keep saying that he broke the law but there's no evidence that he distributed pro hamas propaganda. The law you just sent now is at the discretion of the administration which is know to be pro isreal and anti Palestine and they are spreading lies about this guy to gain support for doing these things to him. My initial question wasn’t why are they doing this because I already know why, my question was why did Khalil “deserve” this treatment.
Dont care if its illegal or not. He is being deported for something that would be covered under free speech if he was a US citizen. From a purely ideological point of view Marco Rubio, A right wing politician whom you linked a video of, violated that mans freedom of speech on the grounds that in his opinion he had a technical right in doing so because he believe the law is on his side.
The moral and social decay in the Republican party has gotten to the point where they are selectively choosing who has and does not have freedom of speech and they are using the excuse of breaking the law as the excuse to withdraw peoples rights.
The federal gov decided to revoke his card. That’s why he deserves to lose it
You don’t care if it was illegal, thank you for admitting that
@BarryLiverstone that’s not a reason he deserves to lose it. I don’t understand how people are bending over backwards trying to justify a president trying to deport someone because of their perfectly valid and legal views over technicalities.
Ok. Then please let me know what is a situation that someone deserves to lose their green card?
Yes , but I care about our freedoms and laws here in the USA. You said you don’t care so we can’t agree sir. But I still support your rights to disagree and speak it out,
You also apparently support the governments right to retaliate against people based on their speech so no, you do not support free speech or my right to speak out. In fact I dont even think you understand how this is supposed to work, maybe "freedom of speech" is just a slogan in your mind.
Yes I support freedom of speech. I haven’t reported any of this conversion on gag. You may be right and I may be wrong. Would you admit that you also may be wrong? Or do you just not care
@BarryLiverstone someone should lose their green card if they “actually” committed a serious crime not because a president feels like it
Which crime? Could you give an example of a crime that causes a green card to be revoked please
And is Harakat Al-Muqawama Al-Islamiya a terrorist group?
@Murder, Rape, sex crimes against children, armed robbery, etc. and yes hamas is a terror group but like I said there is no evidence that Khalil supports hamas.
@BarryLiverstone
I concede that I might be wrong but I hope you do realize that rights do not matter when the government thinks what you are doing is legal. They are explicitly there to protect you if and when the government tries to argue that what you are doing is "illegal".
Since we are here arguing about if someone has had their freedom of speech violated AKA their rights then it goes without saying that one side is claiming that what they did is illegal. Otherwise we would literally not be having this conversation.
Thank you both for discussing in good faith. Only time will tell what’s going on in his case. Obv if all of a sudden thousands of students from Columbia start to be deported it’s a freedom of speech issue and that’s alarming. At this point it’s just one person so my guess is it will work itself out one way or another.
Peace and God bless
He’s an ignorant, racist piece of shit who deserves all he gets.
What has he done to lead you to this conclusion
He deserves due process and the bill of Rights.
@DrPepper12
The bastard should be shot.
Maybe you should be shot for being a brainwashed idiot
@SmokinAces2000
If anyone is an idiot it’s you. You’re just as bad as he is.
Yet you can’t formulate a reason why he’s “bad”
@SmokinAces2000
He’s an anti Israel, terrorist supporting piece of manure and you’re no different.
No evidence….
@SmokinAces2000
Grow up!
You talk out your backside.
Says the guy that is making baseless claims and won’t back them up
@SmokinAces2000
Ship the bastard to Gaza with a one way ticket and you should go along with him.
Because he is a cultural virus.
In what way
Do your homework. Protesting against genocide is not anti jew, anti American or any of the other bullshit you’re being fed
What exactly did I say that was nonsense. Is this just what you say when you know what you’re supporting isn’t justified?
The irony is almost laughable
No. He's a green card resident. He is entitled to due process.
@DrPepper12 Obtained it fraudulently.
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