If election integrity cannot be enforceably assured, can we ever really be assured of the outcome?

[DexWest]

[Dargil]

It will always be Democrats attempting to commit election fraud. If they do it again, Republicans will be watching more closely and will publicize it in alternative media. And if that happens that will be the end of the United States because they will be an armed uprising. Since 2020, a lot of algorithms and statistical analyses have been created along with observer teams to identify election fraud. They will certainly be used. Democrats are exploiting this country expecting us normals to be polite respectful and law-abiding. If they do it again, Republicans will begin to act extra-legally. Buy guns and ammo.

[msc545]

There has never been a single case of election fraud in this country by Democrats or anyone else that had the ability to influence the outcome of the election.

[Dargil]

@msc545 But anyone with a brain knows there was election fraud. Do you have a brain?

[msc545]

There was no fraud.

[Dargil]

@msc545 the statistical evidence is compelling that there was fraud period you just don't want to look at it.

[msc545]

Why don't you link to the statistical evidence, and I will take a look at it? Among other things, I used to teach statistics.

[Dargil]

@msc545 you're a big boy. I'm not going to spoon feed you if you want to find it it is available to you on the internet. You can investigate it on your own and find out what I'm saying is true. Or you can remain ignorant. That's your choice to make. You can remain trapped in your narrative. And I really don't care.

[msc545]

Well, actually I do know what the statistics are associated with elections. With small elections, it's not that easy to modify them in some fashion if you want to, but it's not that hard either. As elections grow in size, your ability to modify them is restricted by how many votes you can actually change without getting caught. I can show you mathematically exactly how to calculate the number if you like.

[msc545]

Just give me the number of votes in a given election and ask me how many would need to be changed in order to change the outcome of the election. I will calculate that and tell you if you wish. Or, as you suggested to me, you can simply remain ignorant, and if you wish to do that, I really don't care either.

[Dargil]

@msc545 this is the usual Democrat broken record. I've heard all of this nonsense before. So I'll simply say if you cannot find the evidence that doesn't make it not true. And you have a nice day.

[msc545]

So you have no evidence whatsoever, correct? Just your own opinion and when I asked you to provide actual evidence you declined because you have nothing to provide. Just more of your bullshit and lies. Typical Republican.

[NaultD]

That's why it's on the states duty. It's as supposed to be as random as possible between each voting districts. You Crack one and you need to Crack another 1000 to even get one electoral vote. All the while not getting caught.

Having a set "nationalized integrity" whatever that means puts us in danger. It's a lot like jury duty. It's these people who have to live with the consequences of a fuck up so have them create the standard.

[AviatorTom]

One of the weaknesses of democracy is that voting is a crap shoot, rarely an intelligent well thought out choice of the electorate.

But it's the best system humanity has come up with... Until someone finds a better system of governance.

[NathanDavis]

the loser side will be sore either way...

and the ones who won... won't care anyway

[msc545]

You can't always get what you want. 100% of the time. At least in voting. You know that the majority of people want things a certain way and that's about as Fair as it can get. Assuming that the election was conducted fairly. In my mind Fair is that every single eligible adult gets to vote and does so without harassment.

[NathanDavis]

@msc545 that's just the nature of competitiveness

you know... politics used to be an exercise of "democracy" in which you were voting for your own good and whoever offered you good things

nowadays, it is a competition, a popularity contest, and it only aims to bring detriment to the rival side "vote for us, and we will hit our rivals where it hurts them the most"

that's politics today... competition

and just like it is in sports, 99% of the time... when the refeeres rule in your favor, even if wrongly favored, the winner side takes the advantage, even if they know it was wrong... they just don't care as long as they win

and the loser side, will be sore... no matter what

[Jersey2]

We need Voter ID no matter what anyone says. Voting and the results should be airtight.

[CrystalPeak]

At least in the Middle East, the people with purple thumbs can’t vote twice.😄

[Jersey2]

@CrystalPeak very true :D

[msc545]

Simple statistics will solve that problem for you and probability theory will solve that problem for you.

[msc545]

Also, history will solve that problem for you. There has never been election fraud in this country to the extent that it actually affected the outcome of the election. 250 years of history speaks for itself.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Electoral fraud has been proven EXCEEDINGLY RARE !!!

[Hagar88]

We are told Electoral fraud has been proven EXCEEDINGLY RARE

[msc545]

@Hagar88 yeah, you've been told that, and as a matter of fact, it's true mathematically as well as socially.

[Kaneki05]

We can't and that's the problem

[exitseven]

the short answer is that we cannot know for sure.

[msc545]

You also cannot know for sure that the sun will come up tomorrow, but it probably will.

[Pterodon]

Nope

[msc545]

Go ahead and keep ignoring history and keep ignoring mathematics in favor of your racism.

[Pterodon]

I’m not racist. I just don’t like criminals like you do

[msc545]

Which criminals are you referring to?

[Pterodon]

ALL that entered illegally

[msc545]

You do realize that's not even a misdemeanor, right? That's a fucking infraction. About the same as a parking ticket. You also should know that illegal aliens statistically commit far fewer crimes than citizens do. Once again, this is all about your racism and your attempts to satisfy the notion that anybody with a white skin is somehow a bad person. You should try to get over this.

[msc545]

You don't want anyone who's not white to vote because you are afraid that they're not going to vote for your policies that discriminate against non-white people. Too damn bad. We believe in equality in this country and if you don't you probably should go somewhere where they don't.