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The people of Israel don't want the war it's mostly Benjamin Netanyahu that wants the war continue because once it's over he's probably going to jail.
Even Trump had a phone call where he said "you're crazy, everyone hates, you would be in jail if it wasn't for me" sure Netanyahu lied to Trump to get him to attack Iran which was a stupid idea, but that's a failure of his administration who are yes men and never tell trump no don't do that it's a stupid idea.
His administration is mostly dei hires who were hired because they are white and not because they have the skills to do the job effectively.
Whose administrations have the DEI? Trumps or Bibbi’s?
Thats a good question. They both seem equally dumb.
But to be fair you would probably go to prisons for speaking against Bibbi. So it's hard to tell israel. Maybe they have guys who know what they are doing in it, but have to follow orders.
The Trump administration just doesn't have any balls and they are too chicken shit to push back on him.
George Bush, Obama, their secretary of defense all told them to not bomb Iran because it will fuck us up.
Pete hegseth said "we have went over protocol. Meaning he just said yes to everything Trump said with no push back.
Pete is a former talk show host and that is all you need to know about his administration.
Doctor OZ and most of his admin are just people Trump likes to watch on the TV. He just wants a group that can keep your attention not because they are qualified for the job.
Iran. Between Iran and Israel Israel has attacked America more than once. Premtively attacked every single country around them and committed a genocide in Gaza and Lebanon. Iran has done nothing.
Agree
israel has an atomic army and refuses to become a member in UN related Agencies and no one blames them for their fear!
And its when israel has been always! In war during their like 70 years old life
Then at the same time theyre putting Iran under ultimate pressure for the atomic weapons it never has!
Actually, Iran attacked the US 180 times from 2023 to 2024, not including all the other years. This is routine. No less than 1,000 Americans have died over the past 47 years. www.fdd.org/.../ this is routine for them. Now they suffer the consequences.
@FrodoSkywalker007 man, have you, yourself, taken a look on the link you sent? Aside from not being a great source there are many questions.
I, respectfully ask one by one if you don't mind :)
Assuming all the data is true:
1. Why the writer counts the killings in Beirut and some other places as Iranian killings?
@ThinkerShell of course. Iran lacks the military ability to fight the US and Israel, and uses their proxies. By your standard, Brigade 2506 (Bay of Pigs) was not the US?
Feel free to give your reply in my answer here, so we have a unfied area, as opposed to communicating in different threads
Iran is very dangerous country. Their government is radical Muslims and are terrorists and developing nuclear weapons. They are threat to Middle East peace and world peace.
Read this:
Israel is a very dangerous country. Their government is radical Jewish and are terrorists and "already have the 3rd biggest nuclear weapons bazaar" without letting UN investigators enter. They are threat to middle east peace and world peace.
I changed some words in your comment to reflect "another" story which is true also.
If you can admit that "too" I won't discuss anything about Iran with you since I'll know you don't like stereotypes
what you say?
@pretendingtobesweet ignore him. Israel is not a NPT signer, and has been under endless assault for decades. Most Arab nations have made peace with them, even though they fought to destroy Israel decades ago. Iran will eventually get there. Most Iranians hate the regime, and change is around the corner. After the regime is gone, we will see peace. We just need Trump to realize this.
If you see two dofs having a brawl you don't root for one, you recognise both for the dogs they are.
Who is the second dog in your text?
and I named 3 countries...
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Iran is justified. It's self defense for them
Israel is the barbarian of the Middle East. Whereas the US is the evil gun seller of the Middle East.
Yes because decades of attacking the US (not even mentioning Israel) is "self defense" just from 2023 to 2024 they attacked the US 180 times www.fdd.org/.../ and they routinely threatened shipping over the decades (ignoring the houthis) www.history.com/.../7-historical-fights-over-strait-of-hormuz glad to know you are still a Qatari troll
@FrodoSkywalker007 haha maaan... Everywhere below my question I go you're there :D thanks for exp and stuff but what I care is a clean talk
Would you?
Feel free to dm me, or answer under my main post here.
@FrodoSkywalker007 LOL, get real, kiddo and get your head out the zionist ass. The US and Israel have broken every agreement they made in the region. They are not to be trusted and Iran has proven that.
*2015
@FrodoSkywalker007 Frodo is attracted to men sexually. That’s the bottom line
@blackeagle007 there you go precious, I gave you some of that attention you desired ♥ 😘 🤮 😂
@FrodoSkywalker007 so now you’re stalking me on here. You’re a total creep and too fat to be on gag douche
lol ur a nerd boy with the Star Wars name
The public justification Trump gave that Iran must not have nuclear weapons doesn't seem like a well-founded reason for war to me. It feels more like an arbitrary attack.
I think the same
They attacked Iran in the middle of negotiations 3 times!
What's the use of diplomacy then?
Exactly. The explanations are ridiculous. "Iran has been threatening the US for 40 years, and if they get nuclear weapons they'll attack us." 🤣 North Korea used to threaten the US all the time too. If you're going to attack every country that barks at you, then why didn't they attack North Korea.
Seriously, they could've at least come up with a more convincing justification for the war. If they'd said it was about Iran selling its oil in yuan instead of US dollars, or about oil interests, or even Israel, it would've sounded more believable. A five-year-old wouldn't believe the explanation they gave.
Agree
Israel has the 3rd biggest nuclear weapons reserves
And is at war with almost all its neighbours
And have committed war crimes multiple times
And refuses to let UN investigators enter their sites, neither is a member of the UN related agencies
And has a radical gov
And non of them is important for the US
Their stereotypes are huge
Oh yes, the US just wants to murder innocents. It's keeping its nukes for the 300th anniversary when it annihilated the world 😂 www.fdd.org/.../ you guys are funny. Israel never signed the NPT, whereas Iran did (and has threatened leave). Israel has also fought for its life for decades. Was it not the Arabs that started then1948 war? Was it not Arabs that committed the Hebron massacre? Was it not the states goal of various Muslim states to remove Israel? Is it not the stated goal of Hamas from their 1988 charter? Israel has certainly done questionable things, but let's not pretend the neighbors are innocent.
@FrodoSkywalker007 I don't think Iran having nuclear weapons would be a good thing. But as someone living in Türkiye, I think it's even worse for a state that repeatedly disregards international law, occupies territory, and is accused of committing genocide to already possess them.
Also, whenever I talk to people who share your view, the discussion almost never stays focused on what's happening today. Instead, it always turns into a complicated history lesson. I've even seen people go all the way back to King Solomon or argue that God gave those lands to Israel.
To be honest, I'm not that familiar with the detailed history of a country that isn't even my own.
What I do see is the current situation. From my perspective, the United States has damaged its own reputation more than ever by giving what appears to be unconditional support to a state widely accused of committing genocide.
@capriVib as I implied in my message, yes, Israel has a checkered past. The genocide claim seems abit ridiculous to me. Though I think we can both acknowledge the UN is an incapable and corrupt organization. It placed Sudan on the Human Rights Council. It's why I largely ignore what it claims. If Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, its one of the most inept attempts in history. The population of Gaza has increased dramatically. That's not what normally happens in a genocide.
We can speak about the validity of the campaign. Though I feel most ignore the history of the region. Gaza was controlled by Egypt until 1967. It was an radicalized region, that even caused the Black September in Jordan.
What I will say is that Israel is badly losing the propaganda war. This might be due to the massive influence of anti zionist forces in the west. Qatar for example funded no less than $100 billion into the US, mostly in education. Is that not suspect?
If we want to speak about international law, it's ironic to mention Israel, and not the other states in the region? Does Iran not have defacto control over Lebanon, when its government is attempting to sign an agreement with Israel? Do the Houthis not disrupt waterways? Did Hamas not state within its own charter that the goal of organization was the extermination of the jews? Let's not pretend Israel is the only suspect party in the region. The positive is the movement of the Arab states into the Israel fold, and normalization of relations, which Iran hates. Let's also not forget that Iran largely targeted those states because they couldn't effectively fight the US and Israel. Let's also not forget that Iran is publicly breaking international law by attempting to assert authority over the strait of hormuz.
@capriVib let us remember that Iran routinely attacked oil tankers from 2019 to 2024. Also, they threatened shipping in 2011 and 2012 due to nuclear talks. They also launched the "tanker war" in the 1980s, which forced the US to intervene and launch Operation Praying Mantis. This is not new. It's been routine.
@FrodoSkywalker007
I wasn't planning to reply, but I didn't want to leave such a detailed comment unanswered.
I think we're looking at this from two different angles. My point isn't that Israel is the only country that should be criticized. It's that almost everyone believes they have a good reason for what they do.
It reminds me of serial killers. When they're asked why they did it, many of them genuinely believe they were justified. The same goes for states. Russia believed it had legitimate reasons for invading Ukraine. Almost every country explains its actions in terms of security, history, or self-defense.
That's why I think this is where the idea of moral relativism comes in. If every person or every state can simply say, "From my perspective, I was right," then there's no objective standard left to judge anyone. Everyone becomes the hero of their own story.
I agree that Israel isn't the only actor that deserves scrutiny. Iran, Hamas, the Houthis, and others should also be judged. My point is simply that saying "they had their reasons" isn't enough. Every side has reasons. The real question is whether those reasons actually justify their actions under international law and basic humanitarian principles.
Anyway, thanks for taking the time to explain your perspective. Even if we disagree, I appreciate hearing a viewpoint that's different from the one I'm used to.
@capriVib okay, fair enough.
However, I'd like to correct you. Israel suffers sig significant more criticism than Iran, Hamas, etc.
In the USA (and the western world in general), there is heavy antisemitism, and antizionism which often lacks a counterpoint. Both political sides scream about Israel controlling western policies. They claim jews dominate through lobbying, There is heavy criticism.
We do not see this for the other side. Instead of protests against Hamas, we have organizations like "Queera for Palestine" and a heavy pro islamist movement that controls politics (such as mamdani).
The sick part? The Israel lobby (AIPAC) is ranked as the 191st largest lobby, while at the same time nations like Qatar are ranked as the largest investors of the US (especially education), where reform the system and control curriculum.
This is what I mean Israel has badly lost the propaganda war.
@capriVib to prove my point.
Lobbying it public record
www.opensecrets.org/.../summary?id=D000046963
How does this compare to Qatar? Many Americans complain about Israel lobbying, regardless of political views.
Yet, almost none even know about Qatar?
www.youtube.com/.../tVrl5rgGphg
@capriVib my point is.
Muslims nations, islamists, antizionists etc have won (or are at least winning) the propaganda war in the western world.
We do not proisrael movements on college campuses, but we do see propalestine movements.
Openly being zionist is political suicide, yet many politicians will give credit or support to islamist factions (or try to downplay their negative roles). This is largely seen in the GOP vs DNC dynamics.
Many western nations accept Muslim migrants into their country, and have covered for them. In the UK, it's came our the at least 250,000 Britidh white women were assaulted by largely Pakistani Muslim grooming gangs (if you've seen the Joe Rogan interview, those estimates are conservative). It was covered up by the government.
There is no western equivalent for the other side. No one covers up for Israel, the UN openly acknowledges it (eve if claims of genocide are far fetched, while we ignore the Christian genocide in Sudan).
You have won the propaganda war.
There is no denying that.
Who cares?
All three participants mentioned aren't part of my own interests.
''Justified"? Don't make me laugh (again) - 'we' (people) are here to secure food, shelter and sex. There's nothing to justify about it beyond these basic needs.
I really hate it when this app changes the title or question words
It did it again and that "justified" came to life!
Hm :) - what other word did you type, then?
The US. Iran had launched attack after attack on the US over the last 50 years and was on the brink of getting a nuclear weapon. It was time to deal with them instead of kicking the can down the road and hoping for the best.
I can give you many instances of US attacked Iran
Can you please do the same about what you wrote up there?
I start with this one:
https://www.bbc.com/audio/play/w3cswsnc
@exitseven just show this www.fdd.org/.../
@exitseven also, it's sad he needs to use an unfortunate accident, during an Era Iran launched the tanker war, and was blowing up oil tankers 😂 the USA actually paid a settlement to the victims in 1996.
Also, what about Ukraine Flight 752? Iran shot it down. Iran can make mistakes in its own country, but the US can't abroad?
It's silly.
The US/Israel side obviously. There is a lot g list of reasons. Iran has attacked them 100s of times. It destabilize the region. Threatens their end. Etc
Honestly, Iran deserves the ass whooping its receiving, even my friend from Tehran agrees. Hopefully Trump stops with the talks, and recognizes regime change is the only option.
Do you support the death of America or Death or Israel, which is often spoken within Iranian parliament?
@ThinkerShell feel free to answer here.
@ThinkerShell to make it a more unified reply, as opposed to different threads. I'll ask here again. To answer your question, is the US therefore not responsible for the actions of Brigade 2506, or the Contras, or the Mujahideen? If by your standard, Iran is not responsible foe the actions of groups its funds, organizes, leads.. etc?
I prefer this being a chat, rather than being a commentary
What you think?
Obviously.
So where we can do it better?
The US is held responsible (rightfully) for actions it carries either aggressively or clandestine. We acknowledge this. Most nations lack the military strength to fight outside of its borders. Iran, uses its proxies as a source if influence. It funds, organizes, trains, and many orchestras operations with them. It's why many IRGC members are killed out of country, because they oversee proxy forces supported by the state.
What do you mean? "So where we can do it better"?
Which app I meant
Here's fine. So, should the US be responsible for the Bay of Pigs invasion? It trained 1,400 Cuban exiles, funded them, organized them, and they invaded Cuba to overthrow Castro. Should the US bare responsibility? Should it bare bare responsibility for funding and organizing the contras in Nicaragua? They killed many people, but fought against a communist regime.
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@ThinkerShell 11 days waiting for that answer
The answer was here until now that leaves :) you still don't get it tho
You never answered the question. Look above.
Hahaha see? You can't understand :)
So you answer is "which app I meant"? That is your last reply before today.
Seems to me you ran off.
@ThinkerShell 🤔 🤔 🤔 *waits*
For what?
I'll ask again. Since you've refused to answer it for nearly 2 week.
Is the US responsible for organizations it's trains , funds, and organize
i mean given the fact that even iranians are welcoming this intervention, i think the usa is more justified. i mean you don't get straight up killed by the political regime for disagreeing with the government int he usa.
Well said
The entire world knows that Iran is a very dangerous nation with an extremely hateful regime. Even their Arab neighbors agree that Iran should never have nuclear capability. It’s time to chant “Death to Iran!”
Certainly death to the regime
Sadly, Trump is obsessed with diplomacy and the nuclear program
@FrodoSkywalker007 That lying dementia brain ridden trump wouldn't know diplomacy if it were tattooed on his forehead.
@katiesmuff clearly it didn't work with the US now attacking dual use targets as Trump promised would happen
@katiesmuff haha leave this kidd :D he plays around... pretending he's genius on politics until he wants to post something! Haha
Other than when you ignore my posts, refuse to answer questions, pretend to want to dm (which I did), have no interest in discussion and assume I don't get notifications when you reply to others. 😂
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Uh man... You speak like its still 2018
Read news
I don't like to explain all that has happened changing the region conditions from the scratch
@FrodoSkywalker007 last time answering you "here":
The first day you wrote a comment here i replied and had a question in my text which you never answered. Then told you politely that we can keep discussing somewhere else meaning you won't make mess here but look at you. You talk with people more than i do :D you even answer people who are talking with me!
Neither of you or i "have to" talk
Be sane, polite, and sourceful and stop sharing fake links
At least below my post
Or ill block/report you kid, ok?
I'll ask the question here again, since you've ignored it for 2 weeks. So, we can continue the conversation you quickly ran away from
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I'll ask again. Is the US responsible for organizations it's trains, funds, and organizes?
You seem very scared of answering because you recognize the serious hypocrisy of your statement. It's why you ran away immediately after saying we'd go through each case individually. You've literally only replied once to my argument, and ran off immediately after seeing your mistake.
Once again, is the US responsible for organizations it trains, funds, and organizes?
We both know the answer, and we both know it completely derails your argument.
Once again, your only question was "why is Beirut included Your list and others as Iranian killings"
My question to you shows the double standard and hypocrisy of the statement.
You realized this and avoided the debate for nearly 2 weeks.
@FrodoSkywalker007
Im collecting xp with you kid :D why should i keep away?
The first to skip a question was you. Answer mine, I'll answer yours. But you won't and that's why you make questions:
To skip the question you dont know what to say for and are lazy so don't read some to know
Your exact quote was
"man, have you, yourself, taken a look on the link you sent? Aside from not being a great source there are many questions.
I, respectfully ask one by one if you don't mind
Assuming all the data is true:
1. Why the writer counts the killings in Beirut and some other places as Iranian killings?"
Which I pointed out the hypocrisy of regarding US supported groups as being US responsibility.
Hence the question "I'm the US responsible for organizations it trains, funds, and organizes"
Furthermore, I messaged you privately over a week ago. Because I took your suggestion to heart to hide your fear of public debate. You openly ignored it and instead messaged to people in this question I had already spoken to. Which called me out again. I am given those notifications.
Accept it, you got on way over your head, tried to extricate yourself, and attempted to save face by calling me out again.
I have been fair.
I've already answered within my question.
Iran is at fault because they supported, funded, and organized the groups that launched these attacks..
As I stated before.
Is the US responsible for Brigade 2506?
They were all Cuban exiles. They were not American. But, they were supported and organized entirely by the US.
Should we say the US is not at fault or responsible for organizations it openly supports through material supply, training, Organization. Etc?
If you want further information.
There have been 3 separate lawsuits against Iran that have amount to millions of $. For example, on 2018, Lamberth ordered Iran to pay $920 million to 80 families of victims.
www.cohenmilstein.com/.../
The US government knew it was not only proxies of Iran, but also under the governments command. This was due to intercepts between Ambassador Mohtashemi and Musawi of the Islamic Amal. Due to repeated attacks, the IRGC were on high alert for American responses that never came. It's used by many forces as an example of breaking US resolve
www.washingtoninstitute.org/.../echoes-1983-beirut-bombings-current-iranian-proxy-escalation
www.cia.gov/.../CIA-RDP91-00587R000100200013-7.pdf
Though this is pointless, because Sayyed Issa Tabatabi acknowledged Iranian commands for the attack during a IRNA interview
www.i24news.tv/.../1696242955-iranian-official-admitting-tie-to-beirut-1983-attack-breaks-decades-of-denial
@FrodoSkywalker007 before all these wall of texts, you should "answer" my first question so i answer yours but you insist on answering my question by another question.
I don't know if you can't figure out how to do a good conversation or you like to trick. Better being polite and of good deed.
@ThinkerShell not only did I answer with a logic question, but I also replied in depth.
I attempted to go easy on you "kid"
@FrodoSkywalker007 its funny when you learn words from me :)
@ThinkerShell
Your turn. Is the USA responsible for organizations that it funds, trains, and organizes?
@FrodoSkywalker007 about two weeks and going... But you still haven't learned to answer a question. Still sking instead of answering
@ThinkerShell
Friend, look at this thread.
Not only did I answer your question with a logic question (which disproves your premise), but you will notice I this very thread I showed you why the 1983 Beirut bombings were not only Iranian proxies, but commanded by the government itself.
Simply scroll up in this thread and you will see both.
You shouldn't answer with a question
Try again better
I'm waiting
@ThinkerShell
You are being dishonest.
Scroll up in this thread.
You will see that I have answered and provided links
1. I answered with a logic questions that shows responsibility and
2. I provided admission from Tabatabi, court rulings, internal memos of Musawi and Mohtashemi etc.
You decide to be dishonest.
Don't know don't care has nothing to do with the us
Didn't get what you meant.
Conflict between Iran and US has nothing to do with the US?
@ThinkerShell I mean the US is just throwing themselves in the middle of this. Trump is neyahanu puppet whatever name that isreal owner is. Don't get me wrong I like Israel up until this point. They're creating unnecessary drama in order to take over the middle eastern I doubt Iran did anything initially
@FrodoSkywalker007 claims the zionist ran news media. Come on use you your brain
I am not going back and forth blocked him he's annoying as all get out
Typical Trump doing this for isreal. You see how this looks…
USA should nuke Iran until nobody is left.
By your logic... We can say Iran should hit Israel until nobody is left
I don't think its a good idea
@HighValue Iran would make a great ally, and have been in the past. 80% of their people hate the regime. It's why many thousands were killed in the streets. What Trump needs to accept is regime change.
They're all retarded
🤣pretty much and they have shit to do with me
USA.
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