Absolutely I do, yes. I've seen this so many times on social media, dating sites, and in real life. Women seem to only want the top 20% of men out there. The top 20% of tall men (six feet and up; a man at 5'11" is only 64th percentile, which isn't good enough), the top 20% of wealthy (men earning $80k a year or more), or the top 20% of confident men, although that is harder to quantify.
Many women always try to deny it because in general, women HATE looking bad in public and anything that paints them in a negative light, they will ALWAYS refuse, even if everyone knows its true. (Like if you ask people who are meaner to each other; everyone knows women are meaner to each other than men are towards either women or men; but few women will admit what they all know is true.)
So MANY studies, time and time again, display that most modern women have extremely high standards. Yet, because society has made everyone into little pussies afraid of being called "sexist," men want to deny what is the truth. Don't get me wrong; I don't LIKE that so many women are shallow as f*ck. But they are. Men are shallow too as well, but men don't have the power to pick and choose in the dating world like women do, so women are allowed to be more shallow due to this leverage.
Regarding your question "Would you date a woman who thought you were ugly but was dating you for other reasons?" The answer is yes. There are three requirements most straight women have in most men: Has to be tall, has to have high social market value, and has to be confident.
Ideally women want men AT LEAST six feet tall, but some are willing to settle for "as long as he's much taller than me," even if he's still short like 5'11" or 5'8" or something. Women also want men who are "successful" in some way; the most obvious one being wealth, but there are others, such as popularity, having an important job, having authority, making a good amount of income, etc. Women notoriously hate men who are underpaid or not doing important careers and will refer to them as "bums and losers." And lastly, women want men with high ego, aka "confidence." This is pretty much the most required trait and even tall and successful men who lack confidence may not do well with women. Having high ego means EVERYTHING with women, even more so than being over six feet tall and successful.
So yes. Women value things other than just physical appearance (height being part of that). But the fact remains that women are still far more shallow with men's physical appearance, than men are. Men have a wide variety of women they can find attractive, from skinny to thick, flat chested to busty, light skinned to dark skinned, brunette to blonde, etc. Most straight women pretty much only have one type of man they're attracted to: Tall, dark, athletic, and handsome. Prove me wrong.
Tinder and OKCupid 
Effort put in online dating of men, versus women 
Female height preferences of males in society. 
Pointing out women's own choices and shallowness in dating, is apparently "sexist" somehow.
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Mate... you don't get to call someone shallow for having a preference, especially when you dismiss ALL the members of that group as SHALLOW. It's a contradiction that blows your point out of the water - you say "women are choosy, they only like a small portion of men" but you also say "ALL WOMEN ARE SHALLOW", proving yourself as worse.
As far as women being meaner to each other then men, it's due to the traditional lack of self-confidence that is instilled in women through how they are raised - being overly antagonistic only makes sense if you think you need to do so in order to succeed, because you believe yourself to be inferior and you need to bring others down. It's the classic thing with narcissists - they don't talk about themselves highly because they like themselves, but because they absolutely hate themselves.
Also, it's funny how you say women are shallow for liking handsome guys (which is still a wide selection of guys), but you dismiss the fact that most men would call a woman who puts on 1 or 2 pounds as "fat", which is a lot more shallow thing to do, and they would also dismiss a woman as "slut" because she had a couple of sexual partners and wasn't shy about it.
But the mind-bogglingly wrong idea is that women need "less work" to look attractive - have you ever been with a woman? Have you ever seen a woman? Do you think they were born with make-up? Do you think those well-shaped bodies didn't go to the gym as much as only a small portion of men do? The nails, the times spent at tanning beds, at hair-dressers, picking out outfits, etc etc... and you just go "oh, we men have to work sooo hard to be attractive to the girls we literally have and who mostly look at us for valiadtion due to how society destroyed their sense of self-worth for centuries".
Get real, buddy...
P. S. It's normal for people to not consider the majority of other people as attractive. It's called "having a preference".
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2.2K opinions shared on Dating topic. Yes that's true...
But it's for looks...
Women don't love with eyes...
Women love with ears...
Say the right words and she is yours...23 Reply
Asker+1 yThat's a great comment. I gave it a "thumbs up."
I guess that's why so many guys are so cunning with their words when they want to get laid. They can sweep you off your feet.
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yIt could be true, I think women mostly "adapt" to a guy and try to find attractive traits in their personality, or mature their attraction after gathering more data than just a photo (meeting or seeing the guy interacting somewhere makes the difference).
So this study is not 100% reliable because it assumes women find men attractive based only on photos without all the other things that a real life guy would showcase (personality, how he moves, how he communiates etc, which would instead make the difference), and it assumes that women decide who to date based on how much they message them. This is wrong to assume because there could be a number of reasons why a woman doesn't text a guy. She might be shy or not feel attractive enough for a man, or not valuable enough to deserve better, and others. The wording used in the test itself could be also misleading: maybe some women thought "attractive" means actually "to feel physically attracted" and not just "decent, good looking" (waiting to meet before understanding if attracted or not). Very likely, indeed, to feel attraction through an anonymous photo only without any other detail to gather, it must be a VERY strongly attractive guy. Also the study doesn't say how many women were analyzed and in which area, age etc.
So I think it's wrong to jump on the conclusion of your title, but that it could be considered true if we mean only attraction "from photos".
Side note: a big real problem (that is based on my experience, no polls), is that guys who are usually very attractive are gay. Most of gays are not "feminine", and even so, they take much more care of their look than straight ones, have a better beard and haircut, healthier skin, dress much better, are much more empathic and more emotionally intelligent, less shy, less emotionally stiff, smile more and emit more positivity, have no toxic masculinity or other ridiculous mentalities/hobbies/manners that are all about screaming for fixing a man's ego, they're usually very charming in groups or at job and usually have some unique talents or striking qualities that make them stand out. But then, when you find a perfect man like that, you will anyway find out he's gay. I challenge you ladies telling a different story that denies this one...00 Reply
+1 yI do not necessarily find 80% of men physically unattractive.
However, I find around 95-98% of men unattractive simply due to either a lack of respect, a lack of purpose/ambition, a lack of intelligence, a lack of emotional awareness or a lack of sophistication.
This is the simple truth - it is what it is. I also find around 95% of women unattractive for the same reasons.
The lovely thing is - although they are in the minority, when I find someone that I do find attractive, there is usually a very easy resonance and sympatico between us.20 Reply
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What is so strange about people not thinking highly of a majority of other people?
I don't think most people I work with are good workers.
I don't think most people I met are good friends/partners/spouses.
I don't think most waiters I was served by were very good waiters.
I don't think most of my girlfriends were really good as girlfriends - just as I wasn't a very good boyfriend in their eyes.
If a 100 women passed me by on the street, I would find only a handful of them attractive (and not all of my mates would agree on all of them).
Judging by what people talk about or write on social media, most people share this view.
So, what is so shocking about individual women not being attracted to a lot of men? The same goes for men - there is a limited number of women we each find attractive, and it's definitely way under 50%.
I really don't understand the shock here. This sounds like just another "women are bad even if they act just like people" sort of thing. Just stop it already, they are people, just accept it and move on!
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+1 yYes. Im quite attractive id say, girls talk to me out of the blue and start convos, I've been hit on and cat called by girls before, i get more attention from girls than any of my friends ever did my whole life really... and yet i regularly get girls who tell me im ugly. Like wtf? How am i ugly when i dont even have to say anything except show up to a party or club to get laid half the time? I call bullshit.
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Asker+1 yDo you enjoy the attention you get from girls?
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Sure. Why wouldn't i? Although I've had a few stalkers which wasn't that great but not the end of the world.
Asker+1 yI have a friend who is handsome and he gets a lot of attention from women. What he hates is the jealousy of other men. Men have angrily approached him and say, "You hitting on my girlfriend!" The other thing he hates is when gay men hit on him and show hate when he rejects them.
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Usually i have a hard time with guy friends if they get a girlfriend they assume ill take her from them or something. A few have tried to cheat on my friends with me and stuff like that. I've never done that to a friend before so I don't know but they all try to keep me away from their gfs it usually seems.
Asker+1 yMy friend also complains about flirty women. He says a woman will smile at him from across the room so he will walk up to her and say, "hi." She will freak out and take offense that he did this. He claims this happens a lot. So he can't tell if a woman is interested in him or not.
2.2K opinions shared on Dating topic. Yeah of course. I am not gay, but i am also not blind. And why girls would be attracted to any more men than 20% of us i will never know and probably even lower.
Something like the guy who plays Thor i can understand. But just regular guys? Nah we be ugly.20 Reply
Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yCurrently 9 woman answered this… 28 men.. so defensive. Someone poked a nerve.
I agree with the woman that basically said their mind and mouths tend to ruin the package. Hauling around baggage from past relationships expecting the same to happen, not having healthy outlook to give a fresh start…
Healthy mind/healthy heart. Beauty on the inside tends to light up the outside.11 Reply
Opinion Owner+1 yThree people didn’t read to the end of my message. Which is why I mixed it up and worded it that way. That made my day, TY. 😁
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+1 yNo there are a lot of good looking men in the world, but what ruins their shot. Is their mindset.
Either being too timid or being a jerk.
It's nice to meet a friendly, warm welcoming guy that's confident. Leave the ego at the door.20 Reply women can get attracted after a while while men get attracted instantly. If men acted more like men with good behaviors there’s no problem to it that you might don’t look like a model
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Interesting view, I heard women say this before, that they can look past physical attraction if there is a decent man and personality there.
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@MrCommodore That's bullshit
Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yIf true, it wouldn't surprise me. Not just because I also think a lot of men are unattractive lol (ie don't see what women are attracted to), but also with how "selective" most women are, this doesn't surprise me at all.
30 Reply2.1K opinions shared on Dating topic. I believe that a lot of women find a lot of men unattractive in some form. No just facial features, but mentally thinking. Some guys really are just cunts
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yThink about how many men of your age you know, or who you see in day to day life. How many of them would you say you find attractive?
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Asker+1 yI don't look at men that way. I don't look at them and say, "He's attractive and he isn't."
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+1 yYes in theory (as in if you give a women pictures of 100 men with their statistics, she might only pick around 20) but no in practice because plenty of men (of different bodies, financial situations, jobs etc) are in relationships.
10 Reply 447 opinions shared on Dating topic. I don't think they find men unattractive, just not bothered so much about the male form as men are about the female form.
10 Reply655 opinions shared on Dating topic. Yes..
And it's a study. It doesn't matter what we say now41 Reply
+1 yProbably. I mean, most men and women are unattractive.
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Asker+1 yGod likes unattractive people more than attractive ones. That's why He made so many of them.
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yI don't think much of women so it wouldn't surprise me. I don't know how I ended up with a woman because I am not a male model. Maybe it is because of my job and my money. Who knows. Men. Watch out for your self
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+1 yThe truth is the reciprocal of that - they are only attracted to maybe 10-15% of the top men in the dating pool. At least 80% of women are. The rest of everybody else is standing on the sidelines waiting for something to happen.
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yYeah
When I was in shape and had a wallet full of cash I was having to turn women down because I'm no cheat
No I'm out of shape and stopped spending like a sailor on leave, nothing20 Reply
+1 yEh, players, "nice guys" and "bad boys" are quite unattractive to me.
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+1 yProbably, that's why men cope with status and wealth to attract a mate, because the other is so selective.
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even a guy who‘s in the top 20% but who is immature and does not have a stable career will struggle to find a good mate. Girls would rather a 6/10 or 7/10 who Is confident, decisive, ambitious and funny over an 8/10 who has nothing going for him. That’s the way female sexuality works.
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yThats true. That's guys worst fears , as too many girls date guys for money or other materials rather than himself.
20 Reply1.2K opinions shared on Dating topic. Yeah and what's laughable is there are studies and research to back these claims up yet people will still deny it and say that personel experiences out beat data lol
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+1 yWell women just put make up and wigs over their ugliness
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yI believe it's 99% that 1% is only attractive to them.
20 Reply506 opinions shared on Dating topic. That might be true. Most women I come across are nervous around me but seem fine with other guys
00 ReplyIt certainly seems to be true
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+1 yYes. This is well documented.
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+1 yYes or it could be 90%.
30 Reply I think 90% of women don't find me attractive.
20 ReplyYeah I believe that.
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Asker+1 yWould you date a woman who thought you were ugly but was dating you for other reasons? Like a good job, nice car, other assets>
Asker+1 yI wouldn't date someone who I found ugly. But I would if I thought he was slightly below average and above. I wouldn't date a handsome guy because all the ones I know at college are self-absorbed and self-centered. The BS isn't worth it.
5.8K opinions shared on Dating topic. No, I don't believe that.
00 Reply628 opinions shared on Dating topic. I would agree with that.
10 Reply1.3K opinions shared on Dating topic. At least they attempt to project it.
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Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yIt sure seems that way.
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+1 yI guess I'm not a woman.
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+1 yI'd say so yes
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yNo, that is BS, obviously.
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yI think it's 99% only 1% men look attractive.
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+1 yNo I don't believe that at all
01 Reply i dont believe it.
#MayTheDarkShineYourWay00 Reply- 2.1K opinions shared on Dating topic.
+1 yYupp
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3.1K opinions shared on Dating topic. yes.
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yNope i find most of them attractive
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Opinion Owner+1 y@Aissa698 nope
15.1K opinions shared on Dating topic. Yes I do
20 Reply13.4K opinions shared on Dating topic. No, I don't.
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yPossibly
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+1 yI don't.
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