What kind of a woman is the high value woman to you?

[Anonymous]

Does virginity matter in a relationship?

Which girl is high value girl/woman? her body, actions, thoughts, humor, education level, hobbies etc.

[Lliam]

I'll try to paint a general picture of my idea of a high value partner.

- She cute and has a girl-next-door quality as opposed to a Barbie or Instagram model.
- She has feminine behavior and mannerisms.
- She's fit, takes care of herself, and is meticulously clean and well groomed.
- She has good taste in hair, makeup and attire, but isn't up-tight or too conservative.
- She can be cute and sexy but never looks like a street hooker.
- I like it if she's a bit quirky and has her own style, doesn't follow fashion trends and isn't into any subculture. But she can also look stunning and classy when appropriate.
- She has self esteem and self respect and won't put up men who act like her boss or her superior.
- She is a bit rebellious and questions authority.
- She enjoys life and a bit of adventure.
- She's smart but I don't care about college degrees as long as she has some kind of career skill or talent.
- She's plucky, has a strong work ethic, and supports herself.
- She is curious and open minded.
- She thinks for herself.
- She can be serious, focused and think deeply, but she can also be fun loving and has a good sense of humor.
- She is kind, generous, empathetic, tender, nurturing and passionate.
- She's not frivolous or into consumerism.
- She has good values and ethics.
- She is monogamous and will be 100% loyal as long as her loyalty is earned.
- She's heterosexual, has a strong libido, is erogenous and orgasmic. She likes eroticism and being sexually submissive.
- She has been in infatuated relationships before and given herself completely. But she had sense to know when to move on if they didn't work out. She gained knowledge, experience and wisdom in the process. I place zero value on virginity or the idea of "purity". I would be suspicious of a virgin but wouldn't rule her out. I wouldn't date someone who was saving herself or marriage, though, for several important reasons that I won't list here.

[zeitgeist057]

Virginity doesn’t matter. I mean, it’s sweet and special, but it’s not something to stress about. If we happened to have already had a moment in our lives where we wanted to have sex with someone and did, it’s not a bad thing. I wouldn’t want to deny someone a beautiful experience just because I wasn’t there.
A high value woman is kind to others, including animals or other helpless beings. She takes care of her health and strives for balance and growth in the major categories: physical fitness, mental fitness, social interactions, financial stability, spiritual development (maybe some other focuses as well?).
Having a sense of humor and a playful nature is great, and so is the ability to be serious and responsible. The joy of a romantic relationship for me is not requiring and defining too much what particular hobbies a person must have; what is important to me is that we have a mutual attraction and chemistry. I enjoy learning new things, so I don’t mind a partner who enjoys subjects or activities I have no prior knowledge of.

[zeitgeist057]

PS most men are insecure and want a woman who hasn’t had sex with anyone else because secretly they are insecure that if she knew any other men, they would be compared as lesser. Most of the “traditional” values are based in insecurity. Wanting a woman to be submissive, weaker, obedient, smaller, younger, respectful and loyal like a dog, even if beaten. Flirting with others also makes them insecure, jealousy is a major trait. They don’t care about education and intelligence, and actually prefer it to be lower. The question is, do you want to be considered “high value” by a “low value” man like that?

[Mewzinc]

How do I find a man like you? What are the traits I should look out for?

[zeitgeist057]

@Mewzinc "a man like (me)" lol. I could answer this in a variety of ways, but I think what you are really asking is how to find a man who is accepting/loving and not controlling? I would look at the description I gave and realize if this is what he wants (and not a hypocrite), then he will probably be doing the same for his own life. So look for signs this is how he is living.

As for loving/accepting and not controlling, pay attention to how he treats people in his life, especially women (like family members). Pay attention to how he treats you and talks. Most men at least give subtle clues they are controlling, or start to manipulate early on.

Or you could tell me what you mean by "a man like you", and I could be more specific.

[BoopBoopBeep]

I'm not sure it's safe to say men WANT a woman with lower education, we just don't care about how high it is. I've dated GED, MD, JD and PhD. Doesn't play into the equation of why I'm with you.

[Mewzinc]

Hmmm well I dont really know how to word it because I don't have that much experience with these kind of things. But I can tell you are a nice person, that you don't treat women in this particular way that most men do. It's hard to explain.

I'm afraid because I'm waiting for marriage and I've noticed through dating the kind of guys that want a girl who's waiting for marriage are misogynistic and horrible men who don't respect women or see them as their equal.

I noticed that comes with the territory for someone like me to come across a guy like that. If you remember our last conversation, I'm the bish with the fearful avoidant attachment style. It's like I'm waiting for marriage yet I can't even date, I'm so afraid lol.

[zeitgeist057]

@Mewzinc there's a lot to unpack in what you said, and your unique situation.

I think the generalization is valid, equating traditional/conservative with greater incidence misogyny, but there is plenty of toxicity and issues on the liberal side of dating as well. It's not devoid of inequality or misogyny, either.

I think in our other convo, you were anonymous and I hadn't made the connection. One thought that comes to me though is that I see this 'strategy' in conservative/traditional types and it always seems a bit of faulty logic. Like wanting to be a champion tennis player, but refusing to play ever, no practicing or anything, only wanting to play at Wimbledon. But how can one expect to be good enough to compete at Wimbledon without ever playing? Equating this to experience in sex, dating, relationships, communication, &c. I have gone the other path and dated and done a lot of everything, and I feel increased confidence in my communication, ability to be a supportive and understanding partner, &c. Not to mention a few advanced sexual skills. :) I've had lots of mistakes to teach me along the way, though.

[inhua]

you're spewing bullshit and non-existent motives on traditional values

[DextroShade]

It's the cucked simps like yourself who tolerate their woman flirting with other dudes who are low value. Men who have value have options and don't have to tolerate disrespectful and promiscuous behaviors and they usually don't. Only men who lack options put up with it because they can't do better, then they try to rationalize it or cloak it in virtue, it's pathetic.

[Mewzinc]

@zeitgeist057 I get what you are saying about you know having sex to gain experience and have it shape me into a better person, however it's not like that for women at least in my eyes. You can live that life and feel proud about it. I know you'll be praised by society. However, I know I won't and I know dating will be harder for me if I sleep around. Also, I am too religious to have sex so casually, I'm waiting for marriage for God, because I believe for myself that is the right thing to do. I want to right by God and for my future husband as well as for myself. Along with many other personal convictions that hold me back. I see more cons than pros. I know I'm not the type to freely have sex and enjoy it with multiple men. I prefer to wait and find that one guy. Plus I don't have a crazy high sex drive, I can wait it's not big deal.

[Mewzinc]

@zeitgeist057 oops I forgot I was anonymous when I answered that question lol. I turn most of my opinions anonymous after a while.

[zeitgeist057]

@Mewzinc it's not primarily about practicing sex, I would say it's primarily about practicing communication; knowing how to build intimacy, trust, and a strong foundation for your relationship. Romantic relationships give us opportunities to explore how we express ourselves, and practice understanding how others express their needs.

I do understand that you are holding out for your hero, so to speak. How do you feel about dating without sex? Having romantic relationships without the physical element? If that's something you want to do, I would advise you decide ahead of time where on the spectrum you want to draw your line. A long time ago, I realized that sex actually lies on a spectrum of intimacy, and is initiated long before penetration happens. For example, conversation and eye contact leads to hand holding, which leads to hugging, which leads to kissing, which leads to caresses, which leads to more intimate hugging and groping, which leads to more intimate kissing and so on. That's just the physical side of things, there is also a mental escalation which parallels these actions. So where will you stop yourself from progressing further down that path of intimacy? And what impact will that have on the relationship you are exploring? I can say if you were interacting with "a man like me", unless you can be clear in your communication and it comes across as genuine, he may take it as a sign that things aren't meant to be between you, and move on.

It is an obstacle that I'm sure many people have faced before and there are good solutions to navigate this and other difficulties of maintaining a sex-free relationship. But having a plan or maybe even multiple strategies and knowing your boundaries ahead of time is a good idea.

[gothbxtch]

any woman who isn’t mean or a bigot or hateful person can be a “high value woman”. virginity only matters to absolute dickbags who don’t deserve you anyways.

[gothbxtch]

also virginity isn’t a real thing, it’s just a social construct

[inhua]

how is virginity a social construct?

[gothbxtch]

thank you!

[WhyohWhy69]

Lol that is so fake alpha. Find someone right for you. Drop the bs.

[inhua]

a woman whom most self-respecting men want but she only ever gives her mind, spirit and body to one man and one man only and is willing to dedicate herself to him.

virginity until an eternally committed monogamous relationship. yes definitely. the higher the body count, the more problems that can potentially arise in the relationship.

her body. yes to a degree, more so for health than just pure attractiveness. healthy babies come from healthy mothers and healthy habits lead to longer life

her actions yes definitely. she can't be disrespectful, posting lewd pictures online, dressing provocatively in public, flirting with other guys, doing anything that jeopardizes the relationship etc.

her thoughts should be towards love, loyalty, fidelity and a degree of sacrifice. it's ok for her to expect the same and want reciprocation

her humor doesn't matter that much. only that she doesn't get offended easily

her education level plays no part. it doesn't matter whether she works as a lawyer or a waitress at Starbucks

her hobbies doesn't really matter too much. it'd be nice to share the same but not compulsory. it's more so she's not dismissive of her man's hobbies

[hahahmm]

I've written about it in mytakes. But if you look at what women give away freely today, it tells you what is worthless: sex. Used to be women had common sense to know that sleeping around didn't make them valuable. Now most women are deluded & think that having a vagina makes them worth a lot. The things that make a woman valuable are:

Ability to be loyal, respectful, not see men as competition (which increases her ability to be feminine). In general being traditional makes you more valuable which is why feminists want men who are traditional when it benefits her but she's unwilling to be traditional for him and claims it is "oppression".

A lot of women don't have anything to offer because it's easier to not build good character traits. A lot of what you see people doing these days is what's easy. They're too lazy to put in the work but the spin it as some kind of virtue.

The problem with not being a virgin is more pronounced the younger you are. It's basically a symptom of you not being focused on more important things than sex. And women (in general) have a big problem with exes. The more bodies in your history the less you're able to properly focus/give a chance to the current guy. Some women (and their butt kissers) claim that men should have to live by the same rules as women but from my POV that's fools' talk. Men and women are NOT the same. We want different things & have different expectations. When a woman tells a man she knows more about what men want than men do... you know she's high on something. But it's easier for her to think she knows best than to put in the effort to be what guys actually value.

[EricSummer]

She should be:

Loyal - by which I also mean capable of attachment and sexually faithful (I'm the same)

Pretty - in her own way. Body type can be from normal weight to overweight, not too slim and not obese.

Intelligent and educated - All my partners had university degrees and I do, too.

Caring

And ideally she enjoys sex with me, as something we like doing together, not a reward for what a man does for her.

I realize I'm asking quite a lot, but my girlfriend is all that and more (also, she is really pretty, not only "in her own way").

[AaronKrieger]

Virginity 100% does not matter to me.

A high value woman to me is someone who is self-aware and objective while still holding high standards in an individual. I don't mean superficial bullshit, but the type who go after men who are high valued themselves and look for long-term compatibility. It's really just someone who knows their self-worth, but in a non-narcissistic way.

Outside of that, it's really just her worth is having a good personality (trustworthy/loyal, compassionate, mentally strong, etc.). Her looks do not determine whether she is high-valued or not.

[RavVid]

I would take the traditional feminine virtues as being high value. Any number of men here have said we don't care how much you earn or your education level. Don't care about hobbies either.

Liveability is the biggie. Co-operative, kindness and family oriented. We do want our sexual needs to be honored. I think it is important a girl continues to be our sex object and puts the effort in there.

It is quite unlikely a girl will be a virgin but fidelity is fundamental in a relationship. If there have been football teams then most men would perceive the likelihood of fidelity to be low to none.

[DermalPunch]

Sex object? How about sexual partner? A woman isn't a vibrator.

[RavVid]

@DermalPunch A relationship counselor made the comment that he was happy to see the wife was a still a sex object to the husband. Oh yeah I know the feminist tropes about objectification etc and all the vitriol on that. BUT how do you think we came to be in a relationship with you? Seriously?

If we didn't want to be able to objectify our partner we'd just live with our sister for god's sake who - all going well - we never see as a sexual object.

You can use different words if you like but if doesn't change the reality. We are with you because of sexual attraction.

I imagine it is the same on the female side. You could well dislike that beer belly we are growing on the couch.

[DermalPunch]

He has no business as a counselor. Objectification is dehumanisation. I hate feminism. Sexual attraction does not mean I view my partner as a sexual object. An object is an inanimate thing. My partner is nit a binder or treadmill. They are a living human. I am connecting with them intimatley via sexual intimacy. Not as an object. How you see nothing wrong with this way a viewing a person is astounding.

[DermalPunch]

It's also telling that you say you don't care about her hobbies. So basically you don't give a crap about her passions and what makes her feel alive.

[RavVid]

@DermalPunch It is all different word expressions for the same thing. I did think I would get reaction to the phrasing I chose, so thanks.

You will have noticed on GAG numerous men say they don't care what a woman earns which is almost the same thing as what work she does for a living because the two highly correlate.

I am yet to experience a woman genuinely interested in what my work involves other than at a highly superficial one sentence level. There is interest in what I am paid for it.

Hobbies are unpaid work. I am yet to experience a woman who is interested enough to ask if I have hobbies let alone more than a highly superficial one sentence level.

So it is not particularly gendered.

The question contained "high value woman to you". Repeat "to you". That is what qualities can a woman have that are of particular value to you (as a man presumably). I am directly answering that question not the reverse where you are going.

[BobLouis]

I am not a woman hater or anything. But if I am being honest a lot of women don't really give much meaning or value in a relationship. I am sure if it's because guys butter them up too much and they don't think they need to.

I am not going to sugar code it. I hear a lot of guys complain about their girlfriends being lazy or materialist. Which I don't blame women for acting that way because I am sure most men would act like a princess if they were treated like a celebrity.

Again I am not hating on women just trying to be honest about what I've observed. I am sure most guys would do the samethings. I am only giving constructive feedback back and letting you know that women aren't perfect because I want you to be the best version of yourself. I would go into more details, but I don't feel like being labeled for speaking up.

[richardcory]

Capable, able to be independent but prefers to spend time with me. Enjoys life. A good match in the types of things we enjoy doing and talking about. A nerd like me. Really enjoys sex with compatible kinks. Good sense of humor and no "minefields" in conversations.

[asphaltrhymes]

All of those personality traits and mannerisms are pleasant and welcomed. However, and this is subject to physical tastes, sometimes bigger tits to draw in the eyes 👀👀 or the pretty face without makeup draws in the eyes 👀👀 but then I change my mind like the weather and sometimes luck just finds me or anyone who wants the whole wish-list lol 😋👀🙃🥛🥛😅♂️♀️

[Lionman95]

I would say a woman is high value because she brings high value in my life. Either through her character or talents. She brings something that inspires me to my best at all times or helps me see life through a different lense. For me it´s mainly about the actions, education, hobbies and character.

A woman being a virgin is special to me in the modern day and age. But I would also date a woman that is not a virgin unless she hasn´t changed her mind and is mainly interested in sex.

[Adam1978]

High value women is either virgin or has a very low body count and all are in long term relationships. She doesn't have someone elses kids, ie no other mans offspring, She is loyal, she is caring and value and respect the man. She has a positive attitude and isn't afraid of doing household work or support a man when he does the heavier tasks. She is good enough looking so she can be eye candy. Ie she needs to have traditional values so she can be a good mother to a family.

[ElianaS]

Would you consider a very low body count as 1 or 2?

[Adam1978]

Depends on age, I would say it's okay to go up one every 5 year of adulthood or roughly around that.

[ElianaS]

I’m 17 but I have 0. So I was just asking

[Adam1978]

That is perfect and very common in your age. Don't be afraid to date, just make sure you do filter the guy and make sure you don't start with sex until you got a relationship you think can be lasting. You might frustrate some guys but that is the best filter between those who only want sex and those who want that and more.

[Berethor]

Virginity is an important factor, humor, education and hobbies do not matter much to men.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy#Research

[ColHathi]

I don't have high standards for that sort of thing. If I get along with her, if I can trust her and confide in her without worry, then that's all that I could really ask for.

There's a bunch of little things that could elevate her even higher of course, and I could list some of them out if you want, but they don't truly matter.

And no, virginity doesn't matter to me.

[Staximus]

At my age virginity doesn't matter anymore, but I don't want the town bicycle either. A honest person, doesn't make poor life decisions, is good to others and herself, is a contributor and not a lackadaisical manipulator. The list can get pretty long.

[DextroShade]

High value women are fit, feminine, friendly, cooperative, submissive, and childless. They are young, have low body counts, take accountability, and proactively strive to please their man and be helpful to him.

They are NOT strong, independent boss bitches.

[DermalPunch]

So you want a weak woman? Because bearing your children and raising them doesn't require any strength.

[DextroShade]

@DermalPunch I want a woman who prioritizes being a wife and mother over a career, and thankfully I have one. This does not make her weak, I would argue that the women who ride the cock carousel and prioritize their jobs over being wives are weak and insecure because they are afraid to commit to and trust a man.

[DermalPunch]

"They are NOT strong, independent boss bitches."

[DextroShade]

@DermalPunch to be clear, I use that phrasing but because that's how they tend to describe themselves, not because I actually think they are strong or that tradwives are weak.

[DermalPunch]

Mmhmm. Ok

[DermalPunch]

So how should a woman who is strong and independent describe herself. And if she is a stay at home mom who actually homemakes she is a Boss. That is hard work that never ends. So what are the proper adjectives? 😀

[Fromdusktilldawn]

• respectful
• emphatic
• no gold digger, self entiteled diva
• open minded and confident
• doesn't throw away her life with drugs, alcohol or toxic activism
• is loyal and mature minded
• no gossiping or talking trash behind your back
• kind, patient
• no slut that jumps from one guy to another
• not a shallow girl who prejudges people quickly and only wants bad guys
• is curious, ambitious

[BarryLiverstone]

What matters:
her body - that matters. If she becomes unhealthy it can cause challenges in the relationship
actions - that matters. If she abuses people or breaks laws it’s not good
thoughts - that matters. If she becomes depressed and only thinks the worst that affects her actions
humor - that matters. Life is boring if always serious.


education level - that matters. An ignorant person can’t handle responsibility

[BoopBoopBeep]

I know people with GEDs in management positions making six figures.

[BarryLiverstone]

And your point? That person still worked hard to get the GED.. someone who dropped out in the 10th grade usually is less capable

[BoopBoopBeep]

@BarryLiverstone my point was I don't care what education level a woman has. I've met a great many blue collar women I considered to be of high quality and I know a lot of worthless women with PhDs. I agree with you that "an ignorant person can't handle responsibility"... i have just met a great many ignorant people with a high student loan debt

[BarryLiverstone]

It’s ok to disagree. I value education

[BoopBoopBeep]

Absolutely! Cheers!

[KingOfMe1]

I don't like the term high valued. I'd rather talk about what I value.

A woman that is

• kind
• courteous
• Mentally disciplined
• Enthusiastic
• Healthy both ways

[Keishio]

High value for me would be feminine, health conscious, active and outdoorsy, doesn't put too much value on material things, independent (can drive/has supported herself for a while financially/has a career with good income), wants kids and a family, monogamous and just a nice person, no mind games or meanness

[Reorx]

1: Can she still pairbond or is she too tramatized?

2: How good of a Mother would she be for our kids?

3: Is she modest?

4: Does she have any clue what she wants or another lost girl waiting for consequence to dictate her future?

[Anonymous]

a high value woman is between the ages of 17 and 21, She has perfect good looks, amazing big boobs, bubble butt, shiny soft shampoo commercial hair, she's athletic, flexible, a virgin or near to one, comes from a wealthy family,

[jshm2]

One with harvestable organs.

Joking aside, what other sort of answer do you want to feed your insecurities.

All women are "high value" to someone, but useless to another.

[RealMarek]

The one who is most compatible with me and knows how to love without putting up walls to intimacy.

[DarkWinterNights]

My opinion of a high value woman is one who takes care of herself, is emotionally mature, has a firm grasp on her beliefs and traditions, respects her elders, has a strong conscience and is fiercely loyal.

[ProbablyClueless]

Emotional stability is huge. Integrity, meaning what you say and saying what you mean.

Here's a really big one; being an easy person to be around. So many women are incredibly unpleasant people.

[Anonymous]

- Nice big tits without being fat

- Youthful, I don't want her to look old

- Not a feminist

- Not a gold digger

- Don't watch / read porn focusing on men

- Virgin. Don't want her to have slept with other guys before me

- Education is not necessary, but if she has one it won't make her much less attractive

[gothbxtch]

🤢🤢

[Miristheiss]

Sweet, kind, loyal, feminine, high character, easy going, high value on sex and intimacy (not promiscuous), modest, not into social media, family oriented.

[TooHot2Care]

I need a Bimbo.

I'm holding out for a Bimbo till the end of the night.

She's gotta be hot.

She must have a butt

And she'll suck her way out of a fight.

Yeah, I got issues. . . LMFAO.

[Malwi93]

did u write this lol

[TooHot2Care]

@Malwi93 Yup.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Virginity matters, as does shared hobbies and interests, and talents, and intelligence, and sense of humor, and looks.

[Raaj4you]

Typical traditional woman + a blend of modern woman. A high value women is someone who has all the good qualities, a complete package. It doesn't matter if she isn't perfect.

[slatyb]

Virginity? Useless to me.
A high value woman is intelligent, respectful of others and her self.

[Anonymous]

I'm a family guy so the things that make a woman high value to me are the same ones that have made women valuable throughout history. Those things will never change, as much as some women try to change them.

[kappasan]

A less narcissistic woman who also likes to have sex a lot, but only with me. Oh wait... that's a unicorn. It is a magical creature. They don't exist, fellas.

[Anonymous]

Expect a lot of creepy answers from older men wanting virgins.

[BarryLiverstone]

Could have just said “expect a lot of creepy answers” for most gag questions ;)

[RingOfFire]

What's creepy about wanting a virgin? Only thing I can think of is that if a woman is still a virgin at my age that isn't just "high value" it's JACKPOT! 🤪

[BarryLiverstone]

Creepy because the older men are not virgins themselves

[Anonymous]

I like girls that had a wild past but are willing to be loyal to me, I find it exciting to think she had experience and guys went crazy for her

[kakaling]

Patience to the man she loves. Those that are impatience always have a high body count she just wants the instant intimacy and thrill.

[kakaling]

Ask him the reason if you can't wait that long, don't assume.

[Blueeyes81]

One who does not describe herself as high value.

[Anonymous]

Very feminine, well educated, successful, very dominant, take control, sexually dominant, open minded, curious, sexy.

[Kingofkings1992]

Can we do away with the “high value” BS already?

[Yannishka]

Taking notes... taking notes...

[sheikalana]

A virgin LOL.

[pervertedjester]

A partner in crime, that I can trust.

[Iron_Man]

Always demanding something

[Iron_Man]

Oops, sorry I read it wrong. I thought high maintenance.

[Manuel2]

The woman who says she lovez you

[LiamJHayden]

Adores me and is faithful.

[shades777]

one that smoke weed, she's pretty high

[Anonymous]

She knows.