
Why is it socially acceptable to wear leather, but not fur?

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Because leather almost always comes from cow, as in cow hide, and since we already *eat* beef then it would just be wasteful to not also use the hide for purposeful stuff.
With fur however, it is usually from animals such as mink that there is no practical reason to kill or hunt, other than for their fur, so it's merely cosmetic. There is no *need* behind their deaths, as with cows, because people have to eat after all. I think that's the difference that most people see.
There are some folks out there though who support PETA's message and/or are vegan, who don't see a difference at all and think they're both bad, which is fair enough I guess.
Probably because animals that has several purposes like leather, wool and food do usually get treated way better than what fur animals do in addition to serve more than only one purpose. When you're first going to kill an animal for food, you can use their leather too so lesser gets wasted. In addition fur animals often are wild animals that gets trapped and sometimes they gets skinned alive. Cows and other farm animals aren't as wild, are more used to spend their time on farms since they're raised there and they gets a more painless slaughtering.
Lol farmed animals aren’t treated better
Yes, they're in many places. In my country they're treated better than fur animals. I'm not saying that everything is perfect. The farms can absolutely improve. But they still gets better treatment if we compare these two. They gets more space, better food, goes outside often, often gets a form of sleeping gas before the slaughter and don't get skinned alive. The slaughter waits to cut in them after they've been shot and died.
No, they really don’t. Factory farming is still huge, across the globe because the demand is high for cheap, quick produce instead of ethically sustainable farming that gives the animal a suitable quality of life, and slaughter practises vary *hugely* from place to place both for cost effective and cultural aspects. Ethical farming and mass animal slaughter needs far more regulation and actual repercussion before it can be said they are treated better.
www.smh.com.au/.../...-horror-20180503-p4zd9q.html
www.truthaboutfur.com/.../are-animals-skinned-alive-in-the-fur-trade
I agree with those opinions about divisions of meat/skin and fur animals...
But also think how many items and things are made from skin (accessories, all sorts of clothes, bags, shoes, car seats, furniture, etc...)
and how little of fur (the percentage of)...
It's the business and the lobby of investors/factories owners creating the trends and our 'needs' ... too.
To me with Leather the whole cow has been used then where as with fur they just use the fur and toss the carcass, and it's not done in a humane way either, not saying cows are treated humanely. I'm a meat loving use to wear leather until my cats kept destroying them. Only jackets they'd go after my leather and suede go figure...
Just a note for the people responding, leather does not just come from cows. All manner of creatures donate their hides for leather.
I’ve often wondered this myself but fur doesn’t bother me if someone else wears it. I don’t like it but that’s just a subjective fashion choice for me. Totally cool with leather tho.
Loads of people wear fux fur and it is considered fashionable. Real fur doesn't come from an animal that we'd slaughter to eat like leather. Fur is from animals that are hunted for fur, it can come from endangered animals, which promotes hunting, species have become extinct being hunted for there fur.
Often rabbits are skinned for their fur, and are farmed for food yet it’s still not widely accepted or done to wear their skin?
Although some fur is ethically sourced, most of it isn't. People want snake skin, tigers fur, fox fur, species have become extinct because of the unethical fur trade. Leather has more purpose as well, it is hard wearing for workers shoes.
So is leather - not all leather comes from cows or is ethically sourced yet people don’t scrutinise it to the level they do fur, which is also useful in some climates
Neither is ethical, no one vegetarian or vegan, or is ethical owns either. I'm just saying that leather is the better of the two evils as it serves a purpose unlike fur. In the western world fur is only for astetics and people is fashion wear fux fur all the time, I can easily walk into a shop and buy a fux fur coat or a fux leather jacket. People do wear fur all the time, look at ugg boots, or jumpers, furry coat inserts.
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Probably bc you don't see many people wearing furs anymore. At least not in the US.
I just watched a show about someone getting a fecal transplant (swallowing frozen poo pills) to restore their gut bacteria and cure C. diff. Guy donating get $40/log of poo. When does THAT become socially acceptable?
That’s still not socially acceptable 😂 what the hell are you watching?
A show called "Nova Wonders: What's living in you?". It was on last Wednesday night.
Here it is... go 36 minutes in to find out. :o
www.pbs.org/.../
I’m scared to click on it 🙈
Computer says no 😕
https://i.imgur.com/di2et1S.jpg
Probably not 😛 and I thought people turning their placenta into pills was bad enough, you’ve schooled me
In my own honest opinion I think it is not acceptable to kill an animal to use the fur only.
Cows for instance, are for humans, meat, milk, and leather.
Taking into consideration the part of humans who are not vegans nor vegetarians.
Sheep also are a good source of protein and wool.
The fur is usually "Poaching".
Would you like people killing Lions, tigers and other threatened species?
In Africa, they are killing elephants for the Ivory for instance, and it is not acceptable.
Cows and sheep will always be available, while Giraffes, Elephants, Tigers, Pandas, Lions, etc.. are threatened.
Frankly, I have nothing against people wearing "Fake" fur or leather. It looks sexy and beautiful especially on a woman.
Animals farmed for food are typically subjected to much stricter regulations to comply with food safety rules.
But the fur trade doesn't care what kind of state fur animals are in as long as the fur isn't damaged.
So things like diseases, starvation, and missing limbs probably don't faze fur traders too much.
Great point 😊
Fur comes from adorable creatures of which people cannot stand the thought of them being killed just for there fur.
Plus leather is also a by-product if the meat industry in the same way the meat industry is a by-product of the dairy industry. So with leather animals are not just bred an killed for there skin while with fur they are.
It maybe unethical to wear either, depending on your belief system. But regulations regarding the killing of livestock (ie: cattle, pigs, chicken, goats, sheep, ducks etc:) are “humanely” conducted...
Whereas the clubbing to death of baby seals and other “wildlife” is patently uncontrolled, not regulated and in humane.
Leather is a by-product of the use of livestock processed for food. A lot of other products such as bones and offal are boiled, cooked and fats extracted for use in soap and cosmetic products.
Generally speaking leather is already associated with a culture of antiestablishment individualism. Meaning the likelihood of the guy in the leather jacket even acknowledging your animal rights complaints is low. Furs simply aren’t as culturally defined. Neither is truly “socially acceptable” it’s just that furs are an easier target and far more likely to be debated.
Because the animal rights lobby has been successful at demonizing fur in some countries. In my life in Canada fur was fine then it wasn’t and then every woman in Canada who wasn’t a vegan decided she needed a fur trimmed down parka.
I think that the reason is some animals fur come from are cute. And there is the food aspect. It’s not that it’s more ethical because we are eating them. It’s that most non vegetarians aren’t willing to stop eating cows so can’t be angry about leather.
Cows aren't being explicitly hunted for leather, there is plenty of it to go around thanks to delicious, delicious cheeseburgers. Fur on the other hand is mostly the reason the animals are hunted in the first place, and MANY times the rest of the body is just discarded.
Many animals used for fur are farmed, but theirs still isn’t generally accepted?
I dunno tbh, my great uncle owns a cattle farm up in Whatcom County in the State of Washington less than 20 miles from the Canadian border.
I was nearly killed by a bunch of Cattle there.
I will say that when I think of that incident while eating beef, I feel a little good about myself
I accept it , doesn't bother me 1 bit animals were put on earth for us to eat and to cloth us , it's called survival , it cracks me up when people r against it considering animals kill each other for survival but that's ok , our society is so fucked up
I can barely understand what the hell you're saying.
Why.
... Uh. You act like we're all living in a terrarium and aliens are pulling all the strings. What are you talking about they were "put here" for something. No one was put here for any purpose by anything. Humans evolved to the point of being able to manipulate the world around them and be able to make themselves more comfortable via that manipulation.
OR you could just... not do that. Since the wild needs more natural predators, not fewer.
You're probably insane, then.
... I don’t think people need a mink trench coat or a leather gimp mask for survival
Hi, I'm a bit late to the discussion but I wanted to see if you had anymore information on this topic? I am doing a dissertation on Fur vs Leather for university with my fashion course and I wanted to see if you had anymore of a detailed opinion considering using fur and leather when it comes to ethics and also sustainability. Do you think it would be better to use real fur and leather compared to synthetics that are made up of plastic? A real fur or leather jacket will biodegrade within 3-5 years but synthetic alternatives will stay on the planet for an estimated of 500+ years. Any opinions or views would be much appreciated, thank you!
Cow, leather, food, / exotic animal, fur, waisted everything else. Cows born raised breed for that other animals are hunted trapped killed even some skinned alive and left to suffer and die that's a food start as to why
Well, look at the people who wear fur, mostly older rich females, an easy target.
Now look at those that wear leather, young males, often times in large groups like Hell's Angels, not an easy target, in fact, if you said anything about them wearing leather, you might not be alive by time the encounter ends.
I think it's because wearing fur is associated with wealthy status and the fact they are willing to torture, kill and skin animals that the rest of us consider rare and exotic just so they can look "fashionable". I guess it's also because cows are used as a food source, which means we try to utilize all parts of the animal, including the skin.
I'm not sure but I think it's because it's more cruel to get fur than leather. Some stole the fur of the animals without killing it and just let him to suffer.
While when the take the leather the animals is already dead.
I think it can, be why.
What makes you think both aren’t killed for their skin?
I said "Some" which mean sometime they stole the fur of an animals without even killing it but in a lot of time yes they do kill them.
Also taking the leather of a cow is another things than taking the fur of a fox.
A cow is killed for her meat and then we use her skin to make leather. A fox is only killed for his fur, we don't eat fox.
Fuzzy creatures are cute, so let's not kill them. Cows are delicious, so they can die. Might as well use the rest of it too.
(This is more of a satirical statement and not the views I hold)
The common argument is that fur comes from rather rare animals while leather is often a byproduct from meat production.
Ip ersonally don't quite see the logic in that argument.
Especially seeing as leather often isn’t a byproduct, but a subsidiary of meat production
I'm not a peta person and my logic is flawed. But I think animals should only be killed for food. In that case of fur, it doesn't sit too well with me, neither does leather, I try to buy fake leather.
But I think there's a HUGE difference between eating a farmed cow and killing the last known golden bunny to make a hand bag. Endangered animals should most definitely be left alone, I don't think species should end just for some products, that isn't an sustainable byisness model either.
Because the animals that are used for fur are killed exclusively for the purpose of using their fur, whereas leather is harvested from cows, which are killed for a variety of reasons
Not all leather comes from cows - deer, pigs, goats and sheep, even dogs are skinned for their products and they aren’t all used for meat
It doesn't most leather in general is fake compared to most Fern general which there is fake fur but the biggest use of fur is real. Most letter is actually pleather which is just a artificial leather brand
Because leather is usually from a cow and they use all the other parts of the cow along with the leather. But with fur, it usually comes from an animal people don’t eat, so you’re killing an animals just for their fur
The social acceptance is pretty uniform. You can either afford it or you can't, which is why you rarely see it. The types of people who would bash you for wearing fur, would do the same for leather.
Wait fur isn't socially acceptable? What the hell well fuck society wear what you like I walk around in hemp shirts and harem pants and noone seems to care so if you wanna wear fur you go do that hell take it one step further and wear grass clothes if you really want to stand out... Or just like stick with the animal carcass its up to you plus leather and fur are one in the same its still animal skin I think people should wear what they personally like and everyone else should mind their own
When we kill animals such as Minks for their fur, we just throw away the rest of the carcass. However, when we kill cows for leather, we do use the other parts such as food
Are you supprised? Did you think that society's standards are logical? Haha
It's true most of them don't make sense.
Thank you
Cow's are killed for their meat all the time so using their skin for more applications is deemed acceptable whereas the animals that get killed for fur... are just killed for fur.
And if cows are separated into purposes - meat, dairy and leather is it still acceptable?
I don think it's an issue so long as its faux fur or leather.
However, I do remember there was an issue with certain retailers last year where real fur was passed off as fake and people were unknowingly buying it.
I don't think they farm animals for fur do they, if they do i don't see why it's not ok.
They do. Mink, rabbits, foxes and chinchillas are all farmed for fur
In the case of minks, foxes, and chinchillas, they are killed ONLY for fur. With cows we get meat, bones for broth, and leather, but chinchillas and the others they kill, and dump the skinless body.
YES IN MOST INDUSTRIES THERE WASTE, and I'm sure some products I enjoy have enormous waste and what not, o guess it makes makes me a hipocrite.
You have EVERY right to wear fur, but personally I don't like it because I don't like that the animals die just for their skin. I really like foxes, bunnies and chinchillas. I wouldn't judge a person too hard for wearing fur, unless it was over the top and mean spirited. Like a fox jacket with the tail in the back and fox heads on the shoulder, that's just fucked.
But from what I see , faux fur isn't that bad is it?
@Armourdillo minks are also used holistically, their fat is rendered for oil and the rest is used for animal feed or fertiliser.
I haven’t said that I’m a fan nor a wearer of fur
Oh okay. I mean yeah there tons of things I dont know and I'm sure my opinion can change as I learn about them. But I guess it's the human in me that has double standards and just isn't that into fur.
What's your opinion on shark fin soup? The sharks they kill for the fins, they actually dump back into the ocean and ultimately they die because they can swim correctly or they bleed out. Even though animals are killed every day for meat, I still find this fucked up. It's hypocritical, but that's the human in me too.
@Armourdillo I’m against any kind of animal product that’s produced inhumanely or without respect and empathy, shark fin soup has nothing of that at all and should be abolished
I agree with you.
fur and leather often wear in cold weather but fur is expensive and not suitable for rain while leather is better, cheaper and fit for rain and cold weather as long as it's common in use so it's more socially acceptable
Do you mean fur as in like real bear fur or something, or a fur suit
For both fur and leather an animal is skinned. They’re both real animal skins
I'd would guess it's because leather mostly comes from cows which are killed mainly for their meat.
A lot of fur on the other hand if from animals that aren't eaten e. g. Foxes, minx, etc etc
leather is excess cow, its the stuff we dont use when he kill them for meat
fur doesn't belong to any creature we kill for food
It is acceptable to wear fur. The extremists who don't like fur also don't like leather.
Fur looks cute on hoods of parkas, but like a whole fur coat is a bit much
I don't even like fur, but I like leather.
Maybe has to do with what people like more vs what's acceptable.
Generally trends and popular opinion is due to what people like AND what they morally object to
Once fur is banned. Leather will be next. There is simply a queue. That's all
I dont think its less accepted. I think people think fur is more overdone.
I see a dead animal that needs to be buried or skinned and eaten.
You can wear fur, the only people who care about either are PETA and it's crazy followers
Leather is hot fur is not 😂 remember that rhyme and you'll be all goood
Though a fat guy in a leather jacket is also not.
Damn got me there 😂
I don't know. Fur seems nice. Like those fur hats they make out a beavers.
Doesn’t it seem nicer still on a beaver?
Yes, but at the same time:
FUZZY!!! So fuzzy!
And dead 😛
Leather is from animals that are eaten for food where as fur the animals are killed for the fur...
Rabbits are eaten and their fur is used, but it’s still frowned upon to wear their skin?
How many bunnies does it take to make a coat!!! Poor things don't have much meat at all!!!
Cows are killed for more than their skin so it's ok.
Fur animals are only killed for fur.
Personally I don't have a problem with either of them.
Fur is gaudy, leather is a little more understated.
The same reason you can kill babies inside the mother. Leather doesn't look like life. Fur does.
Leather depicts grunge n other subcultures so far thats setting a trend simultaneously with hard rock music
Fur till now are jus an expensive accessory
If you can eat you can wear it as far as I'm concerned
Maybe because it comes from cows that were not killed just for their skin
I'm not trendsetter
I'm just ordinary shopstopper😘
Cause they see the fur I guess but leather don’t at least most don’t.
Because leather is awesome. Fur gets in your nose and iches
Because cows are not hunting for and there are tons of cows running around
Because the animals killed for further or endangered. If you want a raccoon jacket, go ahead
Mink, foxes and rabbits are no more endangered than cattle is
Go for it then. I mean those products are illegal. Buy it if it makes. you happy.
I'm a firm believer of expercing how things are made because it makes me appreciate them more. For instance, I'm a meat eater, I don't think it's wrong, so I took part on killing a chicken, plucking the feathers, cleaning it and what not. It's really tough and made me really sad, but it made me appreciate the meat that I eat and horrifies me of food waste.
I have a similar attitude to animal products in clothing, I don't weather related leather or fur because and I won't until I skin and animal and prepare the skin as material.
That being said, I personally don't like the look of furs, but leather can be pretty cool.
They aren’t illegal, and I haven’t at any point given my position on choosing to wear fur - just pointed out the illogical nature of endangerment being your only point
OH LOL, I made a typo, illegal was supposed to be legal, sorry about that.
And yea, is you sound you time worrkying about illogical arguments humans make, you're not gonna have fun. And when I say "you" I should specify that I don't mean you personally. I mean anyone reading it who may want to wear fur.
I'm not fishing to argue, I was just giving my opinion. If the animal isn't endangered and you want it's fur ("you" as in whoever wants it's fur not you personally) go ahead and skin the little fucker. But if it's an endangered animal, wouldn't agree we should leave either alone? I don't think we should kill a species for bags or jackets.
Kill off a species*
life's full of double standards
Furry animals are cuter then non furry animals.
I don't know i agree it is arbitrary and dumb
Both are disgusting to wear if they're real.
That's a good question!
I thing neither are acceptable
Because cows aren't cute.
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