They really are! I am not talking the patchie stuff, but like the actual freaking beard. A clean bearded intellectual nerdy man screams providerrrr
Top it off with him being bigger than me. Ooooh, dangggg 😌😌😌
Anyways, do you think men with beards are hot? 🥴
I don't have the ability to identify if males are hot or not. My brain basically just judges if I can kick their ass or not, and because of that I sort of judge what a woman might think based off that.
But what you say does make sense to me and I believe you. I mean some jobs make men cut their facial hair off because it's too masculine and they want their servants looking like prepubescent boys while some cultures demand we grow that out because they want their men looking like men. Just looking at it from a nature sort of view, we're sexually dimorphic like that for reasons. I like those tits and that chubby ass that giggles when I slap it around.
Makes me wonder about genetic lines that can't grow facial hair... Some Chinese and Native Americans for instance. I mean they do once they're mixed, but purebreds just don't grow it at all. Or like Japanese for instance... the Samurai class could grow facial hair, but why do so many of the servent class couldn't naturally grow hair. I guess that's a Youman-Jouman argument...
But yeah, if we're different like that in a way, wouldn't the opposite gender be attracted to those differences? Makes sense to me.
You're probably not on the pill. Women on the pill find more effeminate looking men attractive. Women off the pill tend to find more stereotypically masculine men attractive. Beards are a stereotypically masculine trait.
Huh? 😂
Ooooh, I see. lol
There are places in this world where men cannot grow beards because it's too hot to grow them and yet they tend to fuck a lot making them overpopulated so that has nothing to do with being masculine. Only with the West is making that stereotype. They aren't really hardwired to find men with beard attractive but more of a social construct. It's the same in Asian countries where they think whiter is more beautiful.
@Aiko_E_Lara That's a fair point, but I'm not sure if it pertains. Asian men, for example, don't grow really thick facial hair (or much body hair in general), but they're highly prolific accounting for something like 40% of the global population. That said I don't know if there's any research into whether or not Asian women also (off pill) also have a higher attraction for longer facial hair. It may just be a matter of degree. For example all the famous Asians I can think of are depicted with some facial hair. Ie Sun Tzu, Laozi, Dong Zhonshu, Gaozi, Zhang Jue, Ge Hong, and Sun Bin are all depicted as having facial hair, albeit less than their Scandinavian counterparts. I presume a good study would be to determine if Asian women prefer Asian men with more or less facial hair/ and or if it also denotes masculinity. My presumption would be yes, just based on biology.
If it's exactly based on biology then that would apply in all cultures because we humans share the same DNA. I'm not even just talking about Asian man but there are also Pacific Islanders, native Americans including those in South America, Africans, Australian aboriginals, etc. So that just really means beards are just a western trend. And yes even though indigenous people can grow beards, they do prefer to shave it and even their leaders do it. They don't live in environment where they can just chill with their beards since they live in such hot or tropical climates which is also another reason why they don't grow thicker beards like Europeans and Asians from the northern parts do.
I forgot to include Malays as well which also makes up a fair amount of the population.
Interesting theory... I've always liked stubble rather than smooth or bearded. I've always liked a masculine man look. But beards no. And I've been on contraception hormones a long time. However I been off hormones now for a year and although I still don't like full or bushy beards I am slowly becoming more open to them. A little. If it suits the man and looks well groomed. So you might be right...
@Crimsyjo Really interesting quote from www.psychologytoday.com/.../do-women-really-prefer-men-with-beards
"The authors did not find that women with “greater reproductive ambition” preferred beards when considering long-term relationships. Although when they included women's current relationship status, both single and married women who wanted children found beards more attractive than women who did not want children.
They also noted that the preference for a clean shave was positively linked with reproductive ambition among women who were single, with married women exhibiting a negative association with reproductive ambition."
@Aiko_E_Lara Caucasians have the most hair, but Africans aren't far behind. Unfortunately I couldn't find any great interracial information of female facial hair preference.
www.psychologytoday.com/.../do-women-really-prefer-men-with-beards
Just says the majority, but all the studies were conducted in European countries. Not sure if the actual article gives an ethnic breakdown.
I'm not ignoring the fact there are a lot of women who like facial hair on men but what I'm still saying is that it's not a biological thing but a social construct. I know a lot of people in Asia, Southeast Asia or even in Africa can grow beard. Even I can do it (You can see I have short hair growing in my pic) but it's a cultural thing because there are cultures where they find beards dirty also because it's too hot and even humid to grow them in such environment which is why they shave and it had been going on for thousands of years long before we were globalized.
@Aiko_E_Lara you'd have to account for my earlier statement that all of the popular Asians of antiquity from scholars, military generals, and political leaders are depicted as having facial hair. I presume it'd be a matter of degree. Maybe for Asian women a full beard would be off-putting as appearing unkempt, but well-groomed moustache and goatee (as depicted in most of the drawings) would be more attractive. I'm aware of no research either way. That said I do believe that attraction triggers are hard-wired in us and thus what attracts us is likely due to some evolutionary pressure. It's why men like wide hips and full breasts, and women like muscles and height/
That's because it is the standard today and what they made the definition of masculinity since Europeans are the ones who conquered and influenced the world (and how they got so powerful have nothing to do with their beards either but due to their already high population and their harsher/colder climate pushing them to keep advancing in technology to survive)
Men liking bigger butts and boobs happens universally unlike beads because I have said, not every region of people that can chill with beards without breaking a sweat. Bigger boobs and butts and being curvy is an indication that the woman is healthy and fertil and have the body capable of racing their offsprings. That is the same for men being muscular and tall being an indicator that he can hunt to provide and fight to protect which what I can agree on but beards are just aesthetic beauty the same way how we see girls with long hair and girls with short hair it's considered unattractive which is a social construct.
Guys also used to have long hair and even kings had long hair but now it is considered a feminine trait. BTS may look feminine by today's standards but it also got me thinking that someday, that would probably be the new norm like it would probably be the 1700s all over again when men wear powdered wigs, makeup and skirts/dresses when it was considered very masculine that time.
*raising their offsprings
@Aiko_E_Lara Beards are quite clearly a masculine trait. "They are a sexually dimorphic androgen-dependent secondary sexual trait in humans". Higher testosterone is associated with more facial hair in all ethnic groups, just to varying degrees.
https://youtu.be/VOochquOIoo?si=_rGO1_-x5Uf2RRlm these guys are called soy boys despite having beards. The soy boy face meme. Guys will have testosterone so low that they can't grow beards anymore are critical but you can have testosterone just low enough to be considered a soy boy but that doesn't remove your beard. If you want to speak for all ethnic groups then why is it that beards in our culture is considered dirty and messy? It's the same for the ancient Egyptians since it is such a hot country. Specially if you're living in a humid place where are you sweat and it can accumulate in your beard causing skin irritation. It's just made for ornament with no real purpose like foreskins. For your information, people hard start shaving their beard 100,000 years ago so it's that long. www.google.com/search And since it was so difficult to shave back then, it was like a passion and it takes a real man to do it. Also, because shaving is also a thing, a lot of men refer shaved women despite women being naturally hairy.
@Aiko_E_Lara having a beard doesn't necessarily mean you'll be masculine, but having a beard is a masculine trait. People have been shaving forever, no qualms with that. My question goes back to my original statement. It may be the case that the majority of Asian peoples shaved for a long period of time. Why is it then that all of the famous ones from antiquity "Ie Sun Tzu, Laozi, Dong Zhonshu, Gaozi, Zhang Jue, Ge Hong, and Sun Bin" are depicted with facial hair?
As I have said because youve made it into a trait. That's a western theater and a social construct as I have explained because it doesn't serve much biological purpose. If you're giving examples using those people (people living in the Northern parts of East Asia where understandably they dont sweat) which is who you like to cherry pick, then I'm giving examples like how people did start shaving from way back. Even ancient Egyptian and Mayan kings do it. King Ramses and King K'inich for example. They may just not be more popular world wide because they aren't just as globalized like China is not because of the beard. I also gave another example of how standards changed like men having long hair used to be very masculine just like the kings and those who had short hair were considered slaves, captured enemies or inmates. Now having long hair is considered feminine. That's how standards changed. So with the fact that there had been cultural differences about beards, that just indicates it's a social construct. Those people you're calling "famous" is there famous but have nothing to do with their beards
@Aiko_E_Lara I always admire your dedication to certain topics. You haven’t changed a bit. 😂💜
@SweetJoyGirl lol I only do it when I have the time to do it. I haven't done this in a long time though. And of course I can't let this wonderful thoughts go to waste 🤗
@Aiko_E_Lara The pharaohs didn't have beards, after a certain period, but they wore fake ones and even built them into their sarcophagi. "Although beards weren't the norm for men at that time in ancient Egypt, they were associated with the gods. Pharaohs, regardless of their gender, wore the beards for this exact purpose. Although they were for the most part males, there were occasional female pharaohs, too. The beards typically were braided in a tight manner -- a style that was thought to be especially godly. Hair from goats was usually the main ingredient in these beards, which usually were thin at the top and somewhat broader farther down. Pharaohs typically put their false beards on for ceremonies, with the aim to express their importance and divine ranking." King Ramses II statue even had the beard. classroom.synonym.com/...ians-used-wear-15532.html
@Aiko_E_Lara lmao 😂🤗
And if they are wearing a fake ones, that certainly just means it has just been an ornament all along just like makeups which doesn't really serve much of a biological purpose. That is also the same as why people wear accessories to they're likings.
Which is exactly why it's an optional thing and there's still a lot of civilizations or shave. But the instead wear animal feathers, tusks, face paints, etc. to attract women.
*Civilizations who shave
@Aiko_E_Lara why do you think the men want to attract women, and why do you think the women are attracted to these men?
Because theyre straight? It's not rocket science
@Aiko_E_Lara biology is why.
It's just the fact that theyre male and female. Biology maybe why which is not all about just beards. As I've already said, there are many cultures where they dont like beards and it also turns off women.
@Aiko_E_Lara Well. This was a fun conversation, but I think we're spinning in the mud here. I'll catch you on the next one.
Actually, there are still more points youve missed and only cherry pick on the ones you think you can debunk. Such as the 1700s example I've been talking about, the other cultures shaving and objecting having beards and so on. While i dont deny that there are culture where beards are attractive, i also can't ignore those that consider them nasty. you're just trying to project your culture into others like supremacists would. Your trends are not superior. Speaking of leaders, like how you just gave those bearded leaders as examples, take a look at the powerful leaders now like Trump, Putin and Jinping. They do shave their beards but don't lose their power.
Always preferred bearded masculine men, first time on the pill and still got a bearded masculine one so i think this is a myth.
oh yesss... if it is groom well and depends on the style!
Agreed!
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Oh, absolutely! There’s something undeniably attractive about a well-groomed beard. It can add a touch of ruggedness and sophistication. Plus, bearded guys do have that distinguished, provider vibe you’re talking about. It’s like they’ve mastered the balance between looking tough and intelligent. Totally gets me every time! 🤩 What types of beards do you find the most attractive?
so guys without beards look less like providers?
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On the right person with the right face shape and style it is fine , the academic look you refer to is okey..
Personally , I'd hate having on that hair on my face , but I've seen some that look good for sure , and clean of course is a MUST , if it looks sloppy I hate it.
You like beards? it proves that you not a lesbian, here goku and vegeta with beards. :)
https://www.youtube.com/embed/aMVE9UqR55A😂😂😂
What does sexual orientation have to do with that? If that's a the case, how come Asian countries her highly populated and yet beards aren't really big on their culture? That means Asian girls from Asia are lesbians? That's more of a western trend than it's hardwired on women's brain.
*Are Highly populated
You thinking too hard about it, yet missing the point, I said it half-joking but I would explain that anyway. Beards are very masculine trait, as do big muscles and as do tallness, so if a woman like men with beards it prove that she not lesbian or in other words is shows that she like masculine men and not feminine men. I even given as example Goku, who is very masculine even without beard, he tall, muscular and good at fighting, but with beard he looks even more masculine. You trying to deny that beards are masculine trait? men grow beards, women don't, therefore it clearly a masculine trait. Bishonen is a popular trope in asia, an androgynous or feminine man, I think that Asians tend to be the most feminine men on earth, if that what you wanted to hear. Look at BTS, they don't try to deny how feminine they are, so they even wear pink. Asian countries her highly populated? not really, it only china, which is a big country territory-wise, africa is the most populated place when it comes to how many children they have, japan is literally dying out because of lack of children.
https://allthetropes.org/wiki/Bishonen
www.washingtonpost.com/.../
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsX3ATc3FbA
The point is very clear that you're misinformed about that. If you think I'm thinking too hard, that's not even rocket science. That is a stereotype westerners make. That's a social construct not biological. I can agree with a tallness and being muscles yes because they serve biological purpose like being strong and talking make you fight and protect someone more efficiently which became a universal masculinity trait to all cultures. Beards are just aesthetic and if that were true, all cultures would've made that a stereotype. I have no problems with women liking masculine men even preferring beards for men but you are definitely misinformed about beards = masculine. And no I'm not just referring to the Asian culture now but their culture from even way back then. Back then when Japan was really populated and when Chinas population kept rising. Yes the BTS may look feminine by today's standards but it also got me thinking that this could probably be the 1700s all over again when men wear powdered wigs, makeup and skirts/dresses when it was considered very masculine that time. And I'm not only limiting the examples to Asians but we also have native North and South Americans, Africans, Pacific Islanders and Malays who do shave their beards. Perhaps you would also consider that most people did live in the warmer parts back then and do shave because they don't cannot really chill with their beards in such high climates and it seems unhygienic to have sweat all over it. Also why are you even trying so hard ironically well talking about how I am thinking so hard as if it's a problem.
Also for your information pink used to be a masculine color but it was just swap not because pink look feminine but rather a complicated reason.
Beards are not just aesthetic, Dr. David Carrier says that they evolved to protect men from a punch in the face, obviously big beards are better at that. Tallness and big muscles are masculine not only because they useful, they masculine because men tend to be naturally taller and more muscular than women, now some feminist might jump and say but women can get more muscular with training, well yea, but men too, and men's potential is much higher. Beards are biological and not social construct, you know how hard it was to shave in the past? without modern equipment? but the pink clothes are social construct as people are not born or grown clothes, humans used to walk around naked in the distant past.
www.altmetric.com/.../
https://www.worlddata.info/average-bodyheight.php
It's pretty much similar with hair how long hair used to be masculine because men had long hair and even kings had long hair but now it is considered feminine. And if beards really are used to protect men from getting punched in the face, it doesn't really serve much purpose especially if you are from the south where your beards aren't as thick as the Europeans. It is biologically useless an article said. https://youtu.be/ZVwXklYu-aU?si=BH8JXG-BdfyQWEz6 But of course there are theories just like what you said about it protecting their faces from punches. A theory doesn't make it a fact. Same goes as the way we have foreskins unlike muscles which are much more handy than beards. Maybe it's only almost impossible to shave back then if you're talking about the Neanderthals or when humans haven't invented sharp weapons yet. And you're right it is very hard to shave it back then and it took a real man to do it. https://youtu.be/Am7uIOSxSH4?si=urLrPq7FqLJoan2u It can also indicate that if a guy shaved, it means he's well equipped. If you're living in a hot country where you can sweat all day with a beard, it can irritate your skin and can I come with bacteria there which is not really hygienic. And that's why ancient Egyptians shave.
But actually people do shaved 100,000 years ago. https://youtu.be/l8RaeZqJVsg?si=hWAU8yzY_ItIKLVU according to Google AI overview as well. Your logic is like saying, because our teeth aren't sharp like carnivorous, we are not supposed to eat meat except for the fact that we developed tools to cook them to our liking. That involves the same principle. We may grow beards but we also evolved to shave. I guess I can use that very reason why a lot of men like shaved girls too even though they are supposed to be hairy down there.
Well men not sharp teeth and abillity to it raw meat is common agreement of vegans for stopping eating meat. As for grown women being naturally hairy down there, yea I heared women calling men who want women shaved down there pedos, beards are also trait not only of males, but of grown men.
Except most people are not vegans. We evolved with tools and fire just like how obsedian knives are tools and also used to shave. You may have heard of women saying that to men wanting shaved pussies but that doesn't really stop a lot of men from having that preferences. I can also tell you that it is also in our culture that women here say beards are gross and dirty. But does that exactly stop you from growing your beard? So if our beauty standards are all thesame and we tend to only get attracted to what our primal forms look like, I'm pretty sure you yourself don't really find the first homosapiens attractive when that's how we are supposed to look like.
By the way my hair example still stands. Men used to have long hair as I have said and now it's considered feminine. Men with short hair before were considered slaves or inmates. Why is that? Because society changes their standards.
Depends on the face and style, if they are handsome and yeah they are hot😂😂
But some guys just look like homeless with beard
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I’ve read that beards are the male push up bra 😂🤣 they are so itchy though. I can’t grow it past a length or it drives my skin crazy.
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Some yes they need to have the right face for it to match the beard eyes not much of a fan of guys with beards but av seen some that are nice I do like stubble on men they have to have the right features
m my ex was into beards too... lol
for whatever reason
They are hot. 😂😂😂
too hot for the summer? yeah... I imagine, lol
Something like this?
It doesn’t have to be exactly like that, but yea, that is hot. lol 😂
As a man with a full beard, I can tell you I do get a lot of compliments. Ironically though, I'm bisexual, and find clean shaven men more attractive.
Yeah they can be but I love a guy who is good looking enough to pull off both a beard and the shaved look.
Not me…I prefer guys with zero facial hair. I don’t like a scruffy beard or mustache in the way either when I wanna kiss them.
Everyone has their preference though! I just personally find guys with beards unattractive, I prefer clean shaven men all the way
Definitely super hot, plus there are other advantages to having a beard in my opinion too 😏
Ummmm... one can only imagine. 🤔
Yeah, I think the vast majority of men look so much more attractive with a good beard
Big fan! My wife loves it when i grow a long one for winter
Because the modern Man nowadays are so weak that any sign of masculinity will attract women. They no longer have muscle, they no longer in shape, they no longer can provide for women, but at least they can grow a beard.
personally really hate facial especially full viking bears
Some look good with it but most do not in my opinion
50/50. Some guys look really good in beards and other guys just look like try hards.
Not for me.
It can suit some guys, like Harshad Chopra
Let’s just say I’ve gotten more tail w a beard as opposed to not having a beard. Still maintain my military, faded haircut w a beard.
I had a kind of a long beard, but not too long at one time with the short haircut. I got a lot of attention and a lot of looks.
I mean it depends on the dude and how well he takes care of it.
White guys are all hot basically with it without
Oh so that's why you think beards are hot because they scream provider?
I'm about to shave this silly thing off, the weather's been too humid
It depends on a man’s features ig? If he has a weak jawline it helps mask it and adds attractiveness in my opinion
They are usually hiding something like no chin
Yess beards are super hot 🔥
My mom doesn't like them, but, that's just my mom. Different girls, like different things, right?
Nope. Not for me. Thoughts I keep to myself.
Well I'm not gay but that's what they say.
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I like beards yeah.
Nope. Hairy men have never been for me.
No. Hot men with beards are hot.
Being a tall bearded man I would hope so
I can see it, but I won't grow a big one.
I like my 5 o'clock shadows
No into guys, so no I do not.
I prefer clean shaven.
I think they look nice
I think women with daddy issues like it more
Super hot! 😏
Beardo is so 2020.
They can be
Mostly bearded men have high sex f
Some can be.
Not my things
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Not long beards
Yess
No I don't.
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