Do you seriously think that because you say something that somehow makes it true?

[msc545]

I keep asking people on here to provide evidence for some improbable thing they have said, and getting a response wherein they simply repeat what they originally said, or reference a Youtube video, or worst of all, say "It is true and you can tell because I said it." What kind of incredulous bullshit is this?

[Anonymous]

If you disagree with someone's opinion then the burden I'd upon you to prove them wrong with evidence or ignore it.

For instance a special intrest group can fund statistics, scientific studies, surveys and polls to prove just about anything they want, 79% of people know this to be true.

[msc545]

No. The burden is on the person who makes the initial assertion without evidence or with poor evidence, like a YouTube video.

[Opinion Owner]

No it's on you if you say they are wrong

[msc545]

True although if they did not provide evidence that they were right to begin with then the burden reverts to them.

[Opinion Owner]

No it's up to you to accept their view point or disprove it. Did Galileo demand proof that the sun revolves around the earth or did he prove thd opposite to very true?

[goaded]

There's a teapot orbiting Jupiter. I'm sure of it. Do you accept that?

[Opinion Owner]

@goaded Jupiter is orbited by numerous objects, most notably its 95 known moons. These moons include the four largest, known as the Galilean moons (Io, Europa, Ganymede, and Callisto), as well as many smaller moons and even a few groups of moons like the Amalthea and Thebe groups. Additionally, Jupiter is surrounded by faint rings composed of dust and debris.

[goaded]

And you agree that there's a teapot orbiting Jupiter?

[msc545]

no. Argue all you want, but if you fail to provide evidence, I will ask you for it, and you need to provide it. I am not going to try to disprove a negative.

[Opinion Owner]

@goaded there may very well be a teapot orbiting Jupiter, how does one disprove or prove it unless one goes to Jupiter.

[msc545]

So now you are doing what I initially said, asking the original person for evidence. Previously, you said the recipient had to provide evidence he was wrong, yet when Goaded presented you with an absurd proposition, you responded by asking him for proof or a method of proof. You cannot have it both ways.

[Opinion Owner]

Not so. If you read again. For all I know there is a teapot orbiting Jupiter

[msc545]

That is a cheap way of trying to get out of the flaws and what you originally said. Try again.

[Opinion Owner]

Not so. I suppose I should demand you prove that I am trying to get out of whatever you think I am trying to get out of.

[msc545]

You wrote what you wrote. A blank denial "not so" does not alter that.

[Amy10223]

No, but that is exactly what the MAGA people do when they listen to Trump lie enough; they believe him.

[DryGermanGuy]

That’s the American way! To have no clue about a topic in the first place but double down on it with confidence. Case in point: User NYCincest1976 who lectured me about incest being legal in Germany even when I sent him the official DoJ links to our actual laws. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[msc545]

I've had the same problem with him when he asserted that "everything I say is true and accurate" when I asked him for evidence for something he said that was obviously untrue. He expects that when he says something, it will be regarded as true, and he is absolutely intransigent about this, having asserted this to me multiple times...

[goaded]

Even basic physics is wrong if he's said something about it that's not true. My life is much better since I blocked him and the other two trolls.

[DryGermanGuy]

Yeah, I had to block him too, after I realized he can’t debate like an adult, but is either a full-blown troll or a deranged weirdo.

[msc545]

No, just a very stubborn guy with a very bad case of Dunning-Kruger syndrome. He literally does not know what he doesn't know, and won't admit or even consider the truth when anyone tells him.

[beefcakebradybatson]

That's why America is imploding, DryGermanGuy!!!

[beefcakebradybatson]

Who dat, DryGermanGuy?

[goaded]

No. There has to be evidence. It shouldn't have to be said, but in this place it does: the evidence has to back up the claim. (There have been so many cases where supposed evidence for something on here literally contradicts it.)

[msc545]

There are several people on here that post what appear to be lies, and when asked for evidence, they cannot produce it and try hard to deflect their way out of it...

[goaded]

"Girl's Behavior"? @GirlsAskGuys

[Sevenpointfive]

i don't like the breadcrumb society that we've created. you create a maze without end.

[goaded]

@Sevenpointfive Huh?

[Sevenpointfive]

blackmailed upon blackmailed

[exitseven]

YEs, everyone know that I never lie. When I say something, you can take it to the bank.

[msc545]

Except you are often wrong so the bank will not accept it.

[exitseven]

name one time when I was wrong.

[msc545]

Do you really expect me to go through your many assertions where you were wrong here?

[exitseven]

no, just find one. If you can.

[msc545]

Your multiple statements that Trump is not breaking the law are demonstrably wrong

[exitseven]

Where was I ever in error about that?

[msc545]

Read what I just said.

[goaded]

"name one time when I was wrong" Tricky to pick just one.

The price of electric car batteries is a recent one.

[exitseven]

@msc545 for the last four years I have told you that Biden had mush for brains. You insisted that there is no way I could know that because I am not a mental health professional like you.
Which one of us were right?

[exitseven]

@goaded I believe I said between 20- 30 K
www.recurrentauto.com/.../tesla-battery-replacement-costs

[goaded]

You really said: "The batteries cost between 15 and 20 thousand dollars and the old batteries are difficult to recycle and costs between 1 and 2 thousand dollars to recycle them.".

The economy & the ecology are NOT natural rivals. We could advance the economy through green policies. Why don't we? Is ANY part of the image false? ↗

You can buy a whole electric car for less than $20,000.

[exitseven]

@goaded www.recurrentauto.com/.../tesla-battery-replacement-costs

[msc545]

I was. You still do not know what you are talking about.

[goaded]

How much are Rolls Royce cars? Is that how much cars cost?

[exitseven]

@msc545 You sure about that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdOfiPyY87I

[goaded]

Batteries cost less than $2,500, dealers over-charge you.

"The cost to replace a Chevy Volt battery varies. Dealerships might charge up to $20,000. Online parts can cost around $2,500. Overall, replacement costs range from $3,400 to $34,000. On average, you can expect to pay about $9,210 to $9,335, with labor costs between $475 and $599."
poweringautos.com/.../

"The batteries cost between 15 and 20 thousand dollars" is a recent case where you are clearly wrong.

[msc545]

@exitseven I have told you repeatedly that you are not qualified to make neuro diagnoses - I AM. This is not dementia.

[exitseven]

@msc545 it is age defined mental decline.

[msc545]

No, it's not that either. Stop guessing.

[exitseven]

@msc545 He is sharp as a tack and can run circles around anyone.

[msc545]

not that either But at least he does not have anything really serious, like a personality disorder.

[DryGermanGuy]

@exitseven
Your constantly wrong about the funding of NATO and the fantasies that Germany and other EU countries would owe the United States money. Even after I proved to you that Germany and the United States pay literally the same amount of funding.

[goaded]

@exitseven You understand crypto is a scam, right? Trump's in big time. So is it good, or is it bad?

www.bloomberg.com/.../how-the-trump-family-invests-in-crypto-from-world-liberty-to-memecoins-to-nfts

[msc545]

except that he does.

[exitseven]

@goaded I would like a car that actually has wheels.

[goaded]

Is crypto good, or is it bad?

[exitseven]

@goaded www.recurrentauto.com/.../tesla-battery-replacement-costs this is for a Tesla the most popular EV

[exitseven]

@goaded crypto currency is a scam. Itis one of the few things that I disagree with President Trump about. When we talked about it he said that he did not want to be the only billionaire that did not make a killing in crypto. I told him that his ego would someday get him into trouble.

[goaded]

What something costs the consumer rarely has much to do with the cost of producing it. $15,000 is wildly expensive for an EV battery and obviously doesn't represent the cost of producing one.

I already gave an example of a replacement battery costing a couple of thousand to the consumer, here's another.

"A concrete example involves a 2017 Volvo S90 hybrid. If its battery fails after three years, a replacement could cost around $4,500 at a dealer. However, a certified technician may offer a refurbished battery for about $3,500, making it a worthwhile consideration for budget-conscious owners."
poweringautos.com/.../

At least you disagree with Trump on something. There's hope for you yet!

[Anonymous]

Only arrogant people think that.