I started using adderall more. My doctor started me on a low dosage but then upped me to two extended release of 30mg everyday. It helps me with my studies dramatically but I noticed since that upped dosage my heart rate was cruising really high. I do have ADD and I won't succeed without the medication. I've attempted it with my best efforts before and failed. I could get away with not using it if my major was something easier but it's needed for me as an engineering student.
That high spike was when I was training today but for 7 hours today my heart rate has been over 100 beats per minute which is scary.
I used to be able to have a resting heart rate of 50 before this. It was around 60 to 70 on steroids too before you guys try and give me shit. I'm not going to get back on until I handle this issue.
If you are on a bulking phase, you need to get off that shit, like, yesterday. Do you not know that amphetamine is a *directly* catabolic drug? That's been known since the '70's.
This was the first study to elucidate the connection: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/953008 "Amphetamine INHIBITS PROTEIN SYNTHESIS by interfering with initiation through a step related to formation of the mRNA ribosome complex." You know what "inhibits protein synthesis" means, right? Read 'em and weep, kid.
If you are SIMULTANEOUSLY taking supraphysiological AAS doses *AND* amphetamine drugs, then, you are stupid. You might be as stupid as that fucking stupid idiot Zyzz. Who was so stupid that he is now dead. I mean, if you are doing that... • You are taking anabolic and catabolic drugs simultaneously. Push and pull at the same time. • High dose AAS will increase the mass of yr heart's left ventricle, cause concentric myocardial hypertrophy, and fuck yr cholesterol profile. • At the same time, amphetamines can cause arterial hypertension (high blood pressure) and, in combination with the above, prothrombotic (clotting) effects. • Put all that shit together, and you have a recipe for a fucking heart attack. Do you want a fucking heart attack? Do you?
What the fuck?
***IF*** you have been taking AAS + amphetamines at the same time... Go get a lipid panel done, NOW. Pay attention especially to the HDL versus LDL cholesterol numbers. Seriously, go to the doctor TODAY, get a script for the lab work, and see if you can get into the lab TODAY. If possible, just to be safe, get tested for endothelial function. See if yr doc will send you for an EndoPAT test and/or a %FMD test with BAUI (google these things if you don't know what they are). If these tests come back abnormal, then, I just saved yr life. If they don't... lay off the fucking combo, before they do.
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You can use the amphetamines during a fasting/cutting phase. There are studies to show that they are no more catabolic than normal dieting/fasting. Like this one: www.bio.unipd.it/bam/PDF/9-2/99392Duarte.pdf
Also, DO NOT take amphetamines every day for a long time, or they will soon become useless (and, if you are insulin sensitive, they might even cause hypoglycemia or carb cravings). Take AT LEAST 1-2 days per week off of them, and AT LEAST 1-2 weeks completely off every 2 months.
Will give you MHO. Lipids are fine and in check. I'm cruising at 250mg EW of test and stay on the higher average. I taper on and off the amphetamines.. do not take on weekends. Aware of the catabolic effects in general but was unaware of the inhibition of protein synthesis.. Wanted to go a lean bulk of nandrolone decanoate and 750mg test. Once I get my heart rate in check.
If Adderall is making yr heart go crazy, you may want to look into Vyvanse.
Adderall is a mixture of D- and L-amphetamine; the L-isomer is the source of the jitters and tachycardia for many people. (I can't find any sources that distinguish between the two when it comes to protein synthesis -- it's *possible* there's a difference, since muscle proteins are definitely chiral, but I don't think anyone has bothered to study this because they would never ever in a million years get a research grant for it.)
Vyvanse is D-amphetamine only. It's hooked up to leucine, which has to be removed by stomach acid (this is an anti-abuse mechanism -- you can't shoot, plug or snort Vyvanse, unlike regular D-amphetamine). Also, Vyvanse is brand-name only, so, quality is assured. (Generic amphetamine drugs tend to be shitty, because they use shitty bonding agents that don't deliver with consistent bioavailability. This is one type of drug where you should ALWAYS go brand-name.)
find Vyvanse to be a "smoother" experience than Adderall -- and certainly less jittery -- so, if yr heart rate is in the triple digits, you may want to consider making the switch.
Honestly, if you are using these pills to STUDY, then, you will probably find that Vyvanse is WAY better -- even at a lower equivalent dosage. (If you are using them to DO THINGS -- like, if you're an investment banker making a powerpoint for 40 hours in a row -- then, adderall is yr new bae.) 60 mgs/day of adderall is a shitload, dude. Frankly, I'm surprised yr doc didn't try to switch you to Vyvanse before firebombing you with a dosage like that. (Someone yr age? If I was the doc, I'd be giving the side-eye and assuming the guy was gna be selling half of it to his classmates.)
Vyvanse has downloadable coupons that reduce the co-pay to $30 per prescription for 30 pills, regardless of the dosage (and you can keep using a new coupon over and over again, even though you technically aren't supposed to).
Will check it out. I wouldn't think a standard HRT dose of testosterone would raise my resting heart rate dramatically. Today I've been off the adderall and I'm still in the 80s just walking around. I also have never done supraphysiological doses on adderall. Always get bloods. Cmon give me a little credit here lol.
At that dosage, I'm not surprised to see a resting heart rate around thereabouts.
You can flush it out of yr system faster by taking a megadose of vitamin C (3-5 grams = 3000-5000 mg), if you want. Should cut the active duration in half. Just don't go on a hot date until you know exactly how much flatulence you'll get from that much vitamin C.
Fyi, you can extend the duration of any amphetamine drug about 50 percent by drinking a solution of baking soda in water every 1-2 hours and not drinking anything acidic (no diet sodas etc). Baking soda is fucking nasty, but, you can extend the effective duration of a Vyvanse pill to about 18-22 hours, and/or Adderall to about 16-20 hours.
I know to anyone who hears my heart rate will start to panic and think I'm freaking out. Then when anyone tells me if my heart rate is fine they end up confused. XD
I like it a lot. I'm on 27 mg & any higher makes me grouchy as. As for crashes, nothing major. At the very end of the day I sometimes get a low mood.. but the only other thing is in the evenings I have zero motivation, whereas any other time of the day, I'm very motivated.
I'm on Vyvanse, and I have the same issue. I've been medicated for about 7ish years, and most pills have raised my rhb, but never to more than low 80s.
I wouldn't be too worried about this tho because it seems like a fairly new problem. Your body might just be adjusting to the new medication, but if it keeps up for more than four-ish days, I'd go see a doctor.
It seems like a normal enough happening so you shouldn't be worried that its just something happening to you.
A tip tho, one ADD to another: don't take the pills on the weekend, it helps to relax the system and slow down any tolerance that might build up, kind of like cycling pre-workout and steroids.
All I am going to say is the faster the heart beat the greater risk of a heart failure. My heart rate usually doesn't exceed 85bpm even in exercise. Normally I am around 70bpm. My advice is get off the medicine. I am an engineering student as well and sometimes I do see I have some issues focusing but I keep my eyes on the goal of getting As and caffeine works great too. Energy drinks or some soda is my go to before class to stay alert and focused. Those Add medicines are dangerous and at your age you shouldn't Be on them. Those are what little kids take when they have focus issues. They aren't intended for lifetime use. Just some helpful words of advice
-Tried going to a shrink to get prescription -Lied and BSed my way through shitty life stories about "not being able to focus" -The shrink I think saw right through it -Didn't get prescription -Awfukbye. gif
I really need to find a sketchy af, unethical shrink to write me a script for addy. My fucked up dating life is making it kinda hard to focus at work ugh.
I don't take it but it sounds like the training while being on that is having an effect that is making your heart rate rise, I mean that's the only conclusion I can come up with.
that says something about society if people need to take drugs just to get through exams. i have ADHD and i am on no drugs, and intend to keep it that way.
A Neurological Basis for ADHD. Scientists have identified a genetically determined pattern of brain development linked to ADHD. A genetic variation that boosts risk for Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) paradoxically appears to predict who will grow out of the learning disability.
they gave me the 'disability will disappear with age' talk when i was a kid. i am 21 now and nothing is gone. my mom has ADHD too and no problems, she has owned and managed successful enterprises. having ADHD does not make you less successful in life, and i have yet to see a learning disability in myself. i can learn all information i want to but only if it interests me, guess why this is a problem in the educational system? because they want you to adopt the views they present you. that is not education, but indoctrination. if it does not interest me, simply put if it cannot be of use i am not gonna remember it, yeah until after the test is done and then i forget it again. sounds like a learning advantage to me.
and about the hyper activity part, i dont drink or eat caffeine or sugary foods or any other nervous system stimulant and i am actually calmer than most people who do consume these things. of course the media will not admit the advantages of ADHD, then they will not sell
Not really interested in arguing with the semantics of your theory on our education system. A little irrelevant but I can see why your perspective is the way it is.
I've just shown you that there are neurological issues going on in the brain with those associated with ADHD and cited from very reliable sources. Genetic variation with an unusually thin cortex in the parts of the brain important for attention.
How can you negate that and just say it's will power and nothing else.
Scientists have used brain scans such as single-photon emission computed tomography (SPECT), positron emission tomography (PET), and functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) in the past to study differences in the brains of people with ADHD. For example, they have found that the brains of people with ADHD mature more slowly. Also, when people with ADHD perform a task, certain areas of their brain are more or less active compared to people who don’t have ADHD.
In July 2013, the FDA approved the first imaging test to diagnose children and teens with ADHD. It’s called the Neuropsychiatric EEG-Based Assessment Aid (NEBA) System. The test records the type and number of brain waves that nerve cells give off each second. It looks for brain wave patterns that are unique to kids with ADHD. The FDA says the device can help doctors confirm a diagnosis of ADHD.
you forget that we can also do hyper focus, some people who have autism can do it too. i indeed need a lot of stimulation to keep my attention, that is an advantage to me because it allows me to prevent people from forcing me to learn things i dont want. also people with ADHD pay extreme attention to detail. its not like we can not learn things or that we dont want to. it just has to be interesting or its not going in, thats not a disatvantage if you ask me. i once thought everyone was like this but thats not true. from my point of view the rest of the world has a disability, not me im fine.
I understand that but you can't just tell someone they lack will power because they choose to help alleviate their issues with the assistance of medication in order help better their lives. That's a bold.. none the less completley statement to say it's just willpower. If it were just willpower then I wouldn't be taking medication. I've been through this my whole life.. you know how frustrating it is to have above average intelligence and not being able to utilize your potential? Are there advantages to having ADHD? yes. Are their disadvantages.. many. The pros certainly do not outweigh the cons.
Your personal story doesn't nullify all neurological studies conducted pertaining to ADHD though. These are facts and "it's only willpower" isn't even susceptible to debate. Will power is literally one variable of 100 others. That is just ignorance. You had success in your path but that's not everyone. That is like telling someone that has been diagnosed with bipolar to stop being so moody and they just need to stop being so sensitive. Are U. S. pharmaceutical companies taking advantage? Absolutely but that doesn't trump the fact that people still benefit from these medications by any means.
Adderall contains dextroamphetamine salts, the psychoactive chemical is Amphetamine. Meth is Methamphetamine. The difference between these two molecules is one methyl group.
These medications alleviates the present issue to make you function like a normal person. It brings your neurological balance to one that does not have ADHD. For the same dose with someone that doesn't have ADHD.. roughly twice as much methamphetamine as dextroamphetamine will reach the brain because its better at crossing the blood-brain barrier. Once there it has greater effects on serotonin than dextroamphetamine does, but both affect dopamine about the same amount for the same in-brain concentration.
There is absolutely no reason as to why you are misconstruing my term "Normal Person" other than carrying this notion of being politically correct. From my view it just sound like you are attempting to solidify any ground on your weak argument that carries no foundation whatsoever. In other words you got nothing left other than to attack my argument from an emotional standpoint.
I've proven you wrong from every angle possible and this is all you really have left in your tank lol. So I guess you'll continue to press this until you come up with another irrelevant topic to press on me.
"Normal Person = One that does not have the neurological imbalance of those associated with ADHD. "
you know as well as me that that is not the definition of a normal person. if you somehow try to imply that people with ADHD are not normal you are wrong.
keep reading you studies, its not like the medical sciences are plagued by pseudoscience.
I'll say it again.. "Normal Person = One that does not have the neurological imbalance of those associated with ADHD. "
There you go.. just dismiss literally all factual neurological studies that have been conducted and since 1902 on the pertaining subject. Seems appropriate.. There you go you got it.. it would make much more sense to listen your story. 😂 I'm done..
I don't know what your definition of disorder is. All that matters is the effect that ADHD has... everything else is irrelevant. Whether you want to coin the term as a disorder or a learning disability doesn't really matter. The issue is still there.
Brain imaging studies using PET scanners show that brain metabolism in children with ADHD is lower in the areas of the brain that control attention, social judgment, and movement.
The image on the left shows differences between an adult with ADHD (right) and a non-ADHD brain (left). (The purple halo surrounding the brain image is an image artifact and not part of the brain.)
Scans and other imaging research have also shown that the brains of children with ADHD differ fairly consistently from those of children without the disorder.
Several brain regions and structures (pre-frontal cortex, striatum, basal ganglia, and cerebellum) tend to be smaller. Overall brain size is generally 5% smaller in affected children than children without ADHD. While this average difference is observed consistently, it is too small to be useful in making the diagnosis of ADHD in a particular individual.
Now read this.. research also shows that psychopathy appears to be linked to specific structural abnormalities in the brain. A study, published in the Archives of General Psychiatry and led by researchers at King’s College London, also confirmed that psychopathy is a distinct sub-group of antisocial personality disorder (ASPD), said Nigel Blackwood, M. D., from the College’s Institute of Psychiatry and lead author of the study.
Okay so.. riddle me this. While neuro-diversity is very evident to we just excuse everything off as we are all different? Do we let psychopaths go unmedicated and wreak havoc? Do we just ignore the obvious benefits of balancing out neurological imbalances?
most psychopaths are not even criminals, why would the wreak havoc? i never said people should go unmedicated. you think that medication is the solution? its not. i was on medication for a long time in my childhood and it has disadvantages. there is no magic pill to make your problems go away.
Well you can't really go on absolute claim of neuro-diversity in attempt to rationalize that everyone is just different. "there is no magic pill to make your problems go away." is very true
Just as anabolic steroids are used as a tool to raise the ceiling of your genetic ability to grow muscle mass. These ADHD medications are a tool and nothing more. How you utilize that tool is entirely dependant upon your discretion.
it boils down to points of view i guess. many people who have mania and find themselves sometimes in periods of pure ecstasy become artists like painters or dancers and their mania has helped them produce beautiful paintings and works of art.
Okay perspective aside.. what I've shared with you today with evidence.. are you going be a little more apprehensive to say "It's only will power and nothing else"? Can you now recognize that willpower is one variable of 100 others now?
Well it's an amphetamine it will do that but I couldn't imagine it ever causing permanent cardiovascular issues unless you are taking massive dosages. If I get off it I'm sure my heart rate will cruise back to normal.
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