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Ephesians 5:23 ESV:
For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior.
1 Timothy 2:11-15 ESV :
Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearingâif they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.
Ephesians 5:22 ESV:
Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
Women are not inferior to men
@miia389 www.biblegateway.com/.../
If the Bible can only be quoted with context, it's not universally valid.
It's actually the other way around and, if you think about it from an evolutionary perspective, it becomes obvious. This is because females cannot have thousands of kids like men can so, unlike men who are not picky about the characteristics of women they will fuck, women are much more picky about choosing their mate... And women choose based on what man can do for her...
So, over hundreds of thousands of generations, men have become what women wanted them to be.
Nonsense. If you're gonna look at this from an evolutionary point of view, you should recognize the fact that not too long ago, it was both morally and legally acceptable for women to serve men. The only time women have been able to be picky is now - the modern day. In the past, the only thing that stood between a man getting the woman he wants were other men he had to fight off. Not the woman's choice. The women didn't really have much of a choice. It's the same with many animals, the strongest get to mate with whomever they want. It's not the females choosing, but the stronger and better males overcoming the weaker ones.
It's only changed in recent times. Do you really think women got to be picky even just 100-200 years ago? That's really naive.
Also, if men had become what women wanted them to be, there would be no feminism, no girls whining about chivalry being dead or using the "where have all the real men gone?" line.
@ivaneca He's referring to the first modern humans and its ancestors, way before modern civilizations. You're talking about social phenomena. The reason why women have just started being picky is because they've been oppressed until recently. What he described refers to what happened hundreds of thousands of years ago, when humans weren't civilized yet and mating happened like it does in the animal world. And back then, females were definitely the picky ones while men had to try their best to impress them. That's human evolution 101.
@ivaneca
This:
" from an evolutionary point of view, you should recognize the fact that not too long ago, it was both morally and legally acceptable for women to serve men."
is nonsense. Morals and legalities have nothing to do with evolution.
You simply need to recognize that the vast number of children ever born are not the products of rape but of mate selection. Females are the more selective sex. Our purpose, by fucking as often as possible with as many females as possible, is to maximize genetic diversity which makes our species more robust.
You mean "meant to" as in "in our nature"? Well, whether that's true or not is completely irrelevant, because humans have stopped long ago to do what nature "intended" them to do. Most of what we do goes against the nature of our ancestors, simply because our individual intelelct and emotions trump our instincts.
We're meant to "compliment" each other. Like men are better in some case and women better in other so they just need to help the other in what they're bad at.
That's a weird question. Technically as humans we serve no purpose. Nobody's purpose is to serve anyone.
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The comments that argue with Bible verses or texts from the Koran are ridiculous. Before patriarchy existed, matriarchy was the norm. This is also very easy to explain. In the matriarchy, women had the leadership, but they did not rule âoverâ the men. There was no resistance to this form of society, because due to the empathy and emotional intelligence of which women have a little more (biologically based on the fact that they have more responsibility for the upbringing of their children), ensure that every individual is included, there are no quarrels and claims of ownership. It's a WE. Because when everyone is taken care of, you are taken care of too. This has worked for a very long time, longer than patriarchy has existed and will exist. Unfortunately, droughts, wars, shortages and violence put an end to this one day. Because when we are so focused on surviving, we act on survival instincts and there is no longer a WE. Nevertheless, the patriarchy is not justified. It takes a lot to keep women down. And the new religions were shaped to make women obedient and justify their submissive place, the laws made to make women dependent, marriage made to ensure every man had access to procreation. But that is not natural. Basically, people serve life. We are endowed with the drive to continue the reproduction and maintenance of our species. And the most successful method is when women are doing well. The people here arguing that the strong males in the animal kingdom just take or choose any female are very ill-informed. Animals in captivity or traumatized animals behave this way, but in the animal kingdom it is usually female choice. The female gender is more selective, the male gender is success-oriented. But the man hasn't achieved much if he's allowed to just take it all. Especially when the woman is traumatized by the man's violence and the offspring does not develop healthily as a result. In fact, stress can even cause the unborn child to fail.
So where is that natural when it comes to the preservation of the human species? Even animals have a natural instinct for it. It is not the females who want to please the males, but vice versa. They want to prove that they matter and are worthy of passing on their genes. There are various rituals in the animal kingdom. The male performs a mating dance, presents himself, the lion shows his mane, the male fish are shiny and usually much more colorful than the females. Male birds bring flowers to females, give them presents. The patriarchy has turned the tables and taken it to the extreme. The reason men so often believe women will dress up for them is because men want to please women and believe it must work the other way around as well. They don't know any different. It's a biological instinct. We've all been manipulated. We serve life, creation and femininity is the embodiment of creation as she can shape life. The first man is not "Adam". Strictly speaking, if we consider the birth of the child in the womb, it is "Eve". Before the child's sex is determined, it has a sort of vagina. This may change when the child becomes a boy. In addition, the woman has YY and the man only XY. This makes a very big difference, because the woman is biologically much better equipped than the man. The physical strength comes from the X because the body tries to make up for the missing Y since it is biologically weaker than the woman. Hence the physical strength. It's for balance. Therefore, when men are ill, they suffer more and are more at risk. It's not just a cliché. Men also die earlier. But today it doesn't really matter what is natural. It is important that we understand and care for each other. It is important that both parties surrender, love, serve and align themselves with a WE.
The fact is: If women were created to serve men, they would not question it, would not fight it and would not want to change it and in fact have already changed it. Then there would never have been anything other than patriarchy and we wouldn't feel as bad or even "inferior" as you write with this thought. Your biology tells you that's not true. And biology will always prevail more than any religion that emerged from the egoistic male brains of the time. Psychologically, men are even more likely to feel inferior or they wouldn't insist on women being below them. Holding someone down or even using violence is always an indication that you are feeling weak or threatened.
I hope this helps you.
Nope they are created to complete men , their's no gender superior to the other one , we are completing each other
Relationships are best when both parties make the decision to serve each other.
You gotta invest in the relationship. If all you do is make withdrawals then it can't possibly work.
If itâs mutual itâs fine. Relationships should not be one sided.
Some guys act like slaves to women & thatâs wrong too
Women don't have any purpose other than to be self serving individuals.
So they should only serve themselves?
Women only care about themselves.
I think that both genders can be meant serve each other.
No but if you actually belive that you should probably check out bdsm when your old enough
Women are meant two serve women and men are meant two serve men
Sexually. :)
God created women so that they would serve men
1 Corinthians 11:9
I know. God doesn't care about women
@sugarette the bible isn't a religion?
It's a guide book
The bible is a shitty guide book then
Men saying things like this is one the reasons so many women are LOSING respect for men
He is probably they type of guy who thinks women should stay in the kitchen
"Men are supposed to care for women" funny how you say that when you literally just said that women are servants.
Exactly why what he said is ironic and contradicting.
And Christians wonder why people think the Bible is bs
I'm not a feminist. Feminist hate and bash men. I think that neither gender is the others servent. Luckily type of people like you are in the minority
if a woman can't cook she can't keep a man. it's a fact
@sugarette like i said A BOOK isn't a RELIGION.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND? @Asker this is the girl who's backing you up. đđ
You need to get out more. I know couples where the man cooks the dinner instead.
Then why are you using the bible as a source like a Christian? And also say how god is great.
Ok, so you avoided the question. I know now that you ran out of things to say.
@sugarette
Hopefully. Ill keep praying
I'm not gonna be someones slave. Just because I will treat him well doesn't mean I'm gonna let my self be inferior to him. I'm gonna be in a relationship that I'm equal in. Not with someone who bosses me around all the time and treats me like I'm lesd than him. I know thats how you would treat your girl though. Which is pretty messed up.
@sugarette I know you want me french girl oui oui
@sugarette he is acting like a butthurt 12 year old now, I think you should just let it go
If all you mean is that women balance them out, then that's better. But, it sounded more like you siad women are men's servants and are inferior.
@sugarette vous ĂȘtes magnifique
@asker so I'm dumb for assuming someone who believes the Bible follows the religion the Bible is part of?
You pinged the wrong person
Guys... It's a troll. I can't believe how long this conversation is.
They aren't really SJWs. They think you are saying women are inferior like I did
Lol. Woman is the column of the family, who don't appreciate it, is dump person.
Please don't be so ridiculous. Thank You.
I think both should serve eachother :)
No. Women and men are supposed to be a team
fuck that, I only serve myself
No that sounds like Donald trumps thype of thing
If you were a billionaire you wouldn't put up with women's shit either lol.
can u explain more?
Like. Be submissive in the relationship. Kinda
Oh well if we're talking about being submissive, lol. Yeah I wouldn't date a non submissive woman.
Works out so much better when I have the control. That's not to say I don't do my part to serve her as well, because a man has to provide value in the relationship as well. But yeah, I'm the man, you're the woman. Here's how were doing things, and if there's a problem you're free to talk to me about it, but ultimately if you're so dead set on being "Independent" then go have fun with that and get out of my life, lol.
You don't mean inferior though, right?
I don't know what you mean by that. If you're asking if I think women are "Inferior" then that's not really a meaningful question.
Which is superior, a fish or a squirrel? Depends on what the task is. Judge a fish by their ability to climb a tree and it'll feel like a failure.
In the same sense, women excell in certain areas while men excel in others. Neither are actually superior/inferior.
I just think it woeks best when the man is allowed to be man and the woman is expected to behave like a woman.
Hell no
Nope
Nope. Absolutely not
HELL NO!
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