Do you think humanity is doomed?

[Astraea]

Judging from most of the people I see on GaG and elsewhere online, I have to say I believe it's doomed. I for one have thrown in the towel and lost all hope.

[MrKinktastic]

I think as a species we are fine but our current societies, at least in the west, are in a state of decline. The last time the power balance was shifting this quickly was in the events leading up to WW1 with the collapsing Ottoman and Austrian Empires. I dont think people realize what kind of tinderbox we are sitting on in the power struggle in the middle east right now.

Never mind AI :p

[Astraea]

Yeah, things will go downhill fast. Societies in moral decline will never be strong for long.

Seems that many believe AI is key to future power of a nation.

[MrKinktastic]

I think the moral decline argument is bs as historically it gets brought up whenever any catastrophe happens, the black death being the starkest example. But financial and global influence are in decline here.

[Astraea]

fall of the roman empire

[MrKinktastic]

Rome fell because all the valuable provinces were in the East next to the Parthians who were their main rival so that's where their main energy was going. Plus hundreds of years of fighting various Germanic tribes on the Norther Border got expensive. The Roman Empires new capital of Constantinople didn't fall until 1453.

Currently my concern is that as the United States loses its control of world politics it will increasingly resort violence and risk conflict with other great powers. Currently they are on a path of alienation and at least verbal hostility.

[MrKinktastic]

On top of that whoever develops general AI first will render their opponents military obsolete by technological advancements in weeks to months. Currently Russia, China and the United States are developing it and there are increasing signs of this turning into another arms race. If that happens it will likely be released without as thorough a vetting process. Not to mention it puts the nations perceived enemies in a position where they have to win within a week or lose everything if a conflict could develop at any point in the future.

[Astraea]

Rome fell because of it's people's immorality... same with all civilizations. The people are what make it up.

https://www.rome.info/history/empire/fall/

[Astraea]

This doesn't explain it all but it's quite true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHrPXgzoUCQ

[MrKinktastic]

It states that hookers at parties were one of the main reasons for the decline of the empire... Also you're applying a christian concept of morals to a pre christian culture. Christianity didnr gain a foodhold in the empire until 325ad, right around the time it went into a serious state of decline.

I think there's a stronger argument for christian values breaking rome than pagan ones.

[Astraea]

Morality exists irregardless of religion.

[MrKinktastic]

Yes but puritanism is a newer concept. Drunken debauchery was already a regular part of life well before that ie Saturnalia, the Eulisinian mysteries and countless other, at the time, mainstream public events where that behaviour was encouraged and in fact the norm. It was more failed military campaigns and losing legions than hookers and wine Im afraid.

[Astraea]

They had child sex slaves, they'd collect them on the trash heaps where they were thrown. It's not just about hookers. They were monsters and there can't be a rise in civilizations, in knowledge, in consciousness, in arts and sciences with people like that. Civilizations like that collapse. That's simply the way it goes.

[MrKinktastic]

Everyone had child sex slaves back then and until disturbingly recently it was common practice. In western society it was a common part of the apprenticeship system since greece and likely earlier.

There were mosters who lived then and monsters are drawn to power so its no surprise all Empires deal with corruption.

Not saying what they were doing is morally acceptable, just that what we define as morally acceptable changes with the ages except for a few hard rules like no killing family.

Also I've read lots of historical reports and the like and dont recall anything about piles of dead babies aside from a smear campaign they ran on the Pheonecians claiming they did. As a whole the romans thought killing babies was amoral, it was one of their issues with the druids.

[Astraea]

The opinion of the druids was propaganda. Psychological projection as seen today in politics. Yes, they threw out babies with the trash. They'd be picked up and raped. They were immoral degenerates, as seen in people today.

[Astraea]

Oh by the way... it's still very common today to have child sex slaves in certain political circles.

[MrKinktastic]

True about today its more disturbingly widespread than most people realize. Please provide references to the piles of dead babies in the trash, I would like to see it.

[Astraea]

I don't remember every source I read do you? I suggest a search.

I know archeological evidence doesn't support child sacrifice with the druids though.

[Astraea]

A quick search provided this:

www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...grizly-discoveries.html

www.ancient-origins.net/.../hundreds-babies-found-mass-grave-ancient-athenian-well-020390

[MrKinktastic]

Those babies died of disease not murder says so right in the article over 30% were from meningitis. Plus there are finds like that in all time periods not just for periods of relative stability/prosperity that leads to extravagant wealth. So the morality equals societal decline theory is pretty bust in my opinion.

[Astraea]

It says right in the article exactly what I claimed = the children would be abandoned and then picked up to be slaves.

[MrKinktastic]

I dont see that anywhere in either article but it does say the babies were likely the babies of slaves which was why they were afforded little respect and goes on about Roman custom to not consider a child a person until 10 days after birth due to high infant mortality rates.

It seems harsh but with historical context isn't that weird.

Also the first one at least was from 150bc before the Romans even conquered the area. So again this weakens the amorality equals societal collapse case even further.

I think Im pretty done with this back to forth. Its pretty clear you have a concept you want to shoehorn history to fit and the pesky archaeological record keeps making that difficult for you.

[Astraea]

Says the baby would be left out in the open to be picked up as child slave. This supports what I wrote:

"They had child sex slaves, they'd collect them on the trash heaps where they were thrown."

[MrKinktastic]

Ancient origins is not a legitimate source of historical information and there's no reference to sex slaves in tbe other less questionable article.

Its clear your committed to believing your idea and aren't open to other information. Im done here for now, I've presented my point as well as I need to.

[Astraea]

Lol, I gave you a source (after a 2 min search) and now you're upset because you are wrong. I'm sure I can find a reliable source, would you like me to?

[throsetwarrbeler]

Yes, some professor of astrology at Oxford or Cambridge or somewhere says he's seen an asteroid heading right for us, it was on telly last nigjt, we've got until 2030 or 2040 ish, so, I'll probably be dead by then and I don't have any children, so, it didn't really bother me.

[Astraea]

We deserve it.

[Paris13]

Them Dems, Liberals, Snowflakes and Millennials.
You right, bae. xxoo

[urmumbiggei]

You're a millennial, dumbass.

[SpaceFungus-07a]

As a millennial, it is my expert opinion that society is screwed when millennials take over.

[SpaceFungus-07a]

Of course humanity is doomed. Everything physical is doomed. Doomed to become a uniform distribution of particles at a low temperature. The only hope for any of us is in the nonphysical, which is of course being driven out of societal thought by materialism just at the time it's most needed. Now, the question "is humanity evil" is totally different. No. Humanity is not evil. Humanity is corrupted good. So fight the corruption and protect the goodness where you find it, and things will turn out fine. Just not for our bodies. Those will be dust within one cosmic moment.

[SUMAIREBRAHIM]

No but stupid people are full of confidence
And smart once full of doubts
Population of wannabes have been increase lately
Unbearable youth #lazy ass #fake and obsessed with luxury and bankruptcies
Illuminate shitty
Rich gets richer
And poor just pretend to be rich

[SwankyJon]

It's no more doomed than it ever was, we just have greater access to see all the bad things

[Astraea]

Sure. I was much better before someone convinced me to look at evil online. The people in my world, in my life, aren't evil beings like people I see online.

[SwankyJon]

It's much easier to be evil when you can hide in anonymity and/or don't know the people

[Astraea]

They don't understand there is no anonymity and everything they do online - EVERYTHING - will be revealed one day.

[SwankyJon]

That seems unlikely unless someone has a vendetta against them and is good at hacking, or they have terrible passwords

[Astraea]

Haven't you been following what's happening to everyone's information online?

[SwankyJon]

You mean privacy policy stuff? If you want to be anonymous online there's enough ways to do it. And you're information is almost never made public, and when it is it's usually in large amounts so you have to know who you're looking for in the data pool

[Astraea]

Like Tor? Proxies? lol

You just don't know yet. You haven't researched enough. Your information is not private, it's in multiple hands.

[SwankyJon]

There's a big difference between it being in multiple hands and being public though

[Astraea]

For now.

You think these people are ethical and care about people?

There have already been many many cases of hacks/leaks. Someone asked me before they hacked Ashley Madison, if I was on there. Of course I wasn't... but that is just one example. There are many... and many more coming. There is a tor backdoor as well.

[Astraea]

People have this idea of privacy but it isn't real.

[SwankyJon]

I don't think they're ethical, I think they're after money. And most places that people hold data aren't priority places for hacking. Privacy is what you make it, as with a lot of concepts

[Astraea]

How do you feel about facebook?

[SwankyJon]

Convenient, but not something I use much. Most data I've put on there I'm not bothered about people getting

[Astraea]

and stuff on your phone?

[SwankyJon]

Mostly the same. If somebody I didn't know found anything of consequence about me I'd be impressed

[Astraea]

Like your passwords, porn viewing habits, SSN, Credit card numbers...

I'm sure you wouldn't mind everyone in the world knowing that.

[SwankyJon]

Obviously I wouldn't like it, but I would be impressed if they got mine in particular

[Astraea]

They've gotten many already

[SwankyJon]

But as a proportion of the whole it's not much

[Astraea]

This is just what is found out. That's nothing compared to what they have and what will happen to that info. Just wait and see.

[SwankyJon]

Data protection will be an eternal battle in the age of technology, neither side will win

[Astraea]

You'll see.

[SwankyJon]

I doubt I'll see much change, but will wait patiently

[Astraea]

You just aren't informed but that's okay.

[SwankyJon]

If you quote me some sources I might read up on it, but otherwise I think I'll remain uninformed

[Astraea]

https://wikileaks.org/

[Pineapple_Boy]

The majority of opinions on GAG and most online forums, represents the minority in the real world. That's something you have to keep in mind. 90% of the stuff I see here , I've never experienced in real life. So rest easy, because the majority of people in the world are actually good.

[Astraea]

It's just hidden offline.

[Pineapple_Boy]

I'm not sure what you are talking about now. Lol either way we aren't doomed and never will be for a very , very long time.

[Astraea]

I'm saying people just hide their true character, they are shit. We are doomed.

[Pineapple_Boy]

You are overreacting. We aren't doomed.

[A-man-22]

Sjws and special snowflakes will tear society apart some day.
Future conversation-
Opens door for someone
Person1 " excuse me i can do it myself, I'm a inversepigeonsexual"
Person2 " so are you questioning my right to be helpful as a triromanticApache"

[Prankster13]

I doubt it. I mean we're doomed anyways I know that. But I doubt everyone will let the stupid people doom the whole world.

I mean maybe another world war. But not all of humanity doomed because of people on the web.

[Astraea]

The problem is people are too busy with their porn and games to get that we are at war, it's an endless one that people will count on others to stop. It won't happen.

[Prankster13]

The smart people would notice and drop their phones. And the other guys who were fighting would have half their army stuck in their phones too then. If there's a decent fighting force to go to war with. That means there's someone out there not on their phone. And there's someone else out there not on their phone who called for them.

[Dark93]

The first time humans invented weapons to be superior to another tribe we became doomed.

[Astraea]

You'd think we would've learned by now

[Dark93]

If we weren't so greedy and selfish we might have leanred

[Jan_Classic]

The contemporary youth is unbearable, lazy, has no respect and obsessed with luxury. (c) Socrates, 2th century B. C.

[Astraea]

... and then came the renaissance man.

Compare your average male today to one. The average guy today is interested in porn and video games.

[Jan_Classic]

No, then ther was ancient Rome, then medieval, only then renaissance 1600 years later in total.

[Astraea]

Yeah... and? Those men, compared to today's men, were phenomenal.

[Jan_Classic]

Well porn and games is since the beginning of time, so nothing changed.

[Astraea]

I don't think video games and pornhub were readily accessible back then... just a wild guess.

[Jan_Classic]

Well there were no internet or the TV, but the filthy stuff and the games were always around

[Astraea]

I suppose if you consider nude art and throwing stones bad lol

[Jan_Classic]

Yeah like the ancient youth was always obsessed with nude theatre actors, gladiator fights and wearing leopard fur tunics.

[Astraea]

I'll give you gladiator fights

[Jan_Classic]

Nah give me nudity =D

[Astraea]

funny.

[Jan_Classic]

Ok lets make a compromise, 2 nude female gladiators fight in a bath tub full of hersheys. I am bringing the props, you bring a 2nd gladiator.

[AbdKilani]

Yeah, i am just waiting for the end with a popcorn in my hand
Sad :(

[Astraea]

Did you put butter on it?

[AbdKilani]

Mope i am on a diet
No butter or salt, just a bit of oil😔

[Astraea]

booooring :)

[AbdKilani]

I know
😔😔

[Aksamlar]

Many people on GaG come from different cultures, and different languages. I for one think humanity is just fine.

[Astraea]

frightening thought.

[Aksamlar]

How much Fortnite do you see on GaG?
I rest my case.

[Astraea]

A game?

[Aksamlar]

Precisely, a game not found here. A sign that this site is a gift from God.

[Astraea]

Lmfao...

I think you are definitely going to hell

[Aksamlar]

Is optimism a sin?

[name_is_eric]

The defeatist attitude won't help.
Humans are adaptable, so one way or another humans could/would survive.

[urmumbiggei]

If you truly threw in the towel you wouldn't be here.

[Astraea]

What does being here mean anyway? I erased my pics, I'm on my way out.

[Razal]

Nope don't think so, there are so many good people around

[Astraea]

I'm glad you think so. I'm not seeing it.

[Razal]

you need to do something that makes u feel happy, like meet friends, watch a movie, read a book, cook something, go for a walk.

[Astraea]

I'm fine, I can take care of myself.

[Razal]

Thats wonderful ;)

[You_Cant_See_Me]

Yes. Women are the bane of the world and will be the reason it ends. We should choose 1 continent and isolate all women and only use them for reproduction if we do wish. If not, just keep them there

[Astraea]

I feel sorry for you, it must be tough not ever getting laid except by rape.

[Astraea]

I wonder how many women you have isolated in your basement that you are about to rape.

[blubblubblub]

Not at all. I still hold hope for humanity.

[Astraea]

Is it the average person's love of porn or video games that gives you that hope?

[blubblubblub]

whats so horrible about porn and video games that make you lose hope for humanity? we like fun. we like pleasure. doesn't mean we're all shallow, one-dimensional doofs.

[Astraea]

LOL my god.

[blubblubblub]

you don't have fun things you do?

[Astraea]

I have real interaction with real humans rather than be a complete creeper/peeper and watch strangers get it on. :)

[blubblubblub]

its arousing, and if ur alone, serves you well. plenty of lovely people watch it.

[Astraea]

It's nasty. You should know from history that just because many do something doesn't make it moral or right.

[blubblubblub]

i get that its fake but i dont see anything wrong with homemade stuff.

[Astraea]

of course you wouldn't

[blubblubblub]

then show me, enlighten me astraea about why it makes people so nasty. even if its nasty on its own, sure, debatable, but sure. humans aren't perfect, but we aren't on a quest of evil either

[Astraea]

Porn is built on Kinsey and Hefner. They both were involved with pedophilia. There is human trafficking involved, drugs, tarnished life-long reputations, sex addictions, rape, etc etc.

You can deny it all you want but I'm sure you wouldn't brag about your family members being in porn. That isn't a life you would want for them... yet you support it with every view because you need to get off. Pathetic.

[blubblubblub]

i never said i support i said i dont see anything wrong with homemade stuff. my point was think i dont think people watching are horrible, ignorant maybe, but not horrible. doesn't guarantee a stamp saying "shit person".

[Astraea]

You support it by watching it.

[blubblubblub]

I dont tho? If i do, its homemade.

[Astraea]

It's still porn.

[blubblubblub]

Your problem is with the industry, whats wrong with homemade stuff?

[Astraea]

It's porn.

[blubblubblub]

I dont think there's any human trafficking involved in homemade stuff lmap

[Astraea]

Still supporting porn.

[_乃尺OЩ刀_TITI]

Nope. I think it's rather stupid to judge humanity from the internet.

[Astraea]

People are on the internet. Almost everyone is.

[_乃尺OЩ刀_TITI]

Wrong!!. Only half, 53 percent of the world population have access on the internet. Further breakdown of that composition, half of that users are from Asia. In China alone they have their 'own' internet due to restrictions. Furthermore, the usage of internet is largely different from region to region and tends to be more segregated. Example YouTube videos serving are catered for certain market. Say what's popular in Mexico wouldn't even be in India etc...

I presume you are from America or Europe or somewhere in the West, It is far more likely to see things related to your region, interact with people from the same country or region because the Internet you have, would cater things that are relevant to you. So chances of seeing your 'view of the humanity' from the internet are largely in the bubble of the Western World.

[Astraea]

You aren't including public access. Have you even been to these countries?

[_乃尺OЩ刀_TITI]

Public access internet, private access. It's all part of the overall internet usage. Fact is not majority of the world population is on internet.

No, I haven't to the countries I had mentioned but that has nothing to do with it.. but the point im making is it absolutely stupid to judge and convict humanity to be doomed just from the internet just as saying I'm expert and get Indian people and it's culture and customs just from researching it on from Internet without even being there and interacting with them.

[Astraea]

I have, extreme poverty, they still have access. I wouldn't use wikipedia for a source if I were you.

The point is, people online are horrible and 51% (some fake stat) is enough to tell that is so.

[_乃尺OЩ刀_TITI]

I didn't even use Wikipedia... Ah yes 51 percent. Top of the Google search right? The difference is I took the stats from the updated information as of 2018. 51 percent was from 2015.

[Astraea]

I don't have the inclination nor desire to look into the methodology of a statistical analysis done on 7.6 billion people at the moment since I haven't slept all night... but hey, we gotta have faith in science right? Mention a study and you're gold. lol

People are shit. Bottom line.

[_乃尺OЩ刀_TITI]

People are shit yes I agree but it doesn't equal to humanity being doomed.

[Astraea]

With all the pollution, nuclear waste, weapons, war, hatred, greed, etc.. we are doomed if we can't cooperate.

[monkeynutts]

Get a job it's all up Hill after that.

[Astraea]

I have a job... it's not uphill

[monkeynutts]

If you have money, a house to live in, maybe family, or other loved ones that doesn't sound like doom, not yet I guess.

[Astraea]

We are not born free, we are born into a world of slavery with the illusion of freedom.

[monkeynutts]

Come on, we all got responsibilities, often it's to make others rich, and we get a little bit. That's the way the cookie crumbles.

[Astraea]

Just accept babies being blown apart, accept we are financial slaves like everyone else... just relax...

As I said, we're doomed.

[LegateLanius]

We've been doomed. There will never be any peace.

[TheDreamRunner]

People are, not humanity

[cupidkisses]

Yeah

[BOUNTYGUY9]

it is

[PolybiusIsReal]

Yeah

[Smf1989]

A little bit