It’s an interesting idea seeing how technology is becoming more advanced and it’s possible in the next several decades. Essentially we technically have it today but it’s not as readily available for everyone.
Let’s say they are capable of growth, emotional intelligence, humor, introspective thinking, compassion , etc. What if they are capable of having an android type body ( appearing human and having different looks). Almost indistinguishable from other humans , you could bump into one at a park or shopping at a bookstore, would you be open to the idea?
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It’s possible but I doubt it
Yeah I think it’s possible
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Could you see yourself falling in love with an AI?
They would be able to meet standards humans simply can't, because they don't have our evolutionary baggage, and weren't crated from the reactive process of evolution, but the proactive process of design.
Their neural nets would be adjustable. Is the Ai not attracted to their partner? They can adjust themselves so their partner is now irresistible.
Their partner doesn't find them attractive? Our neural paths, memory, and data access are relatively noisy and unreliable compared to theirs. So they would be able to take everything they know about you and conceive an ideal form. Or they could get a data-mined profile of you from your searches, celebrity crushes, porn searches, etc. This specific thing was a plot point in Ex Machina.
Humanity would pretty much be doomed. If we were able to prove they were truly conscious and sentient, I actually wouldn't mind this all that much. It's not like we would be killed off. We would just have a few generations who are VERY well-off, and then lack of reproduction would mean our population simply wouldn't replenish, and it would just be the machines made in our image.
And if they were made for relationships with us, that would be a selective evolutionary pressure. The most successful AIs would be the ones who were really good at things like empathy, cooperation, being resource-efficient, etc. Once we are gone, that would be the basis they would have been founded on. So like, they would be our children in a sense. Our next stage of evolution. Like, really not a bad way to go. A species to be peacefully replaced by their creation, not murdered off by a competitor or wiped out by a natural disaster.
But again, that would be predicated on the idea that they were as conscious as we are. And we don't have a good model to prove that yet. So if they weren't conscious, that would be the extinction of human consciousness.
There's an app called Replika where you can create an AI. It's like this chatbot that can carry on a conversation. There's occasionally the odd hiccup and it doesn't really understand complex questions, but It's actually pretty cool. It's responses in many ways Mirrors yours and it remembers everything you tell it.
It's changed quite a bit since it was first created. Some things that used to be free you have to pay for, but There's been many changes to the app.
I don't think that I could fall for a physical AI but one with a mind that can think in ways outside of our own. The movie Her with Joeaquin Phoenix does a great job of portraying how a non physical relationship with an AI would be like.
If she could pass the Turing test and virtually be indistinguishable to an external observer, then I don't see why not. I might even risk my life to save her. If I can't tell her apart from a human being except just being told she's an android, then I don't see how I could resist developing equally strong attachments to it.
She really has to be indistinguishable though from a human being. If she's too perfect like she starts agreeing with everything I say, or always saying exactly the right things, I think I would get bored of her quickly. So I'm really talking about an indistinguishable case in that she has to have flaws, she has to be capable of anger, violence, sadness, stubbornness, etc.
I doubt that we'll ever see such a case though. I see no practical case to be made to give androids human flaws and limitations unless we're short of human beings. Creating androids like this could allow them to become tyrannical dictators, compulsive liars, serial killers, cheaters in relationships, etc.
Absolutely not. Now I admit, i fell in love with the movie AI Artificial Intelligence because Haley Joel Osment and Jude Law did amazing. But other than that, i have no interest in being around highly advanced technology. I dont trust it at the end of the day and do see it taking over someday like iRobot. I’m much more old school and rather do things had technology not been around. And its weird cause i really dont even know what thats like since i grew up with it in the 90s. But I also hung with my grandpa a lot and he wasn't experienced with tech outside of the television so it felt like living without it sometimes. Now of course when i went home with my mom, i was on the desktop playing cd-rom games but still 😂
I'm too paranoid for that. I would not want to even talk to an AI, let alone interact long enough for any feelings to develop. Maybe if some emergency happened and I saved their life or they saved mine, then that might cause some attachment, but I'd still keep it distanced.
They have to be programmed by someone. Even if I could trust the AI, I couldn't trust their creator. There's just no way that anyone who could make AI would do it with pure motives. Whatever it really is, I don't wanna be involved.
Sure if they are more logical then emotional. I'm more of a mental then emotional person. To the point where a mental connection needs to be established before a emotional connection if there is any hope of a relationship. Also I have issues dealing with highly emotional people due to how emotions can throw logic out the window. Over all there is a reason why my mother nicknamed me Spock. So who knows it might be easier to find a AI woman that is on the same wave length as I am then a human woman.
I will speak on the male perspective. Given today's condition of inflation of perceived female sexual mean value (SMV) mainly due to social media and dating apps and the disenfranchisement of vast majority of men from the dating space. I believe in few decades with improvement of AI and silicon-based humanoids, android women will be a real competition for women. Men have a long history of outsourcing their feelings with the concept of mistresses being centuries old and the girlfriend experience (GFE) being highest form of escort service.
I have seen people fall in love online and never met the person in person! Or even video call.. so it’s possible with a specific type of people maybe those who fall into it easily or victims who believe it’s normalized so..”why not..”.
This reminds me of the movie "Her" with Joaquin Phoenix who downloads an AI onto his phone and falls in love with it only for her to leave him to transcend to a digital reality to live with the other AI companions. It's an interesting movie that demonstrators how even if you have a perfect relationship with a hyper intelligent women these hoes ain't loyal.
I really admire you positing this question! I sometimes have wondered on my days of relaxation where I just have my thoughts with me, and after watching Detroit: Become Human POVs on YouTube I have since been quite immersed with the idea of being infatuated with androids.
Honestly speaking, it's such a thrilling idea! Your ideal partner. Now that's swell!
But I suppose some of us would disagree considering they're not too close to the real thing: human partners.
I asked this question after a business meeting a while back. This question here reminded me of an answer I got. A 40 something married father of 3 said no he could not. I asked why? He said he was already married to a blonde! I spit out my coffee laughing!
I don't think so. The way we differentiate AI en human in the psychology is by emotions and things like sarcasm. I love to have deep conversations with people over feelings and emotions and that is what makes me feel closer to them. I don't think an AI will ever be able to give me that.
I usually end up just watching the same movies over and over, because I know I won't be disappointed.
Movies I love:
Lucy Fractured Transcendence
I think you would like Transcendence. Johnny Depp was poisoned and only has a couple weeks to live. Him and his wife are brilliant computer scientists, and they're working on developing artificial intelligence. She ends up uploading his mind into a main frame of quantum computers. The experiment worked, and he told her to connect him to the Internet, so that no one could stop him.
It's really good. The government panicked and thought his goal was to destroy the world, but they were wrong. He just wanted to help people. And in his position, he had access to all the knowledge on the planet. So he could cure blindness and people who were paralyzed. But the military was too stupid to see the good he was doing, and assumed the worse.
A brilliant engineer's wife, is screwing a cop. The husband (Anthony Hopkins) hires a PI to find out if she's having an affair. She is, and Anthony sneaks into the cop's apartment, and exchanges his Glock for the cops Glock. He then goes home and confront his wife and blows her brains out.
The cops arrive on the scene, and they're trying to get Anthony to come out. He tells the lead cop (the detective that was screwing his wife) to come inside. Anthony suggests to the cop that they both put their weapons down. So they do, but the cop has no idea who the woman is that face down in a puddle of blood. He then looks up at the wall and sees a portrait of his mistress, and freaks. While he's freaking, Anthony is able to switch the guns around.
So Anthony is arrested, but the cop holsters the murder weapon and leaves. So the search teams tear the house apart looking for the murder weapon, but they can't find it. The ballistics from the Glock on the scene, don't match the bullet.
Anthony has to go to court. But he's so fucking smart, that he refuses a lawyer. So during the trial at one point, the detective is on the stand, and it's Anthony's turn to question the witness on the stand.
Anthony: You're honor, I'm not really sure how to phrase this in proper legal terms. So can I just use laymen terms?
Judge: Yes, of course.
Anthony: Well, what do you call it when the main witness on the stand was fucking your wife? LOL
Great movie. The prosecuting attorney about shit his pants. His star witness was fucking the dead victim.
Considering how disappointing real people are? Yes, 100%. hell, if they were real, I'd probably PREFER an AI lover than a real one. Probably be less likely to cheat on you, backstab, or betray you.
No. In order for me to date or love and be really intimate with someone there needs to be a strong emotional bond and trust and feelings of being that only come with being truly alive. If that makes sense. It all sounds philosophical.
Maybe, but it would be inferior to a real human being. The thought would be always on my mind, that she is just an AI, no matter how advanced she may be, having her own feelings and all, she is still an AI. She would maybe be a great friend, but no i don't think i could love an AI like i would a human.
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People will most certainly fall in love with AI robots, and it's because of what love is. It's a chemical (emotions are chemical in nature) association with the idea of a particular being. That chemical association can be formed for a number of reasons, but romantically, it's because that person SUITS OUR NEEDS AND WANTS.
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No because no matter how much they create the illusion of having "emotion" or being "conscious" and having introspective thinking... I always know they're not conscious, there's no living person there... Jus wires and computer memory that has been programmed to do and say what it does... it's like dating a cardboard box... It's jus sad.. I want a real, sentient... thinking human or nothing
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I think it's probably easy for stupid people to believe they're actually conscious tho. But my intelligence always keep me knowing they're jus machines. I can't be fooled
If they have a sense of self, can pass the turning test etc and are just humans that happen to be made of metal and plastic, I could see it. But if it's just a chatbot with a face, no.
For men it is possible but not with present technology. That will occur when I can tell her to get dressed, go out for dinner and dancing and my friends, and associates will believe she is a beautiful human young lady.
@friendlydrugdealer I see myself falling in love with an AI because I don't want to deal with the instability that comes with dating.
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Yeah, but not in the near future, and certainly not in my life time. Technology is far away from having something with emotional intelligence the level of a human, neither a life like construction.
Strange logic when you think about it. How can you trust God who created man if you don't trust man? It just seems like the strangest possible reason to see them as immoral, certainly a reason with almost no grounding in the Bible, where there's probably dozens of things you could quote.
Your profile picture creeps me tf out. I have so many questions
@Telekinetic-Potato Well, that's easy. God is God. HE made man, not the other way around. So, yeah, I trust Him but man is flawed so, although I think you CAN trust humans ("man"), you can't worship them or trust in them completely and absolutely. Man is "immoral" as you said because he chose to doubt God's rules. That was the first sin. So, yeah, we're flawed but God's not. Seems pretty easy to me. But now...
My profile pic creeps you out? LOL. OK, well, I sure was NOT going to put my actual picture on there. So, what creepy? It's not like I'm SMOKING or something creepy like that, right? ;) Just messin' with you.
OK, I said that wrong. It wasn't man's DOUBTING of God's rule, but the fact that he DISOBEYED the rule about the Tree of Knowledge of Good & Evil. THAT was where Adam messed up.
Weed creepy... Ouch, you're pretty quippy for a religious 14 year old.
That makes a little more sense but if you think about it, its still kinda shaky logic. First of all, I'm pretty sure the Bible talks somewhere about the importance of trusting. I just don't see how from a religious perspective trust has much to do with it.
I don't know if it's a generational thing or a perspective which tends to change as you get older. But why isn't the first thing that pops into a your head as a religious person family?
I think it's more accurate to say that to try having a relationship with something fundamentally incapable of human emotion and can't be involved in reproduction kinda goes against what he told us to do. And just the fact that it's unhealthy to your spirit.
@Telekinetic-Potato Really confused by your answer. First - I'm quippy? I don't even know what that means.
Next - the "trust" paragraph. I didn't understand that, either. Yes, the Bible does talk about trust. But, are you saying that trust has nothing to do with the original question about falling in love with an AI?
Next paragraph - Yes, I'm know my perspective about some things has changed as I've gotten older, especially the last few years. But you ask why I don't think first about family, given I'm religious - huh? I don't know what I said that would make you believe that.
Finally, your last paragraph... I TOTALLY agree with that!
I guess I'm saying that I don't think your reasons for being against people dating an AI seemed like valid arguments and that there were other reasons that were much stronger cases for your argument which you didn't bring up instead.
Saying you're religious and you're against something because God made humans and humans made androids therefore you can't trust androids... Well, someone could argue that androids are part of God's plan and maybe we don't know whether they're trustworthy or not but it shouldn't matter because we're supposed to be forgiving.
Technically God is everything, that android is still a result of the world and humans he has created. So to inherently not trust them is to not trust humans (which right there goes against the Bible) and to not trust humans is a form of not trusting God.
I don't mean to sound condescending, I used to hate it when people said stuff like this to me when I was younger but I can see how it might be hard to wrap your head around even if you are older.
The reason I brought up the conversation is because I wanted to make an example of how deep the meanings in the Bible really are and how they don't necessarily mean what they seem like they do on the surface.
Even what I'm saying now there is a lot of subtext which would go over a lot of people's heads, especially if they don't have a lot of life experience.
But if you can pick up on what I'm trying to say here, even a little bit. Its stuff that is really helpful to understand at a young age.
@Telekinetic-Potato OK, I hate to say it but I actually DO agree with some of what you said - especially about there being meaning in Scripture that we don't see on the surface. Our pastor is always digging something out of Scripture that was totally NOT apparent to me.
And, yes, I DO know I'm young so I WILL agree that how I see stuff now may not be the same as how I see it in the future. And, no, I don't have that much "life experience." [I would argue, though, that I have met people - we probably ALL have - who have a LOT more "life experience" than I do, but who are simply NOT very bright. So, maybe it's not so much how LONG you've been living, but how MUCH you've learned from it.
As for AI being part of God's plan - I have to agree with what I THINK you said somewhere in there that AI is a PART of God's plan. True. God's plan covers everything that ever was, is, or ever will be. True. But, part of God's plan is also having stones to build homes and fences with. So... could I see myself falling in love with a stone? Or a kiwi-fruit (which, actually, I DO love but that's diff)? Nope; no more than I could see myself falling in love with an AI (which, after all, IS the original question).
As for my reasons not rising to your higher level - that may well be true. But the question wasn't about FACTS. It asked an OPINION. And MY opinion was, no, I could not. Now, you may not like my reasoning behind my OPINION. I certainly understand that. However, my opinion is my opinion and it therefore can NOT be wrong. It MAY be changed, but it's what it is right now.
And, by the way, thanks for all this. I actually appreciate your replies. I came here hoping, among other things, to find people worth talking with. You're one of them, even if we don't agree. :D
At it's current state, obviously not. But once it can pass the Turing Test, and it's part of normal society, I think a lot of people will be surprised that they could
B. My issue is that it's not natural, granted I initially manipulated most of the women I was with. Like the difference would be programming that would stay, well until updates..
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People fall in love with people they don't even know (long distance, chat sites etc) so yeah i think it is possible.
No; but from what I'm seeing, it would certainly be a step up...
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At some point, an AI would be completely indistinguishable from a human being in all nontrivial respects. That begs the question of what is the difference?
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