When will you accept that God is real?

[Anonymous]

[Wade12345]

I couldn't care less what the Bible or any other man-made document "teaches". I want "The Truth".

The True Creator can speak to your mind, and does not need a bible to talk to anyone.

Atheists reject God willfully through ignorance. When presented with factual evidences for God, they simply ignore it and reject the truth.

The Ontological Argument and Cosmological Argument are all that are needed to prove God's existence.

Ontological Argument:
1) God as we understand him is a Being than which no greater being can be conceived.
2) A Being which exists in reality is greater than a being which exists only in the mind.
3) Therefore we can't be imagining God.
4) Therefore God exists.

Cosmological Argument:
There must be a First Cause of reality.
Everything that began to exist has a cause. The Universe began to exist.
The First Cause has no beginning, because it is necessarily self-eternal, uncaused, and self-motivated.
The only thing we know of which can be self-motivated is a Free Moral Agent: An actual Mind.
Therefore the First Cause is an intelligent, rational Mind.
Therefore God exists.

[Xtcy2083]

The ontological argument is stupid, because the first premise is entirely subjective. Why would anyone define God as something that nothing greater can be conceived of by our tiny, flawed minds? What may be the greatest conceivable being to you, may not be for me, because I may have more of an imagination and be able to come up with something greater than you can.

[slatyb]

When will you accept that God is not real? The Bible is just words, not evidence. The only evidence we have is negative -- prayer doesn't work any better than doing nothing.

[Asker]

Then what do you explain what happened in Fatima over a 100 years ago

[slatyb]

What happened when n Fatima? Nothing.

[Asker]

It's a waste of time talking to you

[Wade12345]

Prayer doesn't work for people who ask for selfish things. I've eye-witnessed prayer work in my life several times. I've been divinely healed on three occasions: Once from spinal meningitus, once from foot pain, and another from a crippling weakness spell whereby I couldn't even walk 100 yards without crying in pain. Now I can walk several miles non-stop again.

Divine Intervention does happen. But God is not required to divinely intervene on your behalf nor any other atheists behalf seeing how you reject naturalistic evidence o fhis existence.

[slatyb]

So what happened in Fatima that was so miraculous? There’s no general agreement that something unusual happened., except that a lot of credulous people went there expecting something to happen.

“Prayer doesn’t work for selfish things” there's always a reason why some particular prayer didn’t work. There’s no evidence that prayer has any effect on anything except the state of mind of the person praying. A study was done to see if being prayed for had any effect on medical outcomes. There was none.

[Wade12345]

God is not an experimental lab rat. He probably simply chose not to answer the prayers of the people in that pathetic study.

[Wade12345]

From what I've seen of your description of that event, I don't believe that was a miracle at all. You see hallucinations and weird colors if you stare at the Sun long enough.

[slatyb]

It probably is a waste if time for you to talk to me if all you can do is make unsupported claims.

[Anonymous]

You can see God. You can hear from those who received the promises of the Bible. If they didn't receive the promises then don't listen to them. The savior is not historical. The sad part is 99% of religious people reject Christ. Worst they don't even know it. But yeah you can see God. Lol I always laugh while writing this because I know people think I'm joking... If you only knew.

[dankstranger]

Why believe in God when The flying spaghetti monster has touched me with his noodly appendage. For many noodles are made, but few are boiled.
-Ramen

[FriendlyDrugDealer]

When there is a cure for cancer, no more world hunger and when the New York Giants win the super bowl again. If all those things happen , I’ll start going to church.

[Wade12345]

If people in Africa stopped having eight children per woman, there wouldn't be "World Hunger". That's a misnomer. The only people who are "hungry" according to the WHO are people in Africa in ridiculously large families in poor nations not designed to support large families.

Don't start going to church. Church is a false religion. God is not a religion. God is a person you can talk to and listen to right now.

[Wade12345]

God does not interfere in the outcome of Sporting Events. It's a test of two teams' skills. It's not a venue in which He will dictate an outcome. The "Angels in the Outfield" movie is blasphemy.

[AndrésC64]

As soon as someone can actually provide evidence that it exists.

[FunkyMonkee]

The day it actually shows the fuck up and proves it's god.

[GaGirls]

Already has. Never left. Lol. You understand?

[FunkyMonkee]

@GaGirls Okay, where is it? I understand that it doesn't exist! And, if it did, for as nasty as it is, WHY would you worship it?

[GaGirls]

Okay first you have to lose your religious mindset. It's dead weight. Now we can define worship as it should be defined. Worship is the act of giving thanks; gratitude. There is a reason for why that should be done; but you're more interested in being not so much the attributes of God. Can you see bacteria, viruses, atoms, etc etc with the naked eye? If you really wish to know that existence of God you must drop all your religious notions. I have an answer for everything but your perception of God and his attributes are... well traditional. If you wish to prove the traditionalist wrong, well, you will do a great job. We can just do this by you asking me questions and I will answer them to the best of my ability or I will point you to something that can go more deep. I am no scholar so, I will give everything to you in layman's terms.

[FunkyMonkee]

@GaGirls First off, I don't HAVE a religious mindset! I gave that up decades ago when it became incredibly obvious that it was all bullshit! I KNOW it's dead weight so, why do you hang onto it so fervently?
Worship, in this case, is blindly praising something in which you have no proof of it even existing.
Why would I want to worship something that doesn't exist?
Okay, answer this: why is there disease? Why is there hatred? Why does god allow people to hurt and kill each other? If everything that happens is part of god's great plan, why would you attempt to beg god to change it by praying to it? And, IF it's god's great plan that your mom dies horribly of cancer, why the fuck would you praise such an evil bastard as that?

[GaGirls]

@FunkyMonkee Okay I'll try to answer those questions as best I can. But once again, the religious mindset means you look at God through traditional teaching. If I think math is a load of crap, but I learned math from a guy who was crap at math... Then my perception is all based on the fact I learned it from a guy who can't do math. "God's greater plan" sounds like some religious stuff to me. But let's move on from that because I can still answer the questions but I warn you, you might not like what you hear. There is a reason for worship. We will focus on the questions first though. I will answer only the ones I can answer of the top of my head. I'll start in the next comment cause word count is probably almost up.

[GaGirls]

@FunkyMonkee
Q: Why does god allow people to hurt and kill each other?
A: God is immoral; humans are individualized anyway.

Q: Gods greater plan?
A: Doesn't exist. God's only provable objective is expansion and fuller expression aka growth or evolution I guess you could call it but I wouldn't call it that. Might be a better word for it somewhere in the dictionary. The bible teaches this. They may call it the law of spirit or something err I don't know.

Q: Why is there hatred?
A: Ignorance but also you have to understand how the subconscious mind works or the heart as the Bible calls it. It will accept anything. Logic or no logic does not matter. It is why people hang onto their religion even though it makes no sense; and if you try to change it takes a while unless you get hit by an emotional impact which is rare. It is why many will fly a plan into a building in the name of God. It is why some people are still racist today. It is why beautiful girls think they are worthless yet every guy thinks they look beautiful. You can research psychology for more on that.

Q: Why is there disease?
A: That is the hardest one for me to answer off the top of my head, but like I said God is immoral so it is pointless for me to answer the question anyway. But ignorance is the short answer. The long answer would explain why ignorance is the cause. 2 question left, in the next comment.

[GaGirls]

Q:Why worship (give thanks) to something you can't see?
A: Like I said early, you can see God and we will get into that in a moment
But you give thanks due to the law of cause and effect. Or what the Bible calls sowing and reaping. In the past few months, I've won a playstation, a smart watch, money using this law.

Q: Does God exist?
A: Yes, but we have to be careful not to give God our image. We were made in Gods image not the other way around. So this is what the Bible teaches. First was the word and the word was God. Another way of saying is, first was the idea of the universe and the idea was God. That makes no sense right?
Well it will in a minute. God - omnipresent, being, creator, intelligent, always as been and cannot be destroyed.
Now we have to step away from the Bible and go over to science aka the modern bible.
Energy - omnipresent, being, from which everything springs, can't be created nor destroyed

Energy can be seen using kirlian photography. And we know everything of form has energy and that everything spring from energy. The only difference between things is rate of vibration or frequency of this energy. This is why the Bible says we are made of Gods image. Because we literally are. We are individualized spirit/energy. Energy that has form.

Now we know the universe is orderly right? It has taken our smartest people to figure out but a few laws of the universe. You and I are smarter than animals and then their are plants and bugs and viruses etc. And at the top, even beyond us humans, is God if we follow that train of thought.

[GaGirls]

So that is why the Bible says first was the word and word was God; it is because everything is God. And Jesus's teaching, the one that has to be revealed is: You are the father. Jesus's teaching was never that he was God. He was speaking for man-kind. No one can be God more than another anyway because everything is God.

[GaGirls]

These are all the short answers, if you want to go deeper, you'll have to find teachers and people that know the Bible is a book of science. People who don't teach the outer meaning but instead the inner meaning of the Bible. Either way you now know God exist and that God is energy. You also know that God is immoral now. I really think a better name for God is Law. Lord means the law in bible most of the time. That is what God is. He is this huge law and humans only know parts of the law. Law of gravity, law of cause and effect, law of relativity, law of polarity, law of vibration etc you know the laws

[FunkyMonkee]

@GaGirls I'm finding that math IS a load of shit!! Part of what I do is adding things in various forms but, when I DO this, I get different results in almost every case!! If math is so constant and reliable, why am I get different answers each time I add the same numbers? I'll add a big stack of numbers in sets of 10 (for instance) and, when I'm done adding up all those sets of 10, I'll do a grand total and that SHOULD be the final number, right? BUT, if I go and add up all the exact same numbers in the same order but in stacks of 15 or 20 and then add up each of those grand totals, the totals are different from the first total I got! It happens time and time again!! Therefore, math doesn't work!
Anyway, what you're on about has NOTHING to do with teachings! You say there's a god. Where is it? Why does it allow so much pain and hatred to exist? It is, supposedly, omnipotent, therefore, it can do ANYTHING it wants!! So, why can't it rid existence of disease and hatred?
Oh! NOW you'll only answer certain questions! Can't answer the rest, hunh?
GAG won't let me read the rest of that comment. God should come down and fix GAG so I won't have that problem anymore!

[FunkyMonkee]

@GaGirls Q: Why does god allow people to hurt and kill each other?
A: God is immoral; humans are individualized anyway.

Response: if god is immoral, why praise it or even believe in it? If god exists, and is all knowing and all powerful, why can't it fix the way humans are to KEEP THEM from being that way? You're Henry Ford, you've just built the first car but, even though it works very well, it still has a few flaws. Do you just leave the flaws in or try to get rid of them making the car even better?

Q: Gods greater plan?
A: Doesn't exist. God's only provable objective is expansion and fuller expression aka growth or evolution I guess you could call it but I wouldn't call it that. Might be a better word for it somewhere in the dictionary. The bible teaches this. They may call it the law of spirit or something err I don't know.

R: I KNOW it doesn't exist!! THAT'S what I've been saying all along!!

[FunkyMonkee]

@GaGirls Q:Why worship (give thanks) to something you can't see?
A: Like I said early, you can see God and we will get into that in a moment
But you give thanks due to the law of cause and effect. Or what the Bible calls sowing and reaping. In the past few months, I've won a playstation, a smart watch, money using this law.

R: I'm SURE god went to the store and bought you all those things!

Q: Does God exist?
A: Yes, but we have to be careful not to give God our image. We were made in Gods image not the other way around. So this is what the Bible teaches. First was the word

R: You contradict yourself! A few moments ago, you said it DOESN'T exist! NOW, you say it does!!
God doesn't exist! It CAN'T make us in its image because it doesn't HAVE ONE!! Therefore, as WE invented god, WE HAVE to give it an image and one the that suits us is best our own! Besides, you're contradicting yourself, again!! How is it possible for us to be in gods image, but he's not in ours? IT'S THE EXACT SAME THING! You CAN'T have one without the other!
GAG won't let me see what else you wrote.

[FunkyMonkee]

Alright you and GAG have wasted enough of my time.
Bottom line, there's no such thing as god1

[GaGirls]

Okay you must be troll or you're not understanding what I am typing. God is energy. God is immoral. God is The Law and the Law is God. God will not break from the Law to serve anything or anyone. Law meaning Gods modus operandi. Only once has that happened and it is called the Big Bang. You already know everything is from energy and that everything you see is energy given form. Law of Conservation of Energy. This is my last message. I don't think you can see clearly because you want so bad for God to be made up. But really what you should want is traditional religion to be wrong. I've given you science and I've showed you what the Bible is saying through the lens of science because they are one in the same thing. If you're looking to disprove a loving daddy in the sky, you will do great but you can't disprove anything I've said because it is all backed up by science and evidence all down through-out history. But regardless of that, I am glad you at least aren't religious anymore. And for the record, I didn't buy those things. I simply used the law of cause and effect and the law of vibration "Draw nigh unto God and he will draw nigh unto you" But like I said you have to experience it, to believe it.

[FunkyMonkee]

@GaGirls Whatever kid.

[Heartache0405]

Maybe there are just no words to truly describe something like God.

[Heartache0405]

Whoops, meant this to be a reply to Jahiams 😅

[JohnK123]

Already do

and for those who don’t Immanuel Kant one of the greatest philosophers of ALL time said there is a God because there is one you can’t deny it with any facts

[Anonymous]

atheist don't want GOD

they can go die in a ditch
their lives have no value

[TheSpaceGnome]

God isn't real, so never I suppose.

[SupremeWarlord]

When I suffer a brain tumor.

[Anonymous]

Already do.

[Belgie]

Probably never.

[Anonymous]

some in life

others in death