Does The Antichrist have a choice?

[Twalli]

Isn't (s) he born evil? Is anything they do something that they chose, or is it all because they're ordained to do so by a higher power?

[Kaneki05]

That's the oxymoron of god right there. Freedom if choice... yet pre-determined future because god's will comes true... though clearly not since adam wasn't supposed to take the apple but then god knows everything and should've seen it coming...

About as reliable "Just going to get milk" line.

[sean1234]

Everyone has Freewill. You are not God, dont try to understand his ways from your tiny perspective, not like any of us can understand. There are prophesies all over the bible about the future. And he always knows whats coming, he told Adam and Even to NOT eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It was a rule, the only rule. Oh and the bible doesn't say it was a apple or specify really.

[Kaneki05]

It's a pointless rule if god knew they were going to anyway. god knows everything and has designed everything to go the way he wants right?

[sean1234]

Wrong, people have free will, you can answer me here or not, no one is forcing you.

[Kaneki05]

@sean1234 Great so you agree god is not all knowing as I could do anything and he wouldn't know what I would do because I can freely change my mind whenever right?

Note: Guessing what one may do is not the same as knowing so if you agree he just guesses what I may do then he's not all knowing, knowing means being certain not uncertainty.

[sean1234]

This is why I say, "You are not God, dont try to understand his ways from your tiny perspective,..."

Otherwise, its simple , God knows all, yet, WE have free will.

Foreknowledge ≠ Predestination
God’s omniscience means He knows all possible choices and outcomes, but this doesn’t mean He causes them (Isaiah 46:10; Acts 2:23). Think of it like a parent who knows their child’s tendencies but still allows them to choose.

[sean1234]

Acts 22:23

[Kaneki05]

@sean1234 Funny a human thinks saying you are human means you can't understand it apparently don't understand a mirror either, that point goes nowhere other than you admitting you don't know yourself which then why you even arguing?

100% Foreknowledge = Predestination that's the whole point. All-knowing means he knows the choices before and after, events and actions one will take, as soon as one say's otherwise one is no longer all-knowing.

Parents don't at all know their child's acts until it happens, again they can guess but not know. And when a child chooses the parent hopes they will pick the right choice because they didn't know.
Again difference between knowing and guessing.

So tell me, in this scenario what happened?
'god tells you not to eat the apple but satan as a snake is going to appear to you and tell you to do so then you decide the snake is right time to take the forbidden fruit.'
Did god not know that satan was there?
Did god not know that you would be convinced?
Or did god know the above and let it happen anyway?
Or did god know the above but hoped you wouldn't of been convinced as no he didn't know how you would of responded because he don't know everything?

Only one answer here leads to he is all knowing but then everything happens by predestination so...

[sean1234]

Are you trying to say that God was supposed to stop Adam and Eve from eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil if he knew they were going to do it?

Well, heck, he could have simply not allowed for the snake/Satan to not be in that area, but then again... free will and also ironically, God made MANY predictions/prophecies of the future and God is NOT a liar. All prophecies MUST HAPPEN!!!

[sean1234]

Lollol and from before it was Acts 2:23, can't believe I didn't see that

[Kaneki05]

@sean1234 You just proved my point, if all prophecies must happen that's not your free will.
That's a predetermined event. And I didn't even have to bring that up to prove my point but thanks for doing so.

Well god don't have to stop it but he knew about it and let it happen, and he would've known about it happening beforehand so he made it happen.
Unless you agree he didn't know that this was going to happen lol

[sean1234]

That's why I yet again say WE can't know the workings of God, as it says, Isaiah 55:8-9 (KJV):

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."

We have free will to do what we want, yet God knows what will happen... just go with it.

You can choose to follow God's laws, to read his Bible or not. You have free will to choose to make it to heaven or not. It's your choice.

[Kaneki05]

@sean1234 You know your just repeating yourself without actually making any real argument that disprove my point?

And like I said you need a mirror, maybe you didn't even understand my point which I wouldn't be surprised by.
If you say "WE can't know the workings of god" then that goes for you too yet your here arguing that apparently you do. If you agree with your own statement you shouldn't be arguing with me because you don't know yourself lol

Lucky I don't agree with that statement so I can say what I want unlike you.

[shortster]

Yes. Knowing someone fully you can predict the choices they will make. Knowing the universe perfectly you know the choices everyone will face. So an omnicesent entity can easily predict the future perfectly. Being able to do so doesn't take away from our free will; it just a level of understanding that surpasses our comprehension.

[sean1234]

Everyone is born normal, they later become evil, if that happens. We have free will to do what we want, obey God or not obey God... to read the bible as it says or read it through the traditions of man.

[NicholasRedone]

@Twalli some controversial Christian texts claim it'll be a Peter lol 😂😆 it ain't me gladly lol ; and who knows man

[beefcakebradybatson]

So you're admitting Trump is the Antichrist?

[Twalli]

Trump is an idiot. The Antichrist probably isn't.

[beefcakebradybatson]

I agree there, Twali.

[msc545]

He is not evil - he is just tired of fast food and traffic jams and people like Trump.