What does the Quran say about Jesus?

[AlperHan]

I feel sorry for those who attack others based on their ethnicity or beliefs. To be honest, this stems from a damaged mindset. Those who insult religions they know nothing about are individuals seeking social validation and are susceptible to manipulation. Intelligent people, however, don't immediately accept information; they question, investigate, and don't ostracize anyone.

[capriVib]

This video is meaningless because you can't know whether God exists. God's existence isn't a matter of knowledge, it's a matter of faith. For example, whether a Christian believes Jesus is God or a Muslim rejects that belief can't be measured as objective certainty.

If you dig deep enough into either religion, you can find logical inconsistencies. For instance, if God is all-powerful and already knows our future and destiny, why would He still put us through a test? You can't explain every aspect of religion through logic alone.

This isn't a question of knowledge; it's entirely about what people choose to believe.

[AlperHan]

You're right that faith plays a major role. But saying it's entirely about belief overlooks something important. Every worldview, including atheism, Christianity, and Islam, makes truth claims that can be examined through history, philosophy, textual preservation, and internal consistency.
Faith doesn't mean believing without reasons. It means trusting what you conclude after examining the evidence. If everything were reduced to "just personal belief," then no worldview could ever be more reasonable than another.
Logic alone may not answer every theological question, but it certainly helps distinguish coherent claims from contradictory ones. That's why people continue to study, debate, and investigate religion instead of treating every belief as equally true.

[strateguy632]

that jesus was the messia and a prophet. but they ignore what jesus said about himself. like saying 'my truth is trump is a democrat'.

[AlperHan]

Have you researched this enough? One person's opinion doesn't change what's written in the Quran; the Quran describes Jesus and Moses.

[strateguy632]

1. research enough? you tell me if your quran said 'jesus said i and the father are one. "
2. i know that muslims falsely accuse catholics of having three gods. first fix that.
3. if you claim 'the original quran said 'do not do jihad war' and someone changed the text, then fix the text.

[AlperHan]

You are mixing three different arguments into one.
1. The phrase "I and the Father are one" is from the New Testament, not the Quran. My question was about what the Quran says about Jesus, so quoting from the Bible doesn't answer the question.
2. Most Muslims don't believe that Christians literally worship three separate gods. The disagreement concerns the doctrine of the Trinity. Muslims revere Jesus as the Messiah and prophet, and while we may not agree with the belief that Jesus is God or the Son of God, we do accept that Christians worship one God. We can offer advice based on our beliefs, but faith cannot be imposed on anyone. And if a Muslim hates Jesus, they are not considered Muslim because they would be harboring hostility towards the Prophet of Allah.

3. The Quran has only one preserved text. If you claim otherwise, the burden of proof rests with the person making that claim, just as I am expected to provide evidence for my own claim. Let's discuss one topic at a time. Mixing irrelevant arguments won't bring us closer to the truth.

[strateguy632]

precisely my point you @alperhan said "question was about what the Quran says about Jesus, so quoting from the Bible doesn't answer the question." as i said QURAN 'ignored what jesus said about himself. like saying 'my truth is: trump is a democrat'

[Masie]

I have no idea. Nor will I ever know. I don't have any specific reason to read that book. It is not my religion. I grew up in a Christian household that attended a Baptist church.

I don't believe the state in the US that I live in likely contains one of those books given the overwhelming Christian beliefs by the huge majority of the population here.

[AlperHan]

I respect your beliefs, but Jesus and Muhammad are like two different lights coming from the same lamp. I'm not forcing you to do your research.

[Masie]

Nor did I expect you to force me to do anything. I simply answered the question. I have no disrespect for those that follow other religions.

[AlperHan]

I just want to inform you... Have you researched who Paulos was, or are you just believing what they want you to believe? Paulos roamed the streets like a bandit, raiding houses and torturing or executing those who deviated from Judaism, that is, those who believed in Jesus Christ, men or women alike. I did a lot of research; you can too. Before this, I was an atheist, then I researched all religions, and I became a Muslim.

[Masie]

I have not researched that. I believe in the religion I grew up with. I already said I have no disrespect for those that follow. other religions. Do not disrespect me for mine please.

[AlperHan]

No, I would never do such a thing. I respect respectful people, regardless of their beliefs. I only meant that it's always good to research and learn from different perspectives instead of relying on just one source. My intention was not to offend you or disrespect your beliefs. Before becoming a Muslim, I questioned and studied different religions. I believe God gave humans the ability to think, question, and seek the truth. I think questioning doesn't weaken faith, but rather makes it more meaningful. I apologize if I was misunderstood. Take care and have a good day.

[choco-latte]

They don’t believe that he is God nor the son of God but they believe he is one of the most important prophets and he is highly respected in Islam. They believe that he was born to a virgin mother and never committed any sin, also that he will come to defeat the Antichrist and rule the world at the end of times.

[AlperHan]

To be honest, I'm surprised, where did you learn all this?🙂
Yes, you're right about most of these points. In Islam, Jesus is revered not as God or the son of God, but as one of the greatest prophets. Prophet Muhammad became a prophet after Jesus. Muslims believe that he was born by a miracle, lived a sinless life, and will return near the time of the apocalypse, as it is written in the Quran. According to the Quran, he will defeat the Antichrist and establish justice.
It's interesting that despite different beliefs, there are many points that people know and discuss between religions."

[choco-latte]

I read a little bit about the way Jesus is portrayed in Islam

[AlperHan]

I wish you success. I know that God commands people to question, seek knowledge, and find the truth.
Besides this, there are things that have led me to think deeply about the Quran. For example, the Quran says:
"The heavens and the earth did not weep for them, nor were they given respite." (Quran 44:29)
Some researchers have pointed out similarities between this statement and ancient Egyptian mourning texts; in these texts, the mourning of the heavens and the earth for a deceased king or holy figure appears as a theme.
What I find interesting is that these ancient Egyptian texts were written in hieroglyphs, and their meanings were not understood by the wider world until modern times, after the decipherment of ancient Egyptian writing. Because even in the 20th century, hieroglyphic texts were not understood, and the Quran was not understood when it was revealed, so how could a book know? This made me think.
For me, this is one of the things that encouraged me to think about the Quran and its origins.
I think sincere inquiry and learning are important.

[Zack-Bann]

The Quran is a very interesting book.
The philosophy in it is astounding.
“Hate nothing for it might turn out a blessing”
That line a lot deeper than one might think


But a holy book it most certainly is not.
Just because words were written about God’s only son doesn’t mean that all of a sudden what came before is suddenly a lie.


When the basis of an abrahamic religion goes against the root of that religion then it’s just a reinterpretation used to create a cult

[WhitneySnow]

This is 100% true. Muslims do not believe Jesus is the Son of God the way Christians do, but they do believe he was one of the prophets.

[AlperHan]

Yes, Muslims love Jesus. People who don't believe in Jesus and Moses cannot be Muslims because it's a requirement of Islam. To be a Muslim, one must accept the prophets. Prophet Muhammad said that Jesus will return on the Day of Judgment, sent by God.

[Effably]

In a nutshell? That Jesus was A son of God but not The son of God.

So he's a holy figure but he's Abrahmistic belief v2.0 whereas Muhammad is Abrahmistic belief v3.0 and therefore the more accurate one, if you believe in Islam.

[AlperHan]

From a philosophical perspective, God, by definition, is the necessary and self-sufficient being. A being that depends on sleep, food, reproduction, or any external need is contingent, not absolute. The Creator must be uncreated, independent, and the source of all existence, not dependent on it. If God's power relied on fulfilling needs, it would no longer be absolute. That is why divine perfection and self-sufficiency are inseparable concepts.

[Effably]

Is this your roundabout way of arguing that Jesus was not God's direct son or part of the trinity because he had human limitations? Albeit we never have the bible narrate him defecating.

Sure. Possible. It is equally reasonable to assume that a divinity trying to lead by example would subject themselves to similar limitations which on its own would invalidate your whole argument. Arguing capability is therefore rather pointless. Jesus himself inadvertantly claims he can reshape the world itself with a thought. Choosing to do so or not is a different topic.

I do not really believe in either version. Divine perfection is a logical impossibility. But that I assume is part of the charm.

[AlperHan]

Logic and belief are not the same thing. A belief can be accepted even when its logic is debated, but defending a claim philosophically requires internal consistency.
The question isn't whether someone is free to believe Jesus is God. They are. The question is whether that belief remains logically coherent. If God is the absolute, necessary, self-sufficient being, then attributing human dependency, limitation, or change to Him creates a philosophical contradiction. You may still choose to believe it, but belief alone does not resolve the contradiction.
Disbelief is not simply the absence of belief. It is the belief that the claim has not been established or should be rejected.

[Effably]

But like I said, again. The story is that Jesus descends to be human. A more perfect being can logically still impose imperfection on themselves.

Which is why your argument does not hold or carry any Logical meaning.

[loveslongnails]

That's the most convoluted justification of something you can't sufficiently explain, that I've ever heard. LOL There's no "definition" of any kind in that. It's the exact same thing as saying " God just is, always was, and forever shall be", because you can't answer the question " Where did God come from" or "Who created God". So instead, you start with the above as a THE premise every living thing being MUST accept, and off we go into a myriad of stories, faiths, religions and what have you.

In other words, the God question is NOT like Sherlock Holmes saying "…when you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.. WHY?

Because you have you no IDEA what's impossible, or possible. You don't know what you don't know, so you supplant it with FAITH and call it FACT, far more often than leaving it at faith only.

[Effably]

Geesh. I was being nice to him by not just calling the premise wrong but highlighting how even if we accept it, it is still faulty.

Did you have to do him like that? He's learning to argue.

[loveslongnails]

Sorry lol but if you're going to step in the ring, you're going to get hit. LOL

[loveslongnails]

Oh boy. This is where your thought process collapses on itself.
" A belief can be accepted even when its logic is debated" Accepted by whom? Based on what?
You tell me you believe there's an elephant in your closet, but whenever you open the door, it disappears. Any logic to that belief? None. Any debate to be had? None. So WHO accepts that belief? Ah... the Religion of Disappearing Closet Elephants?

Your graduate degree in sophistry is getting you nowhere. You'll end up back at the question " If God is omnipotent, can He create a rock He can't lift?" The contemplation of this is a waste of time, as are many of these "arguments" you present, sir. Every one of them is based on your "belief" and the inability of others to DISPROVE what you yourself can not PROVE.

That... is very simple logic.

[Dargil]

It does not matter. Islam is a dark, violent, religious cult. It needs reform like Christianity and Judaism got centuries ago. Islam is incompatible with western civilization and culture. This is not hate or racism. It is reality.

[AlperHan]

No, Islam has been vilified and subjected to negative propaganda for years. The Islam you were taught is not true Islam. Organizations like ISIS were deliberately created to turn people away from Islam.

[AlperHan]

If Islam weren't the true religion, all the evil people and systems in the world wouldn't hate it.

[Dargil]

You are entitled to your opinion, right or wrong.

[Dargil]

I will not repeat myself.

[Dargil]

Who created them? Donald Trump? Franklin Graham? Pole John Paul?

[Dargil]

Pope

[SixFootSexy]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/5QEHL32CXe4

Well, it says quite a lot that is contradictory.

[AlperHan]

Reason can be a lantern that reveals the truth, or a flame that blinds the one holding it. The difference lies in humility. Truth isn't found by attacking every idea or accepting every claim, but by examining them honestly before reaching a conclusion.
I haven't watched the video myself. There are plenty of videos that mock both Christians and Muslims, and I avoid them because I don't believe any religion deserves to be ridiculed. I'd rather understand a belief from its authentic sources than from someone's attempt to mock it.

[SixFootSexy]

Yes, look into the authentic sources that show how self-contradictory Islam is.

[AlperHan]

Try to acquire knowledge without hating any belief.

[AlperHan]

Do you think God needs children? Or could a human be God? And what do you say about the Jews slaughtering even the animals of their enemies? Islam commands goodness.

[AlperHan]

You've been manipulated because you haven't fully read and tried to understand Islam. Islam is not a contradictory religion; if you approach a viewpoint with hostility, you will perceive it as bad.

[SixFootSexy]

This is analogous to people who say communism doesn't work because it "hasn't been tried properly." When each time results in millions of deaths.

I do not want to live in a community where Shari`ah law is standard and a call to prayer 5 times a day, women are raped, and religious dissenters are beheaded by fundamentalist zealots. (zealots = obeying the Quran to the letter.)

[AlperHan]

I have read both the Bible and the Torah, and I don't insult them. Why do you insult Islam instead of studying it? Many of the things you mentioned are not what Islam teaches. I think you've been given a distorted image of Islam. I am not trying to make you a Muslim. I'm simply encouraging you to seek the truth from authentic sources rather than from propaganda or extremist groups.
If your understanding of Islam comes from ISIS, or from governments that claim to represent Islam, then you've learned about extremists, not Islam itself. Extremists do not define a religion any more than the Crusades define Christianity.
Are there Christians who perfectly live according to everything Jesus taught? Of course not. That doesn't mean Christianity is responsible for every action committed by someone who calls themselves Christian. The same principle should be applied to Muslims.
There are Muslims from Korea, China, the United States, Israel, Japan, France, Italy, Spain, Indonesia, Turkey, and many other countries. Some are good people, some are bad. Good and evil are found among human beings, not within an ethnicity or nationality. I cannot judge an entire religion by the crimes of some of its followers, just as I would not judge Christianity that way.
The Quran teaches justice, honesty, responsibility, and protecting the innocent. It permits fighting only under specific circumstances, such as self defense against aggression. It does not command Muslims to randomly kill people because they follow a different religion.
So I encourage you to separate the actions of extremists from the teachings of Islam. If you judge God by the crimes of people who disobey Him, then you're judging people, not God.

[AlperHan]

My English might not be good enough. Don't worry if there are any incorrect sentences.

[SixFootSexy]

I think the zealots of any religion are trying to be the true believers. Jesus spent the majority of his criticisms on the religious Sanhedrin who claimed they were following the Torah perfectly.
"You brood of snakes! How could evil men like you speak what is good and right? For whatever is in your heart determines what you say."

[AlperHan]

Truth isn't determined by the loudest extremists. It's determined by the source itself. Judge Islam by the Quran, Christianity by the Gospel, and people by their actions. Mixing those three only creates prejudice, not understanding.

[AlperHan]

i actually agree with you on that point. every religion has people who sincerely believe they're following god while misunderstanding or abusing his message. jesus criticized hypocrisy more than ordinary sinners.
my point is simply this: if we don't judge Christianity by its worst followers, we shouldn't judge Islam by its worst followers either. The only fair standard is to examine each religion through its authentic teachings before judging it. That's all I'm encouraging.

[DirtyOldMan777]

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[fishbone77]

you posted a video of an AI debate? WTF?