Search Results: why do nice guys finish last

In my experience on this site, guys seem to post the overwhelming majority of gender-issues related posts. And I know it bugs the crap out of half the people on this site.

What is your opinion on some of it? (Poll Below)

Personally, I get sick of hearing posts about "nice guys finish last". Or worse, the use of "alpha male".

But others may bring up good points, but it seems like guys can't really discuss it, because it is labeled as whining pretty quickly. These are things like "Why don't girls have to ask guys out?" "Why don't girls have to pay?" In most of these cases, a girl transcending her gender role is 'stepping up to the plate' and is admired because she is doing more than expected. But a guy trying to bring up his grievances about these roles is, 'lazy', 'cheap', 'not a true gentleman', 'not a real man', etc. So it makes it hard to bring this stuff up without it quickly being reduced to whining.

On the one hand women are saying the reason nice guys finish last is because they only going for super hot girls, and bad bitches and ignoring the nice girl.

On the otherhand men are saying that nice guys are not in demand and even the nice girls they go after throw them to the side and go after bad boys. These girls then get used by man whores (bad boys) and become either sluts or bitches. Some guys also insinuate that women only want to date nice men when it is time to settle down and start a family but don't want anything to do with them when they were younger and hotter.


Observation from this question: https://www.girlsaskguys.com/dating/q1833575-why-everyone-complain-about-nice-guys-syndrome-forget-about-nice

So the question is which oppinion is more grounded in reality: Women's view that nice guys all chase super hot girls, attractive girls and ignore the nice girl or men's views that women don't give a shit about nice guys until it's time to settle down?